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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 3/16" stainless retainers (Jim Jerzycke)
2. Re: controller and Rotator help (George Henry)
3. Re: AO-7??? (Greg D.)
4. Re: 3/16" stainless retainers (Art McBride)
5. Re: 3/16" stainless retainers (Jim Jerzycke)
6. Re: qsl card (Luc Leblanc)
7. Re: Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated?
(Paul Williamson)
8. Re: Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated? (Bryan Green)
9. Re: Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated? (GW1FKY@xxx.xxxx
10. Re: Murphy on my G-5400B control box (Allan Saul)
11. Re: controller and Rotator help (John)
12. Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Tonight On Echolink n2eyh-L At
8 PM EST (Cotejaune2@xxx.xxxx
13. Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:
Re:dream) (Robert Bruninga)
14. Cleaning oxidation from antenna (w6zkh@xxxxxxx.xxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/16" stainless retainers
To: Amsat-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "R. Chastain" <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
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I've found a bunch of places that *make* them in stainless, but they all have
rather large minimum buys.
If there's enough interest, I'll consider buying them, and selling them to
other AMSAT members for whatever price they cost me.
Jim? KQ6EA
--- On Wed, 7/8/09, R. Chastain <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
From: R. Chastain <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 3/16" stainless retainers
To: "Amsat-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 4:36 PM
Anyone know where the least expensive place is to purchase 3/16" stainless
steel retainer washers?
Thanks,
RoD
KD0XX
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:56:33 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: controller and Rotator help
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I have one of the boards, the PIC, documentation on CD, and all the parts,
if anyone is interested in building one of these units.
Make an offer off-list....
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Howell" <bhowell@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Amsat List" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:00 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: controller and Rotator help
> Myles,
>
> My friend is using a Yaesu 5400 rotor (the currently available model
> is the 5500).
> I do not believe that he has had any problem with it, nor have I.
> He uses a controller created by Mark Spencer, WA8SME. Here is a link
> to the original QST page that describes it:
> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/ariss-kits/
> Note that the kit is no longer available through Mark or the ARRL.
> The boards are available through Far Circuits...
> http://www.farcircuits.net/control1.htm
> It is described as "SATELITE TRACKER INTERFACE FOR G-5500, G-5400,
> NOVA, SatPC32 BY WA8SME
> INCLUDES PROGRAMMED PIC AND BOARD".
>
> What you are buying is a circuit board and programmed PIC chip. You
> will have to buy miscellaneous parts to finish out the project.
>
[snip]
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:13:41 -0700
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7???
To: <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>, <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Jan, Auke,
Probably polarization. Do you have a circularly polarized antenna? If so,
try the other direction. I had very different results RH and LH; the non-
default position was by far the best for me in the second half of the pass on
Field Day. This was just for the downlink; my uplink is linear, so I don't
know how that side reacts.
Greg KO6TH
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:40:34 +0200
> From: pe0sat@xxxxx.xx
> To: sparkycivic@xxxx.xx
> CC: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7???
>
>
> On Wed, July 8, 2009 06:35, Auke de Jong wrote:
>
>
> Hi Auke,
>
> > Could the solar panels on one particular side be failing? Are there any
> > regular patterns to the performance?
> >
> > ... and so continues the next chapter of most interesting satellite we
> > have!
>
> The experience I have the last couple of weeks, is that when AO-7 is
> comming towards me everything works great but when it is going away from
> me, it is very difficult to use the bird.
>
> No idea what the reason could be?
>
>
> PE0SAT - Jan
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:51:29 -0700
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/16" stainless retainers
To: "'Jim Jerzycke'" <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Amsat-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "'R. Chastain'" <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
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Try McMaster Carr
http://www.mcmaster.com/#
This is a great place to buy small quantities, credit card orders ship the
next day.
Art, KC6UQH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:36 PM
To: Amsat-BB; R. Chastain
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/16" stainless retainers
I've found a bunch of places that *make* them in stainless, but they all
have rather large minimum buys.
If there's enough interest, I'll consider buying them, and selling them to
other AMSAT members for whatever price they cost me.
