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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Gating APRS messages for any local stations to RF
From: g4ilo
1b. Re: Gating APRS messages for any local stations to RF
From: Keith VE7GDH
2a. Why am I shown as a yacht?
From: g4ilo
2b. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
From: Jan, LA2BBA
2c. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
From: Stephen H. Smith
2d. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
From: g4ilo
2e. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
From: Keith VE7GDH
2f. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
From: Brad Allen
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1a. Re: Gating APRS messages for any local stations to RF
Posted by: "g4ilo" julian.g4ilo(AT)gmail.com g4ilo
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:25 am ((PDT))
--- In ui-view(AT)yahoogroups.com, "Keith VE7GDH" <ve7gdh(AT)...> wrote:
> > If G4ILO-7 hadn't beaconed recently, it wouldn't be on your station
> > list. The "expire time" is set in SETUP - MISCELLANEOUS...
Expire time is set to 60 mins which I think is the default. I'm beaconing more often than that.
> > G4ILO-7 = RECIP would force your IGate to gate messages even if
> > it wasn't on your station list and even if it wasn't considered "local".
> > To be considered "local" it would have to actually beacon and be
> > heard either direct or via digis equal or less than your "max digis"
> > setting in IGATE.INI.
It is beaconing and being heard, and the message appears in "Traffic gated from RF to Internet" in the IGATE Traffic window. That window is the only place I've found where a list of "Local stns" is displayed, and NOTHING has ever appeared in there. So that's probably why I need the G4ILO-7 = RECIP but why it isn't registering as a local station anyway is beyond me.
> > If you want to run tests, you could send a message to another station
> > and see if you receive an ACK... e.g. to VE7GDH which is running all of
> > the time as it is an IGate. VE7GDH-10 is on most of the time. From the
> > VX-8E, your message would have to make it to an IGate. To get an ACK
> > or a reply, the IGate would have to consider G4ILO-7 to be a "local"
> > station, or be set as you had it... G4ILO-7 = RECIP.
That is what has been happening in the exchange of messages we have just had. But if I remove the G4ILO-7 = RECIP I will not receive your ACKs nor any of your messages, they will stop dead when they reach my IGATE.
The crux of the issue would seem to be, why isn't G4ILO-7 being treated as a local station?
Julian, G4ILO
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1b. Re: Gating APRS messages for any local stations to RF
Posted by: "Keith VE7GDH" ve7gdh(AT)yahoo.com ve7gdh
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 2:25 pm ((PDT))
Julian G4ILO wrote...
> > Expire time is set to 60 mins which I think is the default. I'm
> > beaconing more often than that.
If G4ILO-7 beaconed in the previous 60 minutes, it should show up in
your station list, and of course on the map as well.
> > It is beaconing and being heard, and the message appears in "Traffic
> > gated from RF to Internet" in the IGATE Traffic window. That window is
> > the only place I've found where a list of "Local stns" is displayed,
> > and NOTHING has ever appeared in there. So that's probably why I need
> > the G4ILO-7 = RECIP but why it isn't registering as a local station
> > anyway is beyond me.
The IGate Traffic window should list local stations. Also, under LISTS
you could see if G4ILO-7 shows up under DIRECT. It should assuming it
wasn't heard via a digi, and I take it there is a lack of them in your
vicinity.
> > That is what has been happening in the exchange of messages we have
> > just had. But if I remove the G4ILO-7 = RECIP I will not receive your
> > ACKs nor any of your messages, they will stop dead when they reach my
> > IGATE.
> >
> > The crux of the issue would seem to be, why isn't G4ILO-7 being
> > treated as a local station?
Take a look at IGATE.INI. What do you have "max digis for local" set
for?
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
--
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"
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2a. Why am I shown as a yacht?
Posted by: "g4ilo" julian.g4ilo(AT)gmail.com g4ilo
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:40 am ((PDT))
Why does UI-View show G4ILO-7 as a yacht? In the VX-8 manual (and several online pages) it suggests -7 is the SSID for a Kenwood or Yaesu handheld. A yacht would be -6 I think.
Today I say some Raynet activity in Lancashire and their positions were shown with the icon of a man. How did they manage that?
Julian, G4ILO
www.g4ilo.com
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2b. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
Posted by: "Jan, LA2BBA" la2bba(AT)nrrl.no jan_t_p
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:00 am ((PDT))
"g4ilo" <julian.g4ilo(AT)gmail.com>, Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:35:43 -0000
> >Why does UI-View show G4ILO-7 as a yacht? In the VX-8 manual (and several online pages) it
> >suggests -7 is the SSID for a Kenwood or Yaesu handheld. A yacht would be -6 I think.
You have probably (unknowingly?) selected the yacht symbol
designators; they are a character (/ or \) after the N/S and a
character (from a long range; a Yacht is Y) after the E/W in the
position. They don't show in the micE packet.
The symbols are shown without any connection to your SSID.
As far as I could see at aprs.fi just now, your -7 station didn't look
like a yacht.
-- 73 de Jan, LA2BBA Hvaler, Norway Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 2c. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht? Posted by: "Stephen H. Smith" wa8lmf(AT)aol.com edacs450 Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 10:35 am ((PDT)) g4ilo wrote:
> > Why does UI-View show G4ILO-7 as a yacht? In the VX-8 manual (and several online pages) it suggests -7 is the SSID for a Kenwood or Yaesu handheld. A yacht would be -6 I think.
