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G8MNY > TECH 30.01.13 16:22l 110 Lines 3923 Bytes #999 (0) @ WW
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Subj: VCR Triplexer to TV Input
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From: G8MNY@GB7CIP.#32.GBR.EU
To : TECH@WW
By G8MNY (Corrected Mar 06)
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LA6EAH asked for a circuit to feed 3 RF signals from VCR to a TV..
With the systems options below if there is an external aerial, then 2 clear RF
channels are needed per modulator, as they are normal AM not VSB. Also check on
digital TV signals as these often appear as just high noise on your VCR
channel!
If you can check on a spectrum analyser, you will clearly see how good or poor
the setup is...
Strong
10 mV´Car Sound Sound .³. Sound
3 mv´ ³. FM ³ .³. ³
1 mV´ ³. ³ Nicam Weak Signal Unwanted ³ .³. Col³ Unwanted
0.3mV´ ³. Col³º _______ Sound ³/\.. ³ ../\³ Sound
0.1mV´.³ ../\³º ³ COFDM ³ 2x ³ ³ ³ 2x
30uV´ ³ ³º ------³ ³------ | Unwanted³ ³ |
10uV³ ³ ³º ³2nd ord -20dB growth ³ | L S B ³ ³ |
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8MHz ch 1ch +2 dirty ch! 2 channels + products
NORMAL V.S.B. TV C.O.F.D.M. DIGITAL TV D.S.B. (AM) VCR OUTPUT
It is easy to put the wide VCR output over a wanted channel, or have a digital
channel under the chosen VCR channel seen as noise on the VCR output.
Also amplifying a digital signal before the Rx often leads to corruption of the
digital signal, as amplifiers have to be VERY LINEAR to handle the weak digital
signals in the presence of stronger analogue signals.
OPTION 1 The normal way
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿
AERIAL>Ä´ VCR1 ÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´ VCR2 ÃÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ´ VCR3 ÃÄÄÄ´ TV ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ Attenuate ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ Attenuate ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
3-6dB 3-6dB
Because most VCRs have 3-6dB RF gain in their aerial isolating amplifiers,
attenuators are often needed, so that the following VCRs are not overloaded
with the sometimes stronger modulator outputs. Some older VCRs have local-
distant switches to help improve their sensitivity & through linearity.
The attenuators can just be made up of the thin lossy leads you normally get
with the VCRs!
There are no losses in this system just RF amplifier problems.
OPTION 2 The abnormal way
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿
AERIAL>ÄÄ´ VCR1 ÃÄÄ´ ÃÄÄÄ´ TV ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ ³ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³COMBINER³
³ VCR2 ÃÄÄ´ ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ ³ ³
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ ³
³ VCR2 ÃÄÄ´ ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ
The combiner can be any of several types:-
using 2 x low loss (3.5dB ea) standard splitters, although matching is dubious!
3.5dB loss (o)________________________
_______ ³ )| FB
7dB loss (o) ³ )| FB 150 )ÄÄÄÄ(o)
150 )ÄÄÄÄÄ(o)(o)_³___)|
7dB Loss (o)___³___)|
or a dedicated 3 way resistive splitter eg 4x 39ê in a star network properly
matched to 75ê.
(o)-39Ä¿
(o)-39ÄÅÄ39-(o)
(o)-39ÄÙ ³
³_________³ Port to any port 10dB loss
or slightly less loss with a dedicated matching ferrite bead transformer.
(o)-47Ä¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ(o
(o)-47Ä´__)| 2t ³
(o)-47ÄÙ )| 1t ³ Port to common port loss 7.5dB (0.5dB in Xformer)
³_______³______³
OPTION 3 The switch way
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
AERIAL>ÄÄ´ VCR1 ÃÄÄ¿
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ ³
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ o ÚÄÄÄÄ¿
³ VCR2 ÃÄÄo<ÄÄÄ´ TV ³
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ o ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³
³ VCR2 ÃÄÄÙ
ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ
Good switches at UHF are rare! Most have 1-2dB insertion loss & only 20dB
isolation.
Why Don't U send an interesting bul?
73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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