Jim? KQ6EA
--- On Wed, 7/8/09, R. Chastain <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
From: R. Chastain <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 3/16" stainless retainers
To: "Amsat-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 4:36 PM
Anyone know where the least expensive place is to purchase 3/16" stainless
steel retainer washers?
Thanks,
RoD
KD0XX
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/16" stainless retainers
To: "'Amsat-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "'R. Chastain'"
<suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>, kc6uqh@xxx.xxx
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yep, great place to find stuff, but they don't carry them in stainless.
Jim
--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Art McBride <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx> wrote:
From: Art McBride <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/16" stainless retainers
To: "'Jim Jerzycke'" <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Amsat-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>,
"'R. Chastain'" <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:51 PM
Try McMaster Carr
http://www.mcmaster.com/#
This is a great place to buy small quantities, credit card orders ship the
next day.
Art, KC6UQH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:36 PM
To: Amsat-BB; R. Chastain
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 3/16" stainless retainers
I've found a bunch of places that *make* them in stainless, but they all
have rather large minimum buys.
If there's enough interest, I'll consider buying them, and selling them to
other AMSAT members for whatever price they cost me.
Jim? KQ6EA
--- On Wed, 7/8/09, R. Chastain <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
From: R. Chastain <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]? 3/16" stainless retainers
To: "Amsat-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 4:36 PM
Anyone know where the least expensive place is to purchase 3/16" stainless
steel retainer washers?
Thanks,
RoD
KD0XX
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:59:47 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: qsl card
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I received the richard Garriott card with a letter also this morning. A big
thank to the teams involved in this experiment.
The next space tourist will be Guy Lalibert? from Quebec i don't know if he
will be available to have some QSO'S from ISS as Richard does?
I just hope he will be able to get his amateur radio licence or he can used
the equipment abord under the supervision of another licenced
amateur astronaut or cosmonaut?
On 8 Jul 2009 at 11:23, Scott Smith wrote:
> Hi folks, i received my qsl card from Richard Garriott in the mail today.
Thanks to all who were involved in getting those cards in the mail. It sure
looks nice. 73 de VE6ITV Scott
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:42:04 -0700
From: Paul Williamson <kb5mu@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated?
To: Bryan Green <bag@xxx.xxx>
Cc: Ray Hoad <r.hoad@xxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 3:44 PM -0700 7/8/09, Bryan Green wrote:
>Minor emergency: the "Bare NASA (2-line) format elements page" appears to be
truncated:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>
>This in turn means that my beloved GoSatWatch software is no-worky!
>
>Who fixes these things?
That's me, I wrote and maintain the scripts that create the files on the FTP
site from the Keps bulletins published by Ray Hoad. Thanks for pointing out
the problem.
The script that creates the nasabare.txt file simply scans the nasa.all file
and copies out everything that's a valid 2-line element set. The nasa.all
file, in turn, is created by saving everything between the SB line and the /EX
line in the bulletin email message, just as a packet radio BBS would have
done.
The error this week is actually in the bulletin text itself. Many of the
element sets in the bulletin were mangled for some reason. You can see this
easily by noting that the line lengths are not all the same, as they should
be.
I have replaced both nasa.all and nasabare.txt with versions from last week's
bulletins. When Ray publishes a new set (usually on Friday), they will be
replaced as usual with the latest info.
73 -Paul
kb5mu@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:51:37 -0700
From: Bryan Green <bag@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated?
To: Paul Williamson <kb5mu@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Ray Hoad <r.hoad@xxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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On Jul 8, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Paul Williamson wrote:
> That's me, I wrote and maintain the scripts that create the files on
> the FTP site from the Keps bulletins published by Ray Hoad. Thanks
> for pointing out the problem.
>
> I have replaced both nasa.all and nasabare.txt with versions from
> last week's bulletins. When Ray publishes a new set (usually on
> Friday), they will be replaced as usual with the latest info.
Thanks, Paul!
-- bag
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:55:55 EDT
From: GW1FKY@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated?
To: kb5mu@xxxxx.xxxx bag@xxx.xxx
Cc: r.hoad@xxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <bbe.508ae844.3786e06b@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi All,
I am glad that someone else has responded with this observation.
I sent an email to the BBS last week about a problem and had comment..
The keps gave the same trouble when used with my Pocket Palm software as
well as Orbitron if you stripped out the header and footer.
