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From: VE3WBZ@VE3LSR.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
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TO: HDTV @WW
FR: VE3WBZ
DT: Saturday, October 15th.,2011 @1049hrs EST <JPST>
Hello to Bob , Ian and Warren, as well anyone else reading along;
While we all have nearly the same problems with local authority
let's no forget that it isn't our "right" as a ham or whatever
but priveledge to operate, and this can be lost at anytime.
<< Quoting VK6BE to HDTV @WW >>
> From : VK6BE To : HDTV @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 14-Oct 23:57
> Bid : 1C0103VK6BE Message # : 53233
> Title : Re: Re; G0TEZ > The Council Fist
>
> I don't think the actual antennae concerns the Councils here,
> it is the towers and that is often a matter of safety.
> I had to get a building permit befre erecting mine but the main
> concern was nearby power lines at 22KV.
When I first moved here Bob, that was my main concern, the location
of the incoming powerline, and the regulations at the time, and
for the tower, to the rain gutters ... 2 sections, no permit
needed at that time. Now lately the powerline was moved, and
guess what...it comes passed my tower at less then 3 feet...to
which I complained they couldn't do that, when discovered.
We are currently in a battle over this, with the most interesting
reasons they can not move it ... Battle started this Wednesday
and more to come. More excuses too....
> Now our power in my street uuis underground so no problem on that
> score.
Thats interesting. Maybe I should suggest they come up to date
with the Australian method. hahahhaa....will love to hear their
answer.
> TV antennae are the norm here not the unusual and now with FOX and
> other satellite TV transmissions dishes are very common.
Warren is in a high popalation area, and well given he is invaded
and denied the summer on the beach free of the "Bennies" no need
of a tower and what is called a Deep Fringe TV Antenna ...But we
need it here or ride with cable TV. That is NOW an option I
am looking at, but for other reasons and bundling... another topic.
> No problem with the Councils or the next council election could
> see a few unseated!!! Democracy is a marvellous thing.
> Cheers,
> Bob VK6BE
>
> [End of Message #53233 from VK6BE]
YES ... I wonder how many people running afoul of council over
their outside antenna know they have some power to weld at the
voter's booth come election day? Most electors love promises
forget the past...so mmmm forget that one.
OK onto the next one from Ian G0TEZ ....
<< Quoting G0TEZ to HDTV @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : HDTV @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 15-Oct 00:25
> Bid : 4D0049G0TEZ Message # : 53279
> Title : RE:KB2VXA Council's Fist
>
> I have meant to reply to the opinions on the height of Amateur
> aerials for a while. Here in the UK the legal maximum is 20 meters
> (70 feet in real momey), we all learn that for the RAE Radio
> Amateurs Exam.
So Ian, there is a national policy that the national Government
holds perhaps over the local town council? Or perhaps due to
the makeup of how things are done, the old city states idea lingers
and they have trump decision even over a national policy.
Amateur aerials .... and I wonder what a TV viewer is called, if
not a professional TV viewer ...perhaps a Amateur TV Viewer... and
in any case they do pay a fee for a licence to the national government
agency, which I think was the Post Office, as they collected where
we once lived.
> The height is reduced with in one Km of an airfield. Nothing about
> falling on a neighbour's property. I do remember a woman near me
> during the height of CB fever in the 80s who was told to take her
> CB AE down. I found a rule which said that this height rule only
> applied to 'permanrnt' structures so I suggested she attach her AE
> to the washing pole with quick release clamps. She did this and
> when the man from the council called round she demonstrated that it
> could easily be removed and stowed, making it a temporary structure.
> She was grudgingly allowed to keep it. She did live in a council
> house and was at risk of eviction if she broke any one of a
> number of council rules. People in private housing were usually left
> alone.
That is interesting, as many in our type of council home, or low rent
did the same ... temporary telecopic pole in the yard, not attached
in anyway...
> As for set top boxes for digital reception. When this was first announced,
> people were told that, if they could not afford a digi box then, because
> they paid TV licences and that constituted a contract with the BBC, a
> government organisation, which was obliged to supply them witha picture,
> they would be supplied with a free digi box.
Oh no ... I could have used that idea here ...but alast we don't pay
a licence, and then ...no no no .... I am still wondering why I want
a digital converter for the rest of the TVs, and a new AE <as you call it>
for the tower to get ....uggg... the CBC our voice of our glorious
leader weeping Stevie.
> I don't know of anyone who took up the offer. As I have explained, my
> reason for the recent change of digi box is because,like the last one, it
> contains a PVR so that I can easily time shift and record things while I
> am out.
Oh wow ... the one I saw didn't ...and I am not paying 100 bucks for it.
> I like the discussion on capitalism v socialism. Our country has been
> moving steadily toward the right in that, in many ways it resembles
> America, e.g. Students now have to pay for tuition by taking out student
> loans, a very large expense ! During the second half of the 20th century,
> unuversity tuition was free but most students still had to take vacation
> jobs to pay for luxuries like food and clothes.
Our students like yours pay high enough...but then it was FREE and FREE
grants and the students after graduating...left CANADA...so they have
no one here to blame but those who grabbed the FREE student lown or
grant and moved out of CANADA ... We taxpayers... paid for their eduaction
and some other country benefitted from them moving there..or enticed there
by recruitment ...so there was a reason...but it is a lot to pay back
when you see it, plus interest.
