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Today's Topics:
1. TekSharp dish antennas? (Mark L. Hammond)
2. Re: qsl card (n1jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
3. Re: down converter (don)
4. FM29 Delaware (John Papay)
5. Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated? (Bryan Green)
6. Re: down converter (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
7. Re: controller and Rotator help (Bill Howell)
8. Murphy on my G-5400B control box (Sebastian)
9. 3/16" stainless retainers (R. Chastain)
10. Re: Murphy on my G-5400B control box (Sebastian)
11. Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:
Re:dream) (Bob Bruninga )
12. Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re:
Re:dream) (Tony Langdon)
13. Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (Rich Dailey (Gmail))
14. OT: Pager info - my bad (Rich Dailey)
15. Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (kd8bxp@xxx.xxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:49:13 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] TekSharp dish antennas?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Does anybody on the list have any hands-on experiene with a TekSharp
dish and tri-band patch feed?
http://www.plumdragon.com/teksharp/hr_AO-40_products.htm
http://www.plumdragon.com/teksharp/hr_details_AO_40_SLU.htm
I'm curious about the 1.8M dish in particular...performance, product
longevity, wind load, and ability to use it on a G-5500, etc.
If anybody has one of these setups for sale at a bargain price, let me
know that, too :)
Thanks for any info!
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:02:28 -0400
From: <n1jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: qsl card
To: "Scott Smith" <ve6itv@xxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Scott,
Mine arrived yesterday. It definitely goes up on the wall with the others -
R0MIR - RR0DL - NA1SS - RS0ISS and all the STS cards!
73,
Mike, N1JEZ
AMSAT 29649
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Smith" <ve6itv@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: qsl card
> Hi folks, i received my qsl card from Richard Garriott in the mail today.
> Thanks to all who were involved in getting those cards in the mail. It
> sure looks nice. 73 de VE6ITV Scott
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:12:52 +1200
From: don <donmc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: down converter
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> Maybe if you looked on Google you'd find it yourself.
>
> PE0SAT wrote:
>
>> Maybe, if you give some extra information about this down converter?
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Wow,
Google can tell me the model number,fittings,serial number, etc
that the seller of this converter would normally supply.
Truly amazing.....
Don,
ZL1THO
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:38:50 -0400
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM29 Delaware
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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K8YSE/P will be operating in FM29, Delaware starting
Thursday evening. I plan to be on every visible FM pass
on Friday, Saturday and possibly Sunday morning.
I know that ND9M worked from Delaware a few weeks ago
and made a lot of contacts. But for those that missed
him, especially those in the western States, this will
be your chance to try to work DE. I will be on AO51,
SO50 and AO27.
Equipment is a Kenwood TM-V7A with a UPS battery and
the Arrow antenna. I will look for locations where you
can see down low on the horizon to the west. The power is
set very low on AO51 but I hope to be able to hear it if
I can see it.
I should have internet if there are any questions.
k8yse@xxxxx.xxx
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:44:20 -0700
From: Bryan Green <bag@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Bare NASA (2-line) format elements truncated?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Greetings, all:
Minor emergency: the "Bare NASA (2-line) format elements page" appears to be
truncated:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
This in turn means that my beloved GoSatWatch software is no-worky!
Who fixes these things?
-- bag
KL7CN/W6 * CM98, usually * AMSAT #23202
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:44:12 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: down converter
To: don <donmc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Obviously more amazing than you.
He already had the manufacturer and model number.
He said it was a AIDC 3731 down converter.
That's sufficient to find full specifications on several web sites.
He was just too lazy to look.
don wrote:
> Wow,
> Google can tell me the model number,fittings,serial number, etc
> that the seller of this converter would normally supply.
>
> Truly amazing.....
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:00:13 -0500
From: Bill Howell <bhowell@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: controller and Rotator help
To: Amsat List <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Myles,
My friend is using a Yaesu 5400 rotor (the currently available model
is the 5500).
