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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: FSKID
From: Ric Shanahan
1b. Re: FSKID
From: ve3wej gmail
1c. Re: FSKID
From: ve3wej gmail
1d. Re: FSKID
From: ve3wej gmail
1e. Re: FSKID
From: George Henry
1f. Re: FSKID
From: George Henry
1g. Re: FSKID
From: jdow
1h. Re: FSKID
From: w6ids
1i. Re: FSKID
From: Bob
1j. Re: FSKID
From: Robert E. Perry
1k. Re: FSKID
From: Simon Brown
2. Fskid
From: Larry Wright
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1a. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "Ric Shanahan" Ric_Shanahan@yahoo.com ric_shanahan
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:40 am ((PST))
Hi. I stand corrected on FSK ID as it pertains to
legal ID methods. My bad. Thanks George.
Ric, N1YLE
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1b. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "ve3wej gmail" ve3wej@gmail.com ve3wej
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:55 am ((PST))
fskid should be a must, yes optional before or after, the option should
never have been given, and the other software creators should add this to
their next revision
VE3WEJ
Dave Garber
10-X # 23465
echolink # 52852
irlp node 2202
email ve3wej@rac.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Brown" <simon.brown@kns.ch>
To: <MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: [MM-SSTV] FSKID
> > As all MMSSTV users will know, MMSSTV can optionally send a FSK ID after
> > the picture is sent.
> >
> > I'm adding this feature to my own software, I think it would make sense to
> > optionally send this at the very beginning as well (before any VIS code)
> > as the receiving station will then see the callsign and have the QRZ.com
> > lookup made while the picture is still being received.
> >
> > The FSKID could even be sent at the start and end.
> >
> > Comments anyone?
> >
> > Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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1c. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "ve3wej gmail" ve3wej@gmail.com ve3wej
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:55 am ((PST))
no sstv on 60 is there???
VE3WEJ
Dave Garber
10-X # 23465
echolink # 52852
irlp node 2202
email ve3wej@rac.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@earthlink.net>
To: <MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MM-SSTV] FSKID
> > One minor correction... on 60 meters, where only USB phone is authorized,
> > obviously, you must ID in phone.
> >
> > 73,
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1d. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "ve3wej gmail" ve3wej@gmail.com ve3wej
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 11:55 am ((PST))
but non sstv users can not decode the fskid, does that mean you did not
id...
ask John wb0lcc about all the hastle he is getting about id-ing... must be
why he sends cw before and after as well as fskid
VE3WEJ
Dave Garber
10-X # 23465
echolink # 52852
irlp node 2202
email ve3wej@rac.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ric Shanahan" <Ric_Shanahan@yahoo.com>
To: <MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MM-SSTV] FSKID
> > Hi. The "Rules" say that you must ID every ten minutes
> > and at the end of a QSO. Having the FSKID at the end
> > of the TX meets the requirement.
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1e. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "George Henry" ka3hsw@earthlink.net ka3hsw
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 1:34 pm ((PST))
No. We are secondary to the government on 60, and their conditions on allowing us access to it are 1) USB phone only, and 2) 50 watts PEP maximum. I was correcting my statement that CW could be used to ID on any frequency. We cannot use CW on 60 to ID (or for any other purpose...)
73,
George, KA3HSW
-----Original Message-----
> >From: ve3wej gmail <ve3wej@gmail.com>
> >Sent: Feb 1, 2008 1:51 PM
> >To: MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [MM-SSTV] FSKID
> >
> >no sstv on 60 is there???
> >
> >VE3WEJ
> >Dave Garber
> >
> >10-X # 23465
> >echolink # 52852
> >irlp node 2202
> >email ve3wej@rac.ca
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1f. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "George Henry" ka3hsw@earthlink.net ka3hsw
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 1:55 pm ((PST))
Our FCC would treat it the same... unless all or part of your communications were carried out using the same FSK protocol, the FSK ID would not meet the legal requirement for station ID.
73,
George, KA3HSW
-----Original Message-----
> >From: Simon Brown <simon.brown@kns.ch>
> >Sent: Feb 1, 2008 11:36 AM
> >To: MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [MM-SSTV] FSKID
> >
> >Also it's not RTTY - just FSKID.
