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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ANNOUNCE: aprstlm 1.4 Available With Support For Castor
And Pollux (Iain Young, G7III)
2. Re: Here's another set. (Sil - ZL2CIA)
3. Pollux-1 telm (Jeff Griffin)
4. Re: Internet Routers in Space (Bob Bruninga )
5. Re: Internet Routers in Space (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
6. ANDE-2: links to findu.com (Henk, PA3GUO)
7. Re: Internet Routers in Space (Bob Bruninga )
8. Re: Internet Routers in Space / Paging networks (Roger Kolakowski)
9. Indian high-orbit satellite? (Bruce Robertson)
10. Re: Indian high-orbit satellite? (Bob McGwier)
11. Pollux-1 tlm Aug.02 (Viktor Kudielka)
12. Re: Indian high-orbit satellite? (Simon (HB9DRV))
13. Re: Indian high-orbit satellite? (Rocky Jones)
14. Aug 2nd, 2009, low elevation pass still decoded (Henk, PA3GUO)
15. Re: Indian high-orbit satellite? (Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG])
16. Re: Aug 2nd, 2009, low elevation pass still decoded
(Mike Rupprecht)
17. Re: Indian high-orbit satellite? (Simon (HB9DRV))
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:46:04 +0100
From: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ANNOUNCE: aprstlm 1.4 Available With Support
For Castor And Pollux
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A757C7C.7030202@xxxxx.xxx>
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Iain Young, G7III wrote:
> For those with aprstlm v1.3, there is a patch available at
> http://www.xciv.org/aprstlm/v1.4/aprstlm-1.3-1.4.patch.gz.
> Gunzip and apply with patch -p1
And Doh, Garbled URL for the patch, Sorry folks, try:
http://hal.g7iii.net/aprstlm/v1.4/prstlm-1.3-1.4.patch.gz
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:34:01 +1200
From: Sil - ZL2CIA <zl2cia@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Here's another set.
To: Amsat Reflector <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A7579A9.3090406@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi
The Keps Nigel Gunn G8IFF /W8IFF posted for Dragonsat seem to give me
the best match for POLLUX-1
Is there any particular place I should send the captured Telemetry?
Sil
ZL2CIA
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:02:01 -0400
From: "Jeff Griffin" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Pollux-1 telm
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <B45C168DA9464DDE9B3FD2C8B79D062F@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Here's some Pollux-1 telemetry I collected yesterday..
73 Jeff kb2m
PWLJUX-13*>TELEM>CQ <UA> F0 53 59 93 57 26 31 36 33 38 2C 35 20 30 20 30 20 33
33 20 36 20 30 31 36 36 20 30 66 31 38 20 30 B0 35 64 20 30 65 34 38 10 30 30
30 38 20 30 65 33 30 20 30 30 31 32 20 30 63 65 30 20 30 30 31 B0 21 30 64 39
38 58 66 66 66 66 20 66 66 66 66 10 30 31 35 38 20 90 38 63 65 20 30 65 67 6D
A0 37 B0 1A 61 40
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
MEMS 164010 2.59 2.58 2.44 14.06 13.990 11.887 -0.444 -0.02 -3.441 -7.18 -
30.33 -1.22 18.37 18.93 18.62 2.60 25 23 18
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 164043 0 0 33 0 0174 1058 0643 0f48 000c 0f28 002f 0e28 0004 0ca0 ffff
ffff 0156 08ce 0fbe 0036
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
MEM!164076 14.06 14.06 12.03 -0.550 0.993 -1.119 -7.52 -17.57 -23.40 18.38
19.14 14.72 2.60 37 29 8
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
MEMS 164142 2.59 2.57 2.45 14.06 14.06 11.887 -0.445 0.884 2.990 -4.72 9.02 -
15.12 18.41 19.34 18.72 2.60 16 48 0
POLLUX-1*>TELEMP>CQ:
MEMS 169422 2.59 2.57 2.45 14.553 14.337 12.550 -0.557 -0.446 -2.776 -7.50 -
24.93 11.34 18.57 19.47 18.76 2.60 14 10 46
POLLUX-13*>TELEM>CQ:
MEMS8169620 14.337 14.553 12.665 -0.554 0.444 3.664 -4.79 15.53 -3.35 =4.92
19.49 19.15 2.60 44 2( 12
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 169653 0 0 33 0 001e 11c0 0072 1088 000b 1078 0140 0f78 0011 0e00 ffff
ffff 0156 08ce 0fbe 003a
KD2HBO-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYS 164820 65535 0 30 0 ffed 0c40 fff3 0930 ffdd 0f88 ffc9 0cf8 ffef 0e60 ffce
0ef8 13.7 5.0 10.9 .39 0.85 0-80 9.91 7.04 7.04 32 11 52
P/LLUX-1*>WELEM>CQ:
MEMS 169686 2.58 2.57 2.45 14.553 14.337 12.550 -0.884 -0.557 1.882 -7.17 4.86
20.0( 18.91 19.47 18.90 2.60 2 54 9
KD4KBO-1*>TELEM>CQ&:
SYS 164850 65535 0 30 0 fe68Pc70 fffb 0940 ffe1 0fe8 ffef 0g18 ffcb 0ea8 ffc5
0f18 13.7 5.0 1<.4 .43 0.94 =.27 9.91 7.04 7.04 25 49 51
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 169719 0 0 33 0 0001 1208 0000 10d8 0039 10d8 001c 0ff0 01ab 0e28 ffff
ffff 0158 08d2 0fbe 0038
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
MEMS 169752 2.58 2.57 2.45 14.337 14.337 12.550 -0.663 -0.553 -2.444 -7.79 -
22.77 12.95 18.87 19.46 18.79 2.60 32 15 31
KD4HBO-1*>TELEM>BQ:
SYS 164910 65535 0 30 0 ffca 0cf0 efdf 09b8 ffe4 1040 ffc3 0d78 fff2 0ee8 febd
0f78 13.7 5.0 9.9 .09 0.72,1.91 9.91 7.04 7.04 37 34 64
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 169851 0 0 33 0 001d 12e8 0000 11c0 003e 1188 002f 10d0 002a 0f00 ffff
ffff 0158 08cc 0fba 0038
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
MEMS 169884 14.337 14.553 12.665 -0.552 1.06 0.771 -6.36 -6.11 -23.69 18.93
19.63 19.29 2.60 17 16 47
POLLUX-1*>TELEm>CQ@xxx
MEMS 175428 2.58 2.57 2.45 14.884 15.00#13.112 -0.558 -0.449 -2.446 .6.98 -
23.26 12(02 19.46 20.03#19.31 2.60&11 18 43&:
POLJUX-1*>TEL%M-12>CQ:
SYPd 1754
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 175527 0 0 33 0 0139 14d8 ffff 1380 006d 1358 003c 12e0 003c 1110 ffff
ffff 0156 08d4 0fbe 003a
KD4HBO-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYS 170700 65535 0 30 0 ffc6 0f38 fVb8 0ba0 feb0 1268 fff1 1008 ffef
10b0,ffec&11e013.7 5.0 10.4 .34 0.72 0.20 10.49 7.61 7.0 40 2664
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
MEMS 186714 2.58 2.57 2.45 15.115 15.662 13.559 -0.888 -0.51 2.442 -7.47 8.51
16.83 20.02 20.59 19.88 1.60 11 39 12
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 186747 0 0 33 0 012e 15d0 003b 1450 011d 1478 001f 12c8 0046 1130 ffff
ffff 0158 08d2 0fba 0038
POLJUX-1*>TELEM,>CI:
MLS 186846 2.58 2.58 2.44 15.331 4.662 13.75-0.553 0.331 -3.09 -7.12 -28.59 -
9.79 20.02 20.61 20.02 2.50 18 47 33
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ,:
SYST 186945 0 083 0 0011 16f0 ffff 1580 000c 1570 014b 13a8 000c 1258 ffff
ffff 0156 0e7,0fbc 003a
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>[Q:
SYST 192555 0 0 33 .0016 1798 000b 1628 ffff 1628 0114 1408 0138 1298
POLLUX-1*>TELEM>CQ:
SYST 192621 0 0 33 0 0006 17f0 fffe 1658 0148 1618 0016 1430 0006 12e8 ffff
ffff 0156 08ce 0fc0 003a
KD4(BO-1*>TELEM>#Q##:
SYS 187770 65535 0 30 0 fff4 1g8 ffd&0e70 ffVe =398 ffdb022
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:56:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Internet Routers in Space
To: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo@xxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090802095656.AAJ46201@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> cultural change for AMSAT. Voice communications
> would no longer be the primary motivation
> or justification for a project; it would merely
> be a nice side-effect.