I do not believe that he has had any problem with it, nor have I.
He uses a controller created by Mark Spencer, WA8SME. Here is a link
to the original QST page that describes it:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/ariss-kits/
Note that the kit is no longer available through Mark or the ARRL.
The boards are available through Far Circuits...
http://www.farcircuits.net/control1.htm
It is described as "SATELITE TRACKER INTERFACE FOR G-5500, G-5400,
NOVA, SatPC32 BY WA8SME
INCLUDES PROGRAMMED PIC AND BOARD".
What you are buying is a circuit board and programmed PIC chip. You
will have to buy miscellaneous parts to finish out the project.
When used with MacDoppler, the "EasyCom" protocol is selected .
I hope all the above is not too confusing.
You mention a concern about not having access to the roof, once the
rotor is installed.
Keep in mind that at some point in the future, you may end up having
to get up there and troubleshoot the unit or perhaps attend to a coax
connector that is letting in the rain, etc.
Bill Howell N5AB
On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:44 AM, myles landstein wrote:
> hi
>
> thank you very much for all the info and willingness to ask a
> friend about his setup
> could you in particular ask what his experience was w/the
> rotator was it 'trouble free' for him
>
>
> my biggest concern is getting a bad brand of rotator
> because it will be very difficult for me t get the building
> to give me access to the roof and to hire people to have to
> climb up and replace a rotator so naturally i want to make sure
> to get the right brand, the alpha spid seems to be double in
> price not chump change so while i don't mind getting one,
> i don't want to waste money if the yaesu is 'ok' and so far i
> don't know anyone who said they had the spid perhaps it's
> problematic or just too $$
>
> excuse my babble and again thanks for all
>
> myles
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:02 PM, Bill Howell wrote:
>
>> Myles,
>>
>> My antennas/rotor are disassembled right now, as we are trying to
>> sell the house.
>> When it was all together, I used an older version of MacDoppler Pro,
>> a Mac G4 tower with a serial card,
>> and an Endeavour Auto Tracker ( http://endeavour-usa.com/
>> autotracker.htm ) driving a Yaesu 5400 rotor.
>> The system worked FB.
>>
>> Had I to do it over, I might not choose the Endeavour interface unit.
>> It requires a serial port
>> on the Mac, and I'm not sure if a serial-to USB converter would work
>> right with it
>> (an Imac, for instance, has no provision for a serial card).
>>
>> MacDoppler is an excellent program with great support.
>> The 5400 was purchased used and has been up on my roof for a number
>> of years with no problems.
>>
>> A friend of mine (who may not subscribe to this list) is using a Mac,
>> MacDoppler and a Yaesu 5400.
>> I will email him and see what he is using for an interface unit (I
>> think his Mac is USB-only), and let you know.
>>
>> Bill Howell N5AB
>>
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:12 PM, myles landstein wrote:
>>
>>> Since no one has replied thought I might give it another try,
>>> while perhaps not many are familiar with MacDoppler software, I
>>> hope some would be with the hardware and wouldn't mind offering
>>> some help?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> happy 4th
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:47 PM, myles landstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hoping to get some real world advice from those that are using
>>>> MacDoppler and a compatible Rotor /Controller set up as this will
>>>> be my first time getting a rotator and controller.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to solicit some advice on two fronts, the rotor
>>>> controller basically for ease of use with MacDoppler and
>>>> rotor reliability.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My first thoughts were towards a Yaesu 5500 and maybe the
>>>> PrimeTec controller or maybe the LVB tracker as it's less costly.
>>>>
>>>> I read a few reviews but not much was out there in general but
>>>> especially on the PrimeTec...
>>>
>>> Anyone using the PrimeTec?
>>>>
>>>> What are you using as a controller? would appreciate any
>>>> comparisons pro's cons tips tricks you might have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My biggest concern really is the Rotator. I am in a situation such
>>>> that after installation, getting back to the roof for repairs
>>>> would be rather difficult. So i am trying to identify the 'best'
>>>> small/moderate sized rotator (az/el) as possible /practical.