Thanks for your very valuable time and efforts by the way Paul , we have
become very dependant on them as a tool for tracking and predictions.
Regards
Ken Eaton
GW1FKY
Amsat - UK
Amsat NA
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:52:57 +0200
From: Allan Saul <allan@xxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Murphy on my G-5400B control box
To: Sebastian <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Sebastian,
I had the same problem on my control box last week.
Turns out there was a shorted turn in the transformer.
Remove the cables to the rotator and LVB tracker and check
you are getting the 11V and 26V AC out of the transformer.
I just sent it down to one of the specialist companies
the re-wind transformers in the area to fix it rather that
going though the pain of sending it back to Yeasu for
replacement.
Best Regards,
Allan Saul ZS1LS
-----Original Message-----
From: Sebastian [mailto:w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: 09 July 2009 01:15 AM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Murphy on my G-5400B control box
Seems I can't get a break from Murphy.
A couple of weeks ago, I received my azimuth rotor & G5400B control
box back from Yaesu after the rotor had failed.
Yesterday I noticed the control box had turned off, and was generating
a lot of heat. Sure enough, I checked the fuse, and it was blow.
Opening up the case and looking for obvious problems, such as cold
solder joints, burned components, etc., didn't show anything
interesting; other than a hot transformer.
Unit blows fuses as soon as they are replaced.
So before I call up Yaesu and am off the air for another 2 or 3 weeks,
any ideas from someone who perhaps has had the same problem? I had it
connected to my LVB tracker, which no longer functions, as I believe
it gets its power from the control box.
73 de W4AS
Sebastian
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:58:12 -0400
From: "John" <ns1z@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: controller and Rotator help
To: "Bill Howell" <bhowell@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat List"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <E95DBEA539E243B6BBE75CA6CC722083@xxxxxx>
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Here is a link to a fellow ham who produces fantastic kits/fully
assembled units. They are REAL reasonable priced and work just great.
Give him a try you will be very happy with the results.
http://www.foxdelta.com/products/satellite.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Howell" <bhowell@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Amsat List" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: controller and Rotator help
> Myles,
>
> My friend is using a Yaesu 5400 rotor (the currently available model
> is the 5500).
> I do not believe that he has had any problem with it, nor have I.
> He uses a controller created by Mark Spencer, WA8SME. Here is a link
> to the original QST page that describes it:
> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/ariss-kits/
> Note that the kit is no longer available through Mark or the ARRL.
> The boards are available through Far Circuits...
> http://www.farcircuits.net/control1.htm
> It is described as "SATELITE TRACKER INTERFACE FOR G-5500, G-5400,
> NOVA, SatPC32 BY WA8SME
> INCLUDES PROGRAMMED PIC AND BOARD".
>
> What you are buying is a circuit board and programmed PIC chip. You
> will have to buy miscellaneous parts to finish out the project.
>
> When used with MacDoppler, the "EasyCom" protocol is selected .
>
> I hope all the above is not too confusing.
>
> You mention a concern about not having access to the roof, once the
> rotor is installed.
>
> Keep in mind that at some point in the future, you may end up having
> to get up there and troubleshoot the unit or perhaps attend to a coax
> connector that is letting in the rain, etc.
>
> Bill Howell N5AB
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:44 AM, myles landstein wrote:
>
>
>> hi
>>
>> thank you very much for all the info and willingness to ask a
>> friend about his setup
>> could you in particular ask what his experience was w/the
>> rotator was it 'trouble free' for him
>>
>>
>> my biggest concern is getting a bad brand of rotator
>> because it will be very difficult for me t get the building
>> to give me access to the roof and to hire people to have to
>> climb up and replace a rotator so naturally i want to make sure
>> to get the right brand, the alpha spid seems to be double in
>> price not chump change so while i don't mind getting one,
>> i don't want to waste money if the yaesu is 'ok' and so far i
>> don't know anyone who said they had the spid perhaps it's
>> problematic or just too $$
>>
>> excuse my babble and again thanks for all
>>
>> myles
>>
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Bill Howell wrote:
>>
>>> Myles,
>>>
>>> My antennas/rotor are disassembled right now, as we are trying to
>>> sell the house.