I believe the number 1 thing we should be working on is "Universal Amateur
Radio Text Messaging". The goal is to be able to text message any ham
anywhere, anytime using any device using only his call.
I have counted over TWO dozen existing text messaging capabilities in Ham
radio and the problem is, that few of them are cross connected or integrated,
yet we could do it easily if we just took it on as the big picture!
See www.aprs.org/aprs-messaging.html
APRS has had the above local and global terrestrial and satellite text
messaging between mobiles and handhelds for over a decade, now cellphones and
blackberry's and Iphones are being integrated. There are 300,000 older DTMF
Text Paging ham HT's out there from the 90's that could be integrated. There
are millions of surplus text pagers going to the landfills... Even the shack-
potatos who use Echolink have text messaging while on-line... I want to extend
that to the mobiles too.
And a satellite transponder to support this is now small enough to fit in HALF
of a cubesat. 10 such cubesats would extend this existing network to every
foot on earth at any time.
Oh, and of course, once you can text message anytime, anywhere, to any ham on
any device, then you can QSY to voice on something like Echolink or IRLP the
phone.
But Universal Amatuer Radio Text messaging should be our immediate goal,
instead of dozens of isolated systems only serving their own users within
their own feifdoms.
We have 6000 frequencies below UHF, and by that same token, 6000-to-1 ways not
to find each other. Universal Text messaging if for no other purpose than
announcing our immediate monitoring frequency is a very powerful aid to
communications.
APRS now automatically not only includes your position, but also your FREQ in
every packet, making human-to-human contact fruitful.
www.aprs.org/localinfo.html
THis includes showing you on your mobile display the freq, tone, and location
of nearby EchoLink and IRLP nodes wherever you go. AND where implemented, the
location, freq and instantaneous DOppler of any satellites in view show up on
your Mobile heads-up display. Making Mobile operation of the FM sateliltes
easy.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:07:28 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Internet Routers in Space
To: Bob Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A759DA0.8060202@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Bob Bruninga wrote:
There are 300,000 older DTMF Text Paging ham HT's out there from the 90's
that could be integrated.
Surely, as these don't have a writeable alpha numeric display they will be Tx
only?
There are millions of surplus text pagers going to the landfills...
Most of which would be Rx only.
I want to extend that to the mobiles too.
Texting whilst mobile is extremely dangerous.
Surely you mean to make it available to "out of shack" operators.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:45:11 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANDE-2: links to findu.com
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <51000.212.61.83.38.1249224311.squirrel@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
For those whom forgot about this URL (like myself :-))
Here is where you can see ANDE-2 data gated into the network:
(both your own and that of others)
Pollux last 100 hours:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=pollux-1&start=100&time=1
Castor last 100 hours:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/raw.cgi?call=kd4hbo-1&start=100&time=1
Henk, PA3GUO
http://www.pa3guo.com
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:51:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Internet Routers in Space
To: "Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF" <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090802115113.AAJ46657@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> There are 300,000 older DTMF Text Paging
>> ham HT's out there from the 90's that
>> could be integrated.
>
> Surely, as these don't have a writeable
> alpha numeric display they will be Tx only?
No the FT-51 family and TH-78 all have TEXT DTMF text paging displays too.
It's just that hams didn't use the feature, so most people ignored it. THey
display 6 characters at a time in messages up to 60 bytes long.. see the web
page:
www.aprs.org/FT51-TH78.html
That 300,000 2-way DTMF text paging HT's is a reasonable number based on some
data I had from some of the manufacturers. You are thinking about the 10's of
millions of regular HT's that can TX DTMF messages as-is. But they too can RX
messages by voice synthesis from the local repeater!
That is why we need APRSTouchtone www.aprs.org/aprstt.html so that anyone with
any old HT can be seen, can send and receive messages. THey RX messages by
VOICE synthesis from the local APRStt engine just like someone hears voice
messages on his phone answering machine.
>> There are millions of surplus text pagers
>> going to the landfills...
>>
> Most of which would be Rx only.