>>>>
>>>> Will be turning a small M2 2m and 440 circular pol beam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really sure how reliable the 5500 is for long term use. so
>>>> if there was a 'better' more reliable and or longer lasting rotor
>>>> out there i'd strongly consider it
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I thought of as a alternative was the AlphaSpid but
>>>> comparing reviews I seem to come out about the same between it and
>>>> the 5500 -hoping some real world responses might help me break
>>>> the
>>>> 'tie'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since this is all new stuff and I am not finding the usual
>>>> quality 'google' results /reviews (PrimeTec) I would greatly
>>>> appreciate any
>>>> help or experience /advice on this from someone that went down
>>>> this road already and willing to share some first hand info on what
>>>> they use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks very much grateful for any advice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Going to Dayton '10 It will get better with
>>>> more support!
>>>>
>>>> Myles D Landstein
>>>> N2EHG
>>>> myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Myles Landstein
>>> myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx
>>> please note my new email address
>>> dti will soon be eliminated , gmail is my new home update your dir
>>>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Myles Landstein
> myles.landstein@xxxxx.xxx
> please note my new email address
> dti will soon be eliminated , gmail is my new home update your dir
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:15:19 -0400
From: Sebastian <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Murphy on my G-5400B control box
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Seems I can't get a break from Murphy.
A couple of weeks ago, I received my azimuth rotor & G5400B control
box back from Yaesu after the rotor had failed.
Yesterday I noticed the control box had turned off, and was generating
a lot of heat. Sure enough, I checked the fuse, and it was blow.
Opening up the case and looking for obvious problems, such as cold
solder joints, burned components, etc., didn't show anything
interesting; other than a hot transformer.
Unit blows fuses as soon as they are replaced.
So before I call up Yaesu and am off the air for another 2 or 3 weeks,
any ideas from someone who perhaps has had the same problem? I had it
connected to my LVB tracker, which no longer functions, as I believe
it gets its power from the control box.
73 de W4AS
Sebastian
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:36:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Chastain" <suenrod@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 3/16" stainless retainers
To: Amsat-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Anyone know where the least expensive place is to purchase 3/16" stainless
steel retainer washers?
Thanks,
RoD
KD0XX
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:50:54 -0400
From: Sebastian <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Murphy on my G-5400B control box
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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> That's not good news Kevin, but I appreciate the response.
>
> I found my stash of glass fuses from the last hamfest, and unplugged
> the cables from both rotors, and as expected, it blows the fuse
> immediately.
>
> If it's the azimuth rotor, I should be ok, since it just came back
> from Yaesu a couple of months ago. If it's the elevation, I had
> that one repaired based on the recommendations of another ham here,
> so both have been looked at in the last few months.
>
> Guess I'll call Yaesu tomorrow and ask them how to proceed.
>
> I spent years just moving the rotors by looking at SATPC32, and then
> I decided to get an LVB to make things easier, and that's what I get
> for fixing something that wasn't broken. I'm not blaming the LVB,
> it's just that it was great having it align the antennas for me.
> Unfortunately, I didn't get to use it for too long.
>
> I also found a couple of day ago that my radio was putting out very
> lower power, and couldn't hear AO-51. I checked the SWR, and it was
> sky high. I knew the beams were ok, so I suspected the coax. I
> found my LMR400 had a soldered center conductor, and a crimped
> shield! I couldn't believe a company would sell rf coax with
> crimped connectors. So I'm in the process of replacing those.
>
> The idea of using a Ham M type rotor (I have a couple spares), and a
> Radio Shack rotor for elevation is sounding pretty good right now.