>>> When it was all together, I used an older version of MacDoppler Pro,
>>> a Mac G4 tower with a serial card,
>>> and an Endeavour Auto Tracker ( http://endeavour-usa.com/
>>> autotracker.htm ) driving a Yaesu 5400 rotor.
>>> The system worked FB.
>>>
>>> Had I to do it over, I might not choose the Endeavour interface
>>> unit.
>>> It requires a serial port
>>> on the Mac, and I'm not sure if a serial-to USB converter would work
>>> right with it
>>> (an Imac, for instance, has no provision for a serial card).
>>>
>>> MacDoppler is an excellent program with great support.
>>> The 5400 was purchased used and has been up on my roof for a number
>>> of years with no problems.
>>>
>>> A friend of mine (who may not subscribe to this list) is using a
>>> Mac,
>>> MacDoppler and a Yaesu 5400.
>>> I will email him and see what he is using for an interface unit (I
>>> think his Mac is USB-only), and let you know.
>>>
>>> Bill Howell N5AB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:12 PM, myles landstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since no one has replied thought I might give it another try,
>>>> while perhaps not many are familiar with MacDoppler software, I
>>>> hope some would be with the hardware and wouldn't mind
>>>> offering
>>>> some help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> happy 4th
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:47 PM, myles landstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to get some real world advice from those that are using
>>>>> MacDoppler and a compatible Rotor /Controller set up as this will
>>>>> be my first time getting a rotator and controller.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to solicit some advice on two fronts, the rotor
>>>>> controller basically for ease of use with MacDoppler and
>>>>> rotor reliability.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My first thoughts were towards a Yaesu 5500 and maybe the
>>>>> PrimeTec controller or maybe the LVB tracker as it's less costly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read a few reviews but not much was out there in general but
>>>>> especially on the PrimeTec...
>>>>
>>>> Anyone using the PrimeTec?
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you using as a controller? would appreciate any
>>>>> comparisons pro's cons tips tricks you might have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My biggest concern really is the Rotator. I am in a situation such
>>>>> that after installation, getting back to the roof for repairs
>>>>> would be rather difficult. So i am trying to identify the 'best'
>>>>> small/moderate sized rotator (az/el) as possible /practical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will be turning a small M2 2m and 440 circular pol beam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really sure how reliable the 5500 is for long term use. so
>>>>> if there was a 'better' more reliable and or longer lasting rotor
>>>>> out there i'd strongly consider it
>>>>>
>>>>> The only thing I thought of as a alternative was the AlphaSpid but
>>>>> comparing reviews I seem to come out about the same between it and
>>>>> the 5500 -hoping some real world responses might help me break
>>>>> the
>>>>> 'tie'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this is all new stuff and I am not finding the usual
>>>>> quality 'google' results /reviews (PrimeTec) I would greatly
>>>>> appreciate any
>>>>> help or experience /advice on this from someone that went down
>>>>> this road already and willing to share some first hand info on
>>>>> what
>>>>> they use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks very much grateful for any advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Going to Dayton '10 It will get better with
>>>>> more support!
>>>>>
>>>>> Myles D Landstein
>>>>> N2EHG
>>>>> myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Myles Landstein
>>>> myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx
>>>> please note my new email address
>>>> dti will soon be eliminated , gmail is my new home update your dir
>>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:10:19 EDT
From: Cotejaune2@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net Tonight On Echolink
n2eyh-L At 8 PM EST
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It's time again for the Hudson Valley Satcom Group Net. Join us On Echolink
n2eyh-L at 8 PM EST. If you are in the Hudson Valley area we will be on the
Mt.Beacon repeater 146970 pl 100. We usually have one or two Amsat are
coordinators on the net to answer any questions you may have. Join us and
share
any info on your recent satellite contacts or your station. All are welcome.
Hope to hear you there.
73
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:34:08 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS
Re: Re:dream)
To: "'Bob Bruninga '" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, <kd8bxp@xxx.xxx>, "'Ben
Jackson'" <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Everyone,
I want to appologize for the tone (using caps for emphasis which
comes across as shouting!) of my message about asking the FCC
for opinions. I had just come back off of a week off line while
taking care of my mom and was surprised to see the pager debate
still raging.