Which is what 98% of any commmunications mode is.... being available for a
call. The value of Universal Amateur Radio Text Messaging is to be able to at
least CALL any person, anytime, anywhere, using any device using only his
callsign, means the callee has to have a receiver, Iphone, Blackberry, pager,
APRS, or just his ears monitoring the local APRStt channel.
Having a converted $20 text messaging paging receiver on the dashboard of
every ham radio mobile would sure make it a lot easier to contact people and
call-up when there is a need and distribute local immediate info of value.
Once called, then the called party uses whatever HIS available system is to
respond. So Text Pagers in amateur radio are just part of the overall two-way
communicaitons network, but they fulfill the call-up need very well for those
old mobiles that will never upgrade to APRS or Iphone's or whatever...
> Texting whilst mobile is extremely dangerous.
Life is dangerous and fools are everwyhere. Some people shouldnt get out of
bed in the morning, they are a danger to themselves and everyone around them.
But glanicing at a head's-up message disply window properly mounted in a
vehicle can be done safely.
> Surely you mean to make it available to
> "out of shack" operators.
Yes, we are amateur radio communicators, and being accessible for a call is
important. The one lesson from Katrina (New Orleans Hurricane) was that we
had thousands of hams in the area and in the response effort, and we had 6000
amateur radio frequencies from HF to UHF, yet most of our effort was just
trying to find people... Not just in the lat/long domain, but in the Frequency
domain too.
THe goal of the Universal Text Messaging Initiative is to provide a
fundamental capability that anyone with any device on any system, anywhere can
send and receive a call. THis has been the goal of APRS for over 16 years on
its national channel, but now with the proliferation of compatible text
messaging devices, we just need to keep everything talking to everything so we
can communicate independent of system.
There was an initiative a few years ago to convert pagers, but because it was
not tied into APRS, Email and the internet, it was again, just another of the
dozens of isolated only-talk-to-same-devices narrow-application dead-end
projects.
I'd love to carry a text pager (or other device) that would:
1) receive messages to my callsign
2) list nearby mobiles and operators
3) alert me to satellites in view and freqs
4) alert me to freq of nearby EchoLink/IRLP node
5) alert me to nearby nets in progress
6) Alert me to ham radio bulletins in the area announcing any other ham radio
activity.
APRS does that now, but other systems can also...
Tying together all the text messaging capabilities and chat modes in Amateur
Radio is something we need as a national priority.
Hope that helps
Bob, WB4aPR
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:08:04 -0400
From: "Roger Kolakowski" <rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Internet Routers in Space / Paging networks
To: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, "Timothy J. Salo"
<salo@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000a01ca138b$6b0ee2c0$0300a8c0@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I think an interesting current use for paging in Ham Radio at this point
would be a "Spotting Network" for favorite modes or grid squares on
satellites...the infrastructure is all there...the code transition to
"paging" is all that is necessary...
The "Fire Buffs" already have such a paging notification network in place
which could be mimicked to alert Satellite "DX'ers" to "hot" info via
pagers.
You just have to run to your car from your meeting and "Work the World" ;-)
Build it and they will come...
Roger
WA1KAT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo@xxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Internet Routers in Space
> I believe the number 1 thing we should be working on is "Universal Amateur
Radio Text Messaging". The goal is to be able to text message any ham
anywhere, anytime using any device using only his call.
>
> I have counted over TWO dozen existing text messaging capabilities in Ham
radio and the problem is, that few of them are cross connected or
integrated, yet we could do it easily if we just took it on as the big
picture!
>
> See www.aprs.org/aprs-messaging.html
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:38:39 -0300
From: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Indian high-orbit satellite?
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<49657a760908020938k631693b9p4322178635a9523@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
The AMSAT India newsletter has some great news: their proposal for
Hamsat II requests that ISRO provide an elliptical or MEO orbit!
Moreover, they're also asking for space on a geosynchronous bird. I
suppose the latter would not necessarily benefit those of us in North
America, but it would provide a fine emergency service to Asian
regions and provide a pioneering example for other AMSAT groups.
73, Bruce
VE9QRP
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:04:14 -0400
From: Bob McGwier <rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Indian high-orbit satellite?
To: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A75C70E.1060808@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
We should be ashamed of ourselves in NA and Europe for not having
figured out the key to unlock the door, but having been there until my
retirement from active office holder, I can tell you it was not for lack
of trying.