>
> 73 de W4AS
> Sebastian
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Kevin Schuchmann wrote:
> Sebastian,
> unfortunately your describing a shorted transformer, unplug both az
> and el cables and then see if
> it still blows fuses, if it does the transformer has probably
> shorted, and more bad news it also means
> either the az or el motor is probably also shorted and gone.
>
> The Yaesu rotors have a bad track record for getting a cable snag or
> a problem inside where a motor
> jams and then overheats and shorts and then it takes out the
> transformer...
>
> :-(
>
> Kevin WA6FWF
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:53:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS
Re: Re:dream)
To: kd8bxp@xxx.xxxx Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090708195300.AKB95488@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
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> Ben, I agree we need a ruling on this
> I think part 97 is vauge and vauge for a reason
THIS IS INSANITY!!!!
The FCC is nothing but a bunch of bureaucrats trying to sell off spectrum to
the highest bidder! There are no real engineers left there, and no one there
with OUR interest in mind. It is ABSURD to go running to to the FCC to ask
for a ruling!!!
> What we need is to setup a conferance call or
> something so we can get a well written letter
> together and get it off to someone who can
> make a ruleing at the FCC
ABSOLUTELY NOT. That is lunacy. Instead of laying out such kind of completely
open ended paperdrill and wasted effort, spend our time developing a system
using pagers in our network. Geeze. We are licensed amateurs, we KNOW the
rules, we KNOW what amateur radio can do, and WE KNOW what kind of benefits we
can produce. We ALSO know what is not legal when we hear it. And using
Pagers as part of the amateur radio text messaging system IS NOT ILLEGAL!
> Define a system and descuss the possablities of
> doing call sign routing, sending the pages up
> to a satellite ect ect. But before "we" put a
> lot of time and effort and money into this
> I think we need a ruling
NO!!! HARDLY ANY TECHNOLOGY in amateur radio has ever been successfully
developed that way. All that develops is a lot of HOT AIR and useless paper.
Progress has RARELY IF EVER BEEN developed by committee.
Progress in Amateur Radio is made by inspired individuals who see a need, and
go off and develop something using their own money, time and effort. The best
way to KILL any good idea is to form a committee that squashes any initiative
and progress by overbearing hot air and "geeze wouldnt it be nice if we did
this.... where "WE" is some other guy who can actually DO something.
> I know for a fact that our local repeater is
> cabable of doing 2 tone paging - and was in
> use back when I was very young and not a ham
> - the elders of the local club say it was
> able to send alerts for weather, pages for
> people to get on the radio, ect. It was all
> done with tones at the time - "our" pagers
> are far more advanced and can display the
> text of whatever
Using PAGING devices to communicate on amateur radio has always been legal.
If you want to make things illegal, then look at the application and how they
are used. If they are used for the benefit of all the intents and benefits of
legal amateur communications, then they are legal. If they are used for
paging to violate the intents and meaning of amateur radio, then such an
application is illegal. It is the APPLICATION AND USE that is legal or
illegal, it is NOT THE DEVICE!
> No one in the club can tell me why they
> stopped using pagers -
Probably because some nit-picking obstructionist spent all his time trying to
find a way to convince others that it was illegal... And everyone else gave
up in disgust.
> But at around the same time they stopped paging,
> kantronics also stopped modify pagers for 2
> meters,
<SNIP>
> We need to setup something and get as many
> people as we can write up a well written
> paper and get a ruling.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE NO.
> I think as we see here agurements can be
> made on both sides.
Which you can get on any topic on any subjct whenever you have more than one
person in a room!
> Which is why we need a ruling.
No, which is exactly why we get a license and read the rules and take good
ideas for amateur radio and move out, and do not waste time laying paper at
the feet of a bunch of bureaucrats who could care less. The motivation of
most bureaucrats is simply how is the best way to get this paper off my desk,
and the answer is to simply say NO rather than say YES, which could only
expand to other issues...
> When rules are written this vague, some one
> needs to decide and stand by the decision
HUh? They make it vague so that we can move forward without being nit-picked
by aremchair hams turning over rocks trying to find ways to kill progress by
playing bureaucrat.