> >
> > Today I say some Raynet activity in Lancashire and their positions were shown with the icon of a man. How did they manage that?
> >
> > Julian, G4ILO
> > www.g4ilo.com
> >
> >
The control of symbol display by varying the SSID of a callsign is
ancient history on APRS and dates back to the time 10-15 years ago
before there was APRS-specific hardware and software. (I.e. we were
just stuffing the serial data stream from a NMEA GPS device into the
serial port of a generic packet TNC.)
Today, symbol display is determined by a pair of alpha-numeric symbols
inserted between the lat and long values in the position string, See
this page on my website:
APRS Symbols And How They Work
<http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/APRS_symbols.htm>
Note that a lot of APRS is "kludges" developed in the early '90s to get
around the limitations of standard connected AX.25 packet, before
APRS-specific hardware-firmware -software was developed.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
EchoLink Node: WA8LMF or 14400 [Think bottom of the 2M band]
Skype: WA8LMF
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.net
NEW! HF APRS Notes & Guide
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/HF_APRS_Notes.htm
"APRS 101" Explanation of APRS Path Selection & Digipeating
http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths
Updated "Rev H" APRS http://wa8lmf.net/aprs
Symbols Set for UI-View,
UIpoint and APRSplus:
Messages in this topic (6)
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2d. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
Posted by: "g4ilo" julian.g4ilo(AT)gmail.com g4ilo
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 2:05 pm ((PDT))
--- In ui-view(AT)yahoogroups.com, "Jan, LA2BBA" <la2bba(AT)...> wrote:
> > As far as I could see at aprs.fi just now, your -7 station didn't look
> > like a yacht.
It does on my local UI-View maps, though.
Julian, G4ILO
Messages in this topic (6)
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2e. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
Posted by: "Keith VE7GDH" ve7gdh(AT)yahoo.com ve7gdh
Date: Sat Sep 5, 2009 2:35 pm ((PDT))
Julian G4ILO wrote...
> > It does on my local UI-View maps, though.
Just change the symbol in the VX-8E. The symbol for a yacht is /Y.
The "/" is the primary table and "Y" is a yacht, or sailboat. The
"human" symbol if that's what you are looking for is /[.
As Stephen pointed out, SSIDs haven't been used to select the symbol
for many years now. There is an updated symbol set on Stephen's site...
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/APRS_symbols.htm
http://wa8lmf.net/miscinfo/UIview-MySymbols-RevH.zip
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
--
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2f. Re: Why am I shown as a yacht?
Posted by: "Brad Allen" ballen(AT)frontiernet.net brad50_14624
Date: Sun Sep 6, 2009 5:17 am ((PDT))
The SSID no longer has much of a meaning and certainly has nothing to do
with the ICON displayed. I know in the Kenwood radios, there is a menu item
that allows you to change the ICON. If you do not find the one you want
there is a list usually in the manual that has characters one can place in
that location. My Kenwood 700, V71, D7, 710 all work this way. Brad KB2CHY
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From: ui-view(AT)yahoogroups.com [mailto:ui-view(AT)yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Stephen H. Smith
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:35 PM
To: ui-view(AT)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ui-view] Why am I shown as a yacht?
g4ilo wrote:
> > Why does UI-View show G4ILO-7 as a yacht? In the VX-8 manual (and several
online pages) it suggests -7 is the SSID for a Kenwood or Yaesu handheld. A
yacht would be -6 I think.
> >
> > Today I say some Raynet activity in Lancashire and their positions were
shown with the icon of a man. How did they manage that?
> >
> > Julian, G4ILO
> > www.g4ilo.com
> >
> >
The control of symbol display by varying the SSID of a callsign is
ancient history on APRS and dates back to the time 10-15 years ago
before there was APRS-specific hardware and software. (I.e. we were
just stuffing the serial data stream from a NMEA GPS device into the
serial port of a generic packet TNC.)
Today, symbol display is determined by a pair of alpha-numeric symbols
inserted between the lat and long values in the position string, See
this page on my website:
APRS Symbols And How They Work
<http://wa8lmf. <http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/APRS_symbols.htm>
net/aprs/APRS_symbols.htm>
Note that a lot of APRS is "kludges" developed in the early '90s to get
around the limitations of standard connected AX.25 packet, before
APRS-specific hardware-firmware -software was developed.
----------------------------------------------------------
--
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
EchoLink Node: WA8LMF or 14400 [Think bottom of the 2M band]
Skype: WA8LMF
Home Page: http://wa8lmf. <http://wa8lmf.net> net
NEW! HF APRS Notes & Guide
http://wa8lmf. <http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/HF_APRS_Notes.htm>
net/aprs/HF_APRS_Notes.htm
"APRS 101" Explanation of APRS Path Selection & Digipeating
http://wa8lmf. <http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths> net/DigiPaths
Updated "Rev H" APRS http://wa8lmf. <http://wa8lmf.net/aprs> net/aprs
Symbols Set for UI-View,
UIpoint and APRSplus:
Messages in this topic (6)
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ABOVE IS A CROSS POST TO THE PACKET RADIO NETWORK IN AN EFFORT TO
PROMOTE FURTHER INTEREST IN THE UIVIEW PROGRAM, APRS AND PACKET RADIO
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