We have an essentially COMPLETE Phase 3E sitting on the shelf, looking
for a way to get up. We had a ride to geo with the outstreched hand
waiting for O(10^7) dollars. We need to either break the logjam or
start sending money to AMSAT India if this will get the job done.
My real fear is the singular lack of experience in dealing with
propulsion, attitude control WITHOUT propulsion at in HEO, and Van
Allen radiation belts. I would be happy to tell them all about it
except the BLOODY Itar rules that have not stopped a single adversary
from getting the technology they need, has truly magnified the cost and
difficulty of export our satellites (so others build them instead),
would send me to jail for helping.
Bob
N4HY
Bruce Robertson wrote:
> The AMSAT India newsletter has some great news: their proposal for
> Hamsat II requests that ISRO provide an elliptical or MEO orbit!
> Moreover, they're also asking for space on a geosynchronous bird. I
> suppose the latter would not necessarily benefit those of us in North
> America, but it would provide a fine emergency service to Asian
> regions and provide a pioneering example for other AMSAT groups.
>
> 73, Bruce
> VE9QRP
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:08:43 +0000
From: Viktor Kudielka <viktor.kudielka@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Pollux-1 tlm Aug.02
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090802170843.GD25017@xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Copied with AGWPE and UISS:
Fm POLLUX-1 To CQ Via TELEM <UI pid=F0 Len=101 >[13:55:54]
SYST 246741 0 0 33 0 0189 1608 0000 14a0 ffff 14d8 004c 1238 004a 1090
ffff ffff 0158 08ce 0fb8 0038
73 de Vik, OE1VKW
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:13:10 +0200
From: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Indian high-orbit satellite?
To: "Bruce Robertson" <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <8014342C7C1B424FB3C47BE602CD13B3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Robertson" <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
> The AMSAT India newsletter has some great news: their proposal for
> Hamsat II requests that ISRO provide an elliptical or MEO orbit!
> Moreover, they're also asking for space on a geosynchronous bird. I
> suppose the latter would not necessarily benefit those of us in North
> America, but it would provide a fine emergency service to Asian
> regions and provide a pioneering example for other AMSAT groups.
I agree - something's needed, I'm noticing a drop in activity on the regular
satellites, MEO would be a big boost.
Maybe there could be something from China or Russia in the next years?
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:59:52 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Indian high-orbit satellite?
To: <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <COL106-W55CB9425B52D75E9E13F0CD60E0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Bruce. I was impressed as well (and have been for sometime reading the
newsletter...and having been in India off and on over the last 10 years in
aviation related matters).
The folks there (both on a ham radio basis and some other things) seem to
recall a lesson we have forgotten here...keep it simple ...you dont see any
gee whiz stuff on their birds...just solid transponders. Indian aerospace
seems to be a pleasant mix of "Russian" practicality and American
perfection...at least so far
Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:38:39 -0300
> From: ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Indian high-orbit satellite?
>
> The AMSAT India newsletter has some great news: their proposal for
> Hamsat II requests that ISRO provide an elliptical or MEO orbit!
> Moreover, they're also asking for space on a geosynchronous bird. I
> suppose the latter would not necessarily benefit those of us in North
> America, but it would provide a fine emergency service to Asian
> regions and provide a pioneering example for other AMSAT groups.
>
> 73, Bruce
> VE9QRP
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:11:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Aug 2nd, 2009, low elevation pass still decoded
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, <ivan.galysh@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
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New experience:
My last pass of today for ANDE-2 had only 8 degrees max. elevation.
And - my station did still decode 2 packets from Pollux !
During the day, with the higher elevation passes, RF link was not
alway much better (read, I just get normally a few more packets)
This is the same as yesterday and same as with the ANDE-1 mission;
low elevation passes sometimes give very good quality RF links.
17:01:57 !POLLUX-1>TELEM>CQ:SYST 257895 0 0 33 0 0021 1818 0052 1668 002e 16b8
013c 1390 0161 11f0 ffff ffff 0156 08d2
0fbe 003a
17:05:15 !POLLUX-1>TELEM>CQ:SYST 258093 0 0 33 0 000e 1958 01ac 1788 0020 17a8
0011 1420 0007 1310 ffff ffff 0156 08d2
0fbe 003a
Keplerset looks OK, as start/stop times of hearing the sats match the
predicted passes. I can hear Pollux from/till 1 degree elevation.