VAGUE IS GOOD! It means PROCEED!!!
>------Original Message------
>Subject: Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers
>
> We'll agree to disagree regarding your take
> of the rules as almost everyone else did
> on APRSSIG. ;)
>
>> There is no reason to nit pick rules. When
>> one is broadcasting (one >> way) to the general
>> public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I
>> think everyone can tell when something is
>> blatanly illegal. I just don't see the FCC
>> cares one nit about some of these debates when
>> any one can see that hams are taking initiative
>> to better their use of the radio art.
>
> Considering that they've recently ruled on
> whether contesters should give blanket
> "5-by-9" signals, I'd think they'd be glad
> to rule on something interesting and relevant.
THEY WILL RULE ON ANYTHING! And that is the LAST thing we want or need.
There is just no reason to be running to bureaucrats with stupid questions, or
you get stupid answers!
>>> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who
>>> have nothing better to do than nit-pick
>>> ways to prevent other hams from developing
>>> useful applications of technology. A pager
>>> is simply the text-to-user device integrated
>>> into the normal local 2-way amateur radio
>>> communications system.
>> The issue is that, according to Part 97,
>> it can't be used beyond QSTs, telemetry,
>> or "necessary" emergency communications.
WHAT IS THE "IT" here? The "IT" is "ONE WAY BROADCASTS". and that has nothing
to do with the hardware. STOP READING "IT" AS PAGERS. They are separate
entities.
ONE WAY BROADCASTS beyond the scope of amateur radio are clearly illegal.
Making the stretch to declare all pagers to be ONE WAY BROADCASTS is just as
silly (in an amateur radio communications network) as declaring that ALL
TRANSMITTERS are illegal because they are also ONE WAY!!!
>>> Could I get away with setting up such a
>>> system? Likely. Do I foot to stand
>>> on when my local OO comes knocking?
>>> Not so much.
>>
>> Some OO's are part of the problem,
>> not the solution...
>
> Then the solution has presented itself.
> Get a ruling from the FCC regarding the
> use of transmissions to receive-only
> devices such as pagers.
Oh, this is absurd. EVERY receiver is a receive-only device!!! and every
TRANSMITTER is a transmit only device. It is NOT THE DEVICE that determines
legality, it is the APPLICATION.
> Then we can finally put this issue to rest
> and if anyone comes knocking regarding the
> legality of these transmissions, we can have
> something concrete to cite.
Yes, and what you will site is some bureaucratic off the wall decision made in
the vacuum of engineering that exists at the FCC made in the best interest of
the FCC which is to decalare most anything brought before it as illegal simply
to clear their desk of these stupid "requests for opinions".
> Again, I'd love to set up something like this,
> but I'd be hard pressed to spend a chunk of
> money on a system that could be taken down if
> someone files a complaint to the FCC.
Pagers are being sold for scrap metal. If someone cannot afford maybe $10 for
a crystal to put in a practically free pager to get it on the air, then
amateur radio is probably not a good hobby for him.
> Let's take any further discussion about this offline.
LETS STOP DISCUSSING IT AND SPEND OUR TIME DOING IT!
Again, nothing technical in amateur radio gets done by nit-picking rules, and
forming committees, and running off to the FCC, it is individuals that see an
opportunity and have the ability to move out and accomplish it.
THe worst part of amateur radio is all the nit-pickers and ankle biters that
hold back progress. Sometimes they win and the guy in the lead just gives up.
SOmetimes these guys with an idea get far enough ahead of the nit-pickers and
ankle biters, that the great silent majority of amateurs begin to think
outside of their boxes and start to slowly get on board.