So nothing was directed at anyone in particular, it was just a
rant to the walls.. Please do not be offended. Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
> [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Bob Bruninga
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:53 PM
> To: kd8bxp@xxx.xxxx Ben Jackson
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and
> Pagers (WAS Re: Re:dream)
>
> > Ben, I agree we need a ruling on this
> > I think part 97 is vauge and vauge for a reason
>
> THIS IS INSANITY!!!!
>
> The FCC is nothing but a bunch of bureaucrats trying to sell
> off spectrum to the highest bidder! There are no real
> engineers left there, and no one there with OUR interest in
> mind. It is ABSURD to go running to to the FCC to ask for a
ruling!!!
>
> > What we need is to setup a conferance call or
> > something so we can get a well written letter
> > together and get it off to someone who can
> > make a ruleing at the FCC
>
> ABSOLUTELY NOT. That is lunacy. Instead of laying out such
> kind of completely open ended paperdrill and wasted effort,
> spend our time developing a system using pagers in our
> network. Geeze. We are licensed amateurs, we KNOW the
> rules, we KNOW what amateur radio can do, and WE KNOW what
> kind of benefits we can produce. We ALSO know what is not
> legal when we hear it. And using Pagers as part of the
> amateur radio text messaging system IS NOT ILLEGAL!
>
> > Define a system and descuss the possablities of
> > doing call sign routing, sending the pages up
> > to a satellite ect ect. But before "we" put a
> > lot of time and effort and money into this
> > I think we need a ruling
>
> NO!!! HARDLY ANY TECHNOLOGY in amateur radio has ever been
> successfully developed that way. All that develops is a lot
> of HOT AIR and useless paper. Progress has RARELY IF EVER
> BEEN developed by committee.
>
> Progress in Amateur Radio is made by inspired individuals who
> see a need, and go off and develop something using their own
> money, time and effort. The best way to KILL any good idea
> is to form a committee that squashes any initiative and
> progress by overbearing hot air and "geeze wouldnt it be nice
> if we did this.... where "WE" is some other guy who can
> actually DO something.
>
> > I know for a fact that our local repeater is
> > cabable of doing 2 tone paging - and was in
> > use back when I was very young and not a ham
> > - the elders of the local club say it was
> > able to send alerts for weather, pages for
> > people to get on the radio, ect. It was all
> > done with tones at the time - "our" pagers
> > are far more advanced and can display the
> > text of whatever
>
> Using PAGING devices to communicate on amateur radio has
> always been legal. If you want to make things illegal, then
> look at the application and how they are used. If they are
> used for the benefit of all the intents and benefits of legal
> amateur communications, then they are legal. If they are
> used for paging to violate the intents and meaning of amateur
> radio, then such an application is illegal. It is the
> APPLICATION AND USE that is legal or illegal, it is NOT THE
DEVICE!
>
> > No one in the club can tell me why they
> > stopped using pagers -
>
> Probably because some nit-picking obstructionist spent all
> his time trying to find a way to convince others that it was
> illegal... And everyone else gave up in disgust.
>
> > But at around the same time they stopped paging,
> > kantronics also stopped modify pagers for 2
> > meters,
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > We need to setup something and get as many
> > people as we can write up a well written
> > paper and get a ruling.
>
>
> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE NO.
>
> > I think as we see here agurements can be
> > made on both sides.
>
> Which you can get on any topic on any subjct whenever you
> have more than one person in a room!
>
> > Which is why we need a ruling.
>
> No, which is exactly why we get a license and read the rules
> and take good ideas for amateur radio and move out, and do
> not waste time laying paper at the feet of a bunch of
> bureaucrats who could care less. The motivation of most
> bureaucrats is simply how is the best way to get this paper
> off my desk, and the answer is to simply say NO rather than
> say YES, which could only expand to other issues...
>
> > When rules are written this vague, some one
> > needs to decide and stand by the decision
>
> HUh? They make it vague so that we can move forward without
> being nit-picked by aremchair hams turning over rocks trying
> to find ways to kill progress by playing bureaucrat.
>
> VAGUE IS GOOD! It means PROCEED!!!