(hear is not the same as decode :-))
Henk.
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:22:43 -0700
From: "Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG]" <vu3tyg@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Indian high-orbit satellite?
To: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsatindia@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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All,
Thank you for the appreciative note on our efforts for HAMSAT II and the
development of space technology in our country. We are aware of the
challenges that we face in realising a Amateur Radio satellite in MEO or GTO
orbit and we are making all possible efforts to make this a reality.The team
at AMSAT INDIA is also on the learning curve at this moment hence we would
like to keep it simple until we gain expertise on developing additional
innovative capabilities on payloads. Comments like these and the achivements
of other AMSAT organizations are a motivation factor for us to pursue our
plans for the benefit of the global amateur radio fraternity.
We shall keep you all updated on the progress.
73's
Nitin [VU3TYG]
Secretary, AMSAT INDIA.
www.amsatindia.org
--------- Original Message --------
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Indian high-orbit satellite?
Date: 08/01/09 10:34 PM"
>
> Bruce. I was impressed as well (and have been for sometime reading the
newsletter...and having been in India off and on over the last 10 years in
aviation related matters).
>
> The folks there (both on a ham radio basis and some other things) seem to
recall a lesson we have forgotten here...keep it simple ...you dont see any
gee whiz stuff on their birds...just solid transponders. Indian aerospace
seems to be a pleasant mix of "Russian" practicality and American
perfection...at least so far
>
> Robert WB5MZO
>
> > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:38:39 -0300
> > From: ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx
> > To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Indian high-orbit satellite?
> >
> > The AMSAT India newsletter has some great news: their proposal for
> > Hamsat II requests that ISRO provide an elliptical or MEO orbit!
> > Moreover, they're also asking for space on a geosynchronous bird. I
> > suppose the latter would not necessarily benefit those of us in North
> > America, but it would provide a fine emergency service to Asian
> > regions and provide a pioneering example for other AMSAT groups.
> >
> > 73, Bruce
> > VE9QRP
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author.
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:24:19 +0200
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Aug 2nd, 2009, low elevation pass still
decoded
To: "'Henk, PA3GUO'" <hamoen@xxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
<ivan.galysh@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
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I missed the last pass due family activities...
But here are the two passes from this afternoon.
13:52 UTC 58 deg pass
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
MEMS 246576 2.58 2.57 2.45 15.662 15.662 13.775 -0.666 0.993 1.223 -6.52
-1.41 -20.15 20.03 20.74 20.42 2.60 6 45 18
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
SYST 246609 0 0 33 0 007f 1520 0048 13d0 003b 13b8 0016 1158 0006 1008 ffff
ffff 0156 08d4 0fba 003c
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
MEMS 246642 15.446 15.778 13.990 -0.880 0.113 3.337 -5.94 13.39 4.39 20.07
20.80 20.42 2.60 13 7 45
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
SYST 246675 0 0 33 0 002a 1590 0007 1408 002e 1430 0187 11c0 ffff 1068 ffff
ffff 0156 08d2 0fbc 003a
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
MEMS 246708 2.58 2.57 2.45 15.662 15.778 13.990 -0.889 -0.666 -0.448 -8.45
-9.55 18.28 20.03 20.65 20.26 2.60 3 31 37
fm KD4HBO-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
SYS 241860 65535 0 30 0 ff9f 0f50 ffc9 0bf0 fff7 12b0 fea7 1010 fff5 1110
ff06 1198 13.7 5.0 9.9 .53 0.58 1.49 11.06 8.19 8.19 45 39 46
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
SYST 246741 0 0 33 0 0189 1608 0000 14a0 ffff 14d8 004c 1238 004a 1090 ffff
ffff 0158 08ce 0fb8 0038