Of course the nit-pickers and ankle biters will always be there to the end,
but hopefully they are in the minority and the majority will continue to move
forward.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:06:18 +1000
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS
Re: Re:dream)
To: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, kd8bxp@xxx.xxxxxxxx Jackson
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At 09:53 AM 7/9/2009, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>THe worst part of amateur radio is all the nit-pickers and ankle
>biters that hold back progress. Sometimes they win and the guy in
>the lead just gives up. SOmetimes these guys with an idea get far
>enough ahead of the nit-pickers and ankle biters, that the great
>silent majority of amateurs begin to think outside of their boxes
>and start to slowly get on board.
I agree totally, and used their inertia to advantage. Back in 2001,
I was an early adopter of IRLP in Australia. There were only 2 or 3
other nodes established, and I got some interest going in VK3 to get
one setup. Basically, we worked relatively quietly, then when all
was ready, we threw the switch and gave talks around the local radio
clubs. By the time the nit pickers woke up to what was going on, the
average ham was just enjoying the technology. Some even made contact
with friends they hadn't heard from for decades. The upshot is that
everyone had to get used to IRLP being around, and the focus shifted
from "is it legal?" to "How can we best manage this new gadget?"
:) The ACMA itself wrote a document clarifying the regulations
surrounding VoIP (which still left a few open questions), and later,
the regulations were changed to be even more VoIP (and phone patch) friendly.
I wouldn't hesitate to use a similar approach to introduce some other
new technology into the hobby. I'll only ask for a legal opinion
when the authorities themselves decide one is needed, not
before. Until then, I will play with new technologies, and try to
stick to the band plan and the ham spirit to the best of my ability.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:12:57 -0400
From: "Rich Dailey (Gmail)" <redailey1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers
To: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
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At 07:53 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>THIS IS INSANITY!!!!
I'm with Bob on this. The paging device itself is no more illegal than the
AIDC downconverters I
used on my ao-40 dishes. It's the application, not the device. The FCC
leaves certain interpretations broad
enough to give us experimental elbow room. We are experimenters, right? I
think we know what the rules say.
We can integrate FCC compliance into the protocol, surely.
Let's not bring commandments down on ourselves that will stifle
experimentation with this surplus equipment.
Bob, I've googled my heart out trying to find any info on modding pagers to
bring them into our bands, with
no joy. Any groups out there working on them? Mailing lists?
Rich, N8UX
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:16:51 -0400
From: Rich Dailey <richdailey@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] OT: Pager info - my bad
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Found plenty of pager hacking info via a better worded google search. I
guarantee you those guys are not concerned
with FCC compliance.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:22:42 +0000
From: kd8bxp@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers
To: "Rich Dailey (Gmail)" <redailey1@xxxxx.xxx>,
amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
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Rich
I can answer that - there are a number of people who talk about pagers.
Almost everything I found out about them was via google
There is the group in MI he doesn't say much but did answer my emails -
http://www.power-now.biz/mepin home.htm (there is a space between mepin and
home)
A group in austrial has quite a bit of information that site is
http://home.lizzy.com.au/syntor/POCSAG.html
If you google POCSAG you will find all kinds of stuff about how the protocal
works
There was a book that I found in pdf later I think (and I used to know for
sure) it was paging for the radio amateur or something like that
LeRoy, KD8BXP
http://www.HamOhio.com
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To: Bob Bruninga
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers
Sent: Jul 8, 2009 9:12 PM
At 07:53 PM 7/8/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>THIS IS INSANITY!!!!
I'm with Bob on this. The paging device itself is no more illegal than the
AIDC downconverters I
used on my ao-40 dishes. It's the application, not the device. The FCC
leaves certain interpretations broad
enough to give us experimental elbow room. We are experimenters, right? I
think we know what the rules say.
We can integrate FCC compliance into the protocol, surely.
Let's not bring commandments down on ourselves that will stifle
experimentation with this surplus equipment.
Bob, I've googled my heart out trying to find any info on modding pagers to
bring them into our bands, with
no joy. Any groups out there working on them? Mailing lists?
Rich, N8UX
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