> The other two mainstays of our Welfare State, i.e. Health and Old Age
> Pensions are not being attacked directly. They have both been there since
> WW II.
>
> In the case of the state pension, the massive 'grey vote' means that the
> government interferes with the living conditions of the elderly at it's
> peril. The same goes for our National Health Service. It has been picked
> away at by successive governments for decades but not politician with half
> a brain would dream of abolishing it. His party would never get in again.
I find it amazing talking to family in the USA ... that not a whimper
on getting unemployment or old age security cheques... but Health Care
is Socialist.
> As for Warren saying tha @Socialism leads to Communism@ that makes me
> think that he just doesn't understand what they are. The old USSR or as
> they put it CCCP standing for Soyuz Sovietskikh Sotsialistichemiye
> Respublik =
> Union of Councils of Socialist Republics - nothing there about Communism
> at all. One socialist country which the US has never insulted was Sweden
> and the only country with a form of Communism was Israel with it's
> 'Kibbutzim'.
> All gone now I believe.
Aaah Communism ... and what or how much each accepted and used?
The old USSR wasn't really Communist, if one was to follow closely
the book .... and today's China was changed it's Communism to match
the world reality. The NAZIS were socialist ... and like Hitler
all the know branded Commie countrys had a dictator of sorts no elections
or their form of choosing a leader. Sweden works it's parts of
social reforms or socialistic ideas ...and they seem ok for them.
> My lfe started with a war and went almost immedietly into another war,
> the Korean war inted to stop the spread of the Evil Communism,
> the US lost and so did we as we were forced to commit our British
> army over there.
I think they were innvolved in many countrys other then Korean that
never made the news ...and as yet the Korean War is NOT over. There
is just an Armistist agreement in place ... many today are so ignorant
of this fact of live...but not the people in the south or the region.
> Then they attacked their wartime ally Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam whic again,
> they lost severely.
Many reason Ian, for that loss.
> The war in former Yugoslavia, in which they helped the Muslime Albanians
> take over control of all the states except for Serbia which was a
> Christian country, allied with Russia.
>
> The NATO troops were never withdrawn from the FYR BTW, they are still
> there but not as active as the US has been too busy in Iraq and
> Afghanistan but those last wo are nothing to do wit 'fighting communism',
> they are all about oil.
aaaah poor NATO ... now used for purposes it was not created for.
> All this has always puzzled me as the average Brit doesn't see Communism
> as something evil, in fact we had the Communist Party of Great Britain
> for a long time but it was abit of a joke to most people.
We over here, also have the CPC < Communist Party of CANADA > and other
types of it, that split form the main group. Interesting conversations
with them always at union meetings and shop steward meetings, gave a
little splice of life break from the issues we faced at the time.
Before WW2 there was Mr. Mosley and the NAZI party in UK too, and my
dad used to tell me of their meetings..but as soon as the war came
they vanished..Mr. Mosley went to jail ... and the fallout was all
those spys that came from the Universitys in UK faithful to their new
fantasy in the USSR.
> Why the Americans should want to throw away millions of young men's
> lives, not just American but British, Australian, South African and
> NZ. Don't forget Canadian; completely baffles me. Greed for oil I can
> understand but a political ideology ?
EASY ... There is only one form of government...the FREE election of
a government. NO mention of the Capitalist money busineeses and
people with billions that control that elected government OR make sure
they can convince the electors to vote for them .... aaah theu it is
a FREE election .... BUT then who really runs the country ... policy is
the government and those who support them...backroom gang...CAPITALISM.
Aaah OIL ....black GOLD. Have we not seen the effects of it's worth
with events in our time ... and while WE are consumers and fed this
WE need it ... the price flops about making fortunes etc ...when WE
should be exploring other ways of energy.
> Viva Fidel.
YES ... Look at his revolution. Look at the lands owned by whom
and their involement in the National Governments of CUBA. The US
invaded CUBA in the early 1900s, and then setup BAPISTA their puppet
and then look at the Dupont plantation there and others...which only
were there for one reason ... And then the revolution and the embargos
today on CUBA. Fidel certainly fought back. Why not. They all
have fought back. Thats why there was a 911 .... that was a form
of payback.
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 01:08 on 2011-Oct-15 BST
> Message sent using WinPack-Telnet V6.80
>
> [End of Message #53279 from G0TEZ]
Sorry readers, for changing the topic... it was and is HDTV @WW
and CANADA is now digital ... and anyone without the HDTV is screwed
and needs a converter to receive and watch the garbage on the tube
now .... Obviously someone is making a nice bundle outta this,
and is smiling, with joe public and seniors on fixed crap pensions
are trying to buy converters , opposed to spending more to buy new
sets and fill lands or dumps with the millions of old TVs .... YOU
just gotta love this society.
I am on Skype and MSN .... for more direct comments...73 Pete VE3WBZ
VE3LSR BBS>
PS: Ooops ... the above VE3LSR BBS> wasn't supposed to be there... oh
well.... just to let all know ... 73 again Pete
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