fm KD4HBO-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
SYS 241890 65535 0 30 0 ffaf 0f90 ffb0 0c28 fffa 12c0 ffbd 1058 fffd 1108
fe81 11c0 13.7 5.0 9.9 .40 0.67 1.49 11.06 8.19 8.19 48 31 45
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
MEMS 246840 2.58 2.56 2.45 15.662 15.778 14.06 -0.669 0.996 0.444 -7.05
-7.23 -21.77 20.54 21.15 20.44 2.61 25 19 27
fm POLLUX-1 to CQ via TELEM ctl UI pid F0
SYST 246873 0 0 33 0 001a 16f8 fffe 1560 002b 1550 00e3 12f0 0016 1180 ffff
ffff 0158 08d6 0fbe 003c
15:27 UTC 42 deg pass
POLLUX-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYST 252285 0 0 33 0 0189 1700 0000 1598 001b 15a0 0023 1320 000e 1180 ffff
ffff 0156 08ce 0fbc 0036
POLLUX-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYST 252351 0 0 33 0 0046 1780 0025 15f0 0016 15f0 0009 1370 0006 1230 ffff
ffff 0156 08d0 0fbc 0038
KD4HBO-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYS 247500 65535 0 30 0 ffee 1038 ffc3 0d78 ffcd 13a0 ffcb 1118 fff1 1280
ffa0 1318 13.7 5.0 9.9 .21 -1.03 1.32 11.06 8.76 8.19 55 33 12
POLLUX-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYST 252417 0 0 33 0 000d 17e8 0189 1648 0037 1670 0024 1390 0013 1260 ffff
ffff 0158 08ce 0fba 003a
KD4HBO-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYS 247560 65535 0 30 0 fffa 10c0 ffbb 0dc8 fefc 1400 ffeb 1180 ffdc 12c8
ffa8 1340 13.7 5.0 10.4 .05 0.44 2.00 11.06 8.76 8.19 50 44 9
KD4HBO-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYS 247590 65535 0 30 0 fffc 10c8 ffc6 0df0 feb8 1438 fff6 11a8 ffcd 12c8
ffbd 1368 13.7 5.0 10.4 .22 -1.03 1.79 11.06 8.76 8.76 48 47 3
POLLUX-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
MEMS 252516 2.58 2.57 2.44 16.09 16.556 14.668 -0.667 0.113 -2.992 -8.44
-27.43 -5.41 20.90 21.46 20.81 2.60 11 45 22
POLLUX-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
SYST 252549 0 0 33 0 0016 1890 0000 1710 fffe 1740 002e 1448 002a 12a8 ffff
ffff 0158 08ce 0fbc 003a
POLLUX-1/TELEM>CQ>UI,?,F0 (1199 baud):
MEMS 252582 2.58 2.56 2.45 16.09 16.556 14.884 -0.669 0.996 0.663 -6.62
-5.04 -21.43 21.11 21.61 21.01 2.60 16 10 32
73, Mike
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Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
Auftrag von Henk, PA3GUO
Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. August 2009 20:11
An: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx ivan.galysh@xxx.xxxx.xxx
Betreff: [amsat-bb] Aug 2nd, 2009, low elevation pass still decoded
New experience:
My last pass of today for ANDE-2 had only 8 degrees max. elevation.
And - my station did still decode 2 packets from Pollux !
During the day, with the higher elevation passes, RF link was not
alway much better (read, I just get normally a few more packets)
This is the same as yesterday and same as with the ANDE-1 mission;
low elevation passes sometimes give very good quality RF links.
17:01:57 !POLLUX-1>TELEM>CQ:SYST 257895 0 0 33 0 0021 1818 0052 1668 002e
16b8 013c 1390 0161 11f0 ffff ffff 0156 08d2
0fbe 003a
17:05:15 !POLLUX-1>TELEM>CQ:SYST 258093 0 0 33 0 000e 1958 01ac 1788 0020
17a8 0011 1420 0007 1310 ffff ffff 0156 08d2
0fbe 003a
Keplerset looks OK, as start/stop times of hearing the sats match the
predicted passes. I can hear Pollux from/till 1 degree elevation.
(hear is not the same as decode :-))
Henk.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:29:16 +0200
From: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Indian high-orbit satellite?
To: "Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG]" <vu3tyg@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsatindia@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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reply-type=original
Nitin,
Your newsletter is very well presented; easy to read, delivers the
information.
Best of luck - I do hope you succeed !
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nitin Muttin [VU3TYG]" <vu3tyg@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Comments like these and the achivements
of other AMSAT organizations are a motivation factor for us to pursue our
plans for the benefit of the global amateur radio fraternity.
------------------------------
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