> >
> >Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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1g. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "jdow" jdow@earthlink.net ferdyfubar
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 4:56 pm ((PST))
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, 2008, February 01 09:20
> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Ric Shanahan <Ric_Shanahan@yahoo.com>
>> >>To: MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com
>> >>
>> >>Hi. The "Rules" say that you must ID every ten minutes
>> >>and at the end of a QSO. Having the FSKID at the end
>> >>of the TX meets the requirement.
>> >>
> >
> >
> > Read the REST of the rule, Ric...
> >
> > Under Part 97.119(b), ID **MUST** be made in one of the following ways:
> >
> > (1) CW, on any frequency;
> >
> > (2) Phone, in the English language, on frequencies where phone is
> > authorized;
> >
> > (3) RTTY, **IF** all or part of the communications are transmitted by a
> > RTTY or data emission, or;
Send the picture title with the ID and it meets this requirement.
{^_-} Joanne, W6MKU (I also note that for logging a partial having it at
both ends is nice.)
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1h. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "w6ids" w6ids@verizon.net w6ids2003
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:53 pm ((PST))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Brown" <simon.brown@kns.ch>
To: <MM-SSTV@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: [MM-SSTV] FSKID
> > As all MMSSTV users will know, MMSSTV can optionally send a FSK ID after
> > the picture is sent.
> >
> > I'm adding this feature to my own software, I think it would make sense to
> > optionally send this at the very beginning as well (before any VIS code)
> > as the receiving station will then see the callsign and have the QRZ.com
> > lookup made while the picture is still being received.
> >
> > The FSKID could even be sent at the start and end.
> >
> > Comments anyone?
The other replies have thoughts which are well founded. I believe
the idea is a good one, Simon. When sending digi pix it's nice to
see the ID of the station sending, so I'm one who would welcome
the option.
Have it capable of being switched off by the operator but when it's
on, capable of being available in the beginning if only for visual ID
as well as providing inputs to the log.
I say this regardless of the fact that many stations may well ID their
pictures themselves. To me, what you're proposing goes well
beyond the typical informal identification methods. It would be a
nice addition.
Howard W6IDS
Richmond, IN
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1i. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "Bob" blockhead1959@yahoo.com blockhead1959
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:07 pm ((PST))
I don't think FSKID is the only way to ID.
If you are not using MMSSTV you do not have FSKID.
Also the NON-SSTVer's do not see it.
(only noise to them)
The FCC says we must ID in VOICE or CW
I don't think the picture or FSKID meets FCC reqirements.
My two cents
Bob
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1j. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "Robert E. Perry" ka0agc@yahoo.com ka0agc
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:25 pm ((PST))
Everybody has a lot of good ideas.
You as a programmer can add a off and on string. So it will be up to ham operator that is using the software.
I like having the CD id's.
I said I would never do Digital work but now I'm eating my words and I'm enjoying using the new software programs.
Thank You for your long hours of work for our hobby.
KA0AGC
Bob
Simon Brown <simon.brown@kns.ch> wrote: As all MMSSTV users will know, MMSSTV can optionally send a FSK ID after the picture is sent.
I'm adding this feature to my own software, I think it would make sense to optionally send this at the very beginning as well (before any VIS code) as the receiving station will then see the callsign and have the QRZ.com lookup made while the picture is still being received.
The FSKID could even be sent at the start and end.
Comments anyone?
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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1k. Re: FSKID
Posted by: "Simon Brown" simon.brown@kns.ch simonbrown42
Date: Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:17 am ((PST))
Thanks for all replied,
1: I will add optional FSKID support at the beginning (before VIS) and at
the end.
2: I will add optional CW ID at the start and at the end (after FSKID).
I'll get on with 2: now.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert E. Perry" <ka0agc@yahoo.com>
> > You as a programmer can add a off and on string. So it will be up to ham
> > operator that is using the software.
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2. Fskid
Posted by: "Larry Wright" g0kiz1@ntlworld.com g0kiz2001
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 3:13 pm ((PST))
Simon
Greetings Assuming Summat I hate doing MMsstv does at end as its
software lets you
Choose I think if your software lets you do it at both ends wont really
matter as long the end bit is in correct place
Get it Done I'm almost sure that yours will at either end Hi Hi
Regards Larry G0KIZ Interace
Im running the current server
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