>
> >------Original Message------
> >Subject: Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers
> >
> > We'll agree to disagree regarding your take
> > of the rules as almost everyone else did
> > on APRSSIG. ;)
> >
> >> There is no reason to nit pick rules. When
> >> one is broadcasting (one >> way) to the general
> >> public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I
> >> think everyone can tell when something is
> >> blatanly illegal. I just don't see the FCC
> >> cares one nit about some of these debates when
> >> any one can see that hams are taking initiative
> >> to better their use of the radio art.
> >
> > Considering that they've recently ruled on
> > whether contesters should give blanket
> > "5-by-9" signals, I'd think they'd be glad
> > to rule on something interesting and relevant.
>
> THEY WILL RULE ON ANYTHING! And that is the LAST thing we
> want or need. There is just no reason to be running to
> bureaucrats with stupid questions, or you get stupid answers!
>
> >>> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who
> >>> have nothing better to do than nit-pick
> >>> ways to prevent other hams from developing
> >>> useful applications of technology. A pager
> >>> is simply the text-to-user device integrated
> >>> into the normal local 2-way amateur radio
> >>> communications system.
>
> >> The issue is that, according to Part 97,
> >> it can't be used beyond QSTs, telemetry,
> >> or "necessary" emergency communications.
>
> WHAT IS THE "IT" here? The "IT" is "ONE WAY BROADCASTS". and
> that has nothing to do with the hardware. STOP READING "IT"
> AS PAGERS. They are separate entities.
>
> ONE WAY BROADCASTS beyond the scope of amateur radio are
> clearly illegal.
>
> Making the stretch to declare all pagers to be ONE WAY
> BROADCASTS is just as silly (in an amateur radio
> communications network) as declaring that ALL TRANSMITTERS
> are illegal because they are also ONE WAY!!!
>
> >>> Could I get away with setting up such a
> >>> system? Likely. Do I foot to stand
> >>> on when my local OO comes knocking?
> >>> Not so much.
> >>
> >> Some OO's are part of the problem,
> >> not the solution...
> >
> > Then the solution has presented itself.
> > Get a ruling from the FCC regarding the
> > use of transmissions to receive-only
> > devices such as pagers.
>
> Oh, this is absurd. EVERY receiver is a receive-only
> device!!! and every TRANSMITTER is a transmit only device.
> It is NOT THE DEVICE that determines legality, it is the
APPLICATION.
>
> > Then we can finally put this issue to rest
> > and if anyone comes knocking regarding the
> > legality of these transmissions, we can have
> > something concrete to cite.
>
> Yes, and what you will site is some bureaucratic off the wall
> decision made in the vacuum of engineering that exists at the
> FCC made in the best interest of the FCC which is to decalare
> most anything brought before it as illegal simply to clear
> their desk of these stupid "requests for opinions".
>
> > Again, I'd love to set up something like this,
> > but I'd be hard pressed to spend a chunk of
> > money on a system that could be taken down if
> > someone files a complaint to the FCC.
>
> Pagers are being sold for scrap metal. If someone cannot
> afford maybe $10 for a crystal to put in a practically free
> pager to get it on the air, then amateur radio is probably
> not a good hobby for him.
>
> > Let's take any further discussion about this offline.
>
> LETS STOP DISCUSSING IT AND SPEND OUR TIME DOING IT!
>
> Again, nothing technical in amateur radio gets done by
> nit-picking rules, and forming committees, and running off to
> the FCC, it is individuals that see an opportunity and have
> the ability to move out and accomplish it.
>
> THe worst part of amateur radio is all the nit-pickers and
> ankle biters that hold back progress. Sometimes they win and
> the guy in the lead just gives up. SOmetimes these guys with
> an idea get far enough ahead of the nit-pickers and ankle
> biters, that the great silent majority of amateurs begin to
> think outside of their boxes and start to slowly get on board.
>
> Of course the nit-pickers and ankle biters will always be
> there to the end, but hopefully they are in the minority and
> the majority will continue to move forward.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:04:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: w6zkh@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cleaning oxidation from antenna
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Recently picked up 2 yagi's that were near coastal locations, and the boom and
elements are oxidized. What is the best method to clean this? Just 'good ole
elbow grease and Scotchbrite pad' or something else. Nothing seems to be
pitted or deteriorated, just "ugly".
John W6ZKH
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