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DT: Sunday,January 29th.,2012 @ 0857hrs EST <JPST>
Hello Ian and Warren, and oooh Scotland's Independence;
<< Quoting G0TEZ to ITEMS @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : ITEMS @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 29-Jan 01:17
> Bid : 720209G0TEZ Message # : 61195
> Title : Re:KB2VXA > Scottish independence
>
> As I said before,Warren. We don't really care. We treat Scots
> in England just as we treat anyone else. The only problem,
> especially for those further south than I am is understanding
> regional Scottish accents, especially Glasgow.
One only has to look at the Glasgow situation, and understand that
during the war, some very tough commandos called Glasgow home.
Good reason.
> An example of pure Glasgow is the comedian, Billy Connolly and
> hias record "The Crucifixion". I seriously doubt if you would
> understand a word of it. e.g. one line goes
> "Ah am a Roaman, Ah hate the Christians, come tae think of it,
> Ah even hate the Roamans, Ahm just a wee jobby!"
> You might understand part of that.
> Billy Conolly, taught himself to speak English with a much milder Scots
> accent for most of his stage show so he could be understood.
Billy Connolly is also very well known in Canada Ian. His brogue
is right up there with those who speak a real accent in Aberdeen.
I love watching him...
> As for the home rule, Scotland has it's Scottish Parliament which,
> like the Welsh Assembly, is much better to live under than the
> Westminster government. They do not pay for University tuition and
> their Health Service is much morr free athan ours.
>
> The Scottish Parliament is mainly controlled by Alex Salmond and
> his SNP, the Scottish National Party and looks like going even more
> that way.
I am sure given the low numbers for separation, that Mr. Salmond
was elected on that issue only. What was an issue, was home rule
and they achieved it. No need to man Hardian's Wall as Warren
has scribed, and then the Picts needed No help from the Brits at
the wall. Don't know where he got that impression, and as for
the Brits taking over Ireland, they did it a few times, the last
was during Cormwell's days.
> It is similar in Wales where Plaid Cymru, the Welsh Nationalist
> Party has a lot of powere though they are by no means the
> controlling party. There has been a move to get the WA to conduct
> debates in Welsh but this was dropped as even many of the Welsh
> members of the Plaid Cymru cannot speak Welsh.
Thats interesting, and I saw an item on the news about English as
a language being taught in the UK, but Old English, which might
be welsh...but I doubt it. There were too many dialects and mixtures
and a result of invaders who stayed and became part of the fabric.
Their language mixed and well another language. I can see a
successful ruler of all the area... telling them the realm will
be One language, for obvious reasons.
> There is a bit of a move in Scotland for Gaelic to become the
> official language but no one takes that seriously as even less
> Scots speak Gaelic than speak Welsh in Wales.
Very true. In our village we spoke English. I know those who did
speak Gaelic and members of my family could, but all needed English
to get ahead or even communicate.
> The road signs leading into Wales read "Croeso y Cymru",
> Welcome to Wales and many signs are bilingual.
Thats nice for the tourists, and of course the nationalists..but then
if they all separate, and become nations, they don't seem to see
the changes.
> The whole thing is more complicated than outsiders think. We don't
> just have the Scots and the Northern Irish with their devolved
> parliaments but the Channel Islands have their own currency and so
> does the |Isle of Man with it's ruling House of Keys,
> the Manx parliament, all with their own set of laws but relying in
> the British armwed forces to protect them.
Aaah the fuedal Gurnsey Islands and that story ...I wonder who is
the ruler now?
> That is the big snag. Britain has still got a powerful set of
> armed forces with a large, nuclear arsenal, even though we rent
> Trident from the Americans, the RAF still has bombers, mostly
> supersonic.
Cold War leftovers and ...we'll have to see what happens in the
next few generations if that wheel is repeated. But then we all
know it is always a war every 10 years or less.
> You would not want to see a Eurofighter carrying 100 Mtons,
> high above New York.
Or a Drone, pilotted by some geek in the " ......" organization
who is so used to war games, he doesn't care who he kills.
> Of course, we feel even safer with the French and the Germans
> as close allies and Scotland feels safer having a nuclear power
> to the south.
Aaah but if Scotland was to leave... there are military bases there
amd who knows if they might not want a bomb to join the other
loons?
> It is all swings and roundabouts. Scotland could become a member of
> the EU but that is not a very good idea at the moment with Wall Street
> trying to destroy the Euro. They are better with the Scottish Pound,
> tied to the English Pound right now until things change financially.
All this nationalism, and talk ... well it helps us all get over the
situation in life. To actually carry it thru, well thats why the
surveyed support is so low. It was always a fun topic for both
sides to hurl at the other.
Scotland join the EU. I would say no. Even if , or if they did
I say they would stay and try to keep closer ties with the others
and you never know what kind of Union might happens to tie them
all together. If they all have home rule, then if I was there
I would say that given the location that we...meaning Scotland
England, Ireland and Wales and Northern Ireland come together
in common and form a union of the British Isles, and be a
Great Britain. Afterall ...they did this with the Empire
and formed a Commonwealth.
> It is quite a complicated subject...
Yes it is...history and religion and other things considered
very complicated.
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 01:15 on 2012-Jan-29 GMT
> Message sent using WinPack-Telnet V6.80
>
> [End of Message #61195 from G0TEZ]
A funny thing I used to get over here in the Americas, was when
I mentioned my heritage, it came to religion and what I thought
of the American Revolution. The revolution wasn't popular
in the colonies, and either were the causes, and what was popular
in UK was the grievence of the colonies. Too many supporters in
England, as letters atest to before and after, and the very quick
moves by the business people both sides to connect and make more
as the Revolution was a great tool.
What is forgotten is all those who signed the Declaration of
Independence were made broke or died in this struggle. No one
really benefitted from it.
Then it switchs to how big our navy is over yours, and well given
who is the biggest, isn't the best...I'll stay with the best.
Always has been that way ... when really needed it was always
a small well trained navy and whomever they took on, no matter
win or loose, the meeting gave the enemy a good reason not
to sail to England.
I have sailed some replica RN ships and frankly when I see these
same ships have battled a storm at sae, that has taken other
modern vessels, I can only admire the builders of old as well
those in the Iles that do it now.
73 Pete VE3WBZ
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