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Today's Topics:
1. Re: dream .. Universal Text Messaging (Bob Bruninga )
2. Re: dream your own sat (Joe)
3. Re: I just curious (Tony Langdon)
4. Re: Original 13 Colonies - thanks to all! (Mark Lunday)
5. AO-7 distortion (w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxxx
6. Re: AO-7 distortion (Glenn AA5PK)
7. Re: I just curious (Art McBride)
8. Re: AO-7 distortion (Fabiano Moser)
9. Original 13 Colonies (Peter)
10. ILN... Is this our future ride to the moon? MM (MM)
11. Re: ILN... Is this our future ride to the moon? MM (James French)
12. For Sale - Assorted Satellite Related Items (A.J. Farmer)
13. Uncommon/Rare Michigan Grids This Week (Doug Papay)
14. In between the moon and the moonnist.. (Luc Leblanc)
15. Information. (John Hackett)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:15:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: dream .. Universal Text Messaging
To: kd8bxp@xxx.xxxx amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx B. Stephensen"
<kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>, kc6uqh@xxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxx red'"
<rupert.red@xxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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> I had an idea of setting up a pager network.
> That could be used for national or local
> emegrancy.... There is a man in MI doing this
> with his APRS group and emegancy coms now.
> I like the idea of being able to text any call
> sign by just knowing the call sign -
Yes, that is the goal of the Universal Text Messaging Initiative.
www.aprs.org/aprs-messaging.html
> doesn't DStar offer a way to do this?
Yes via client software called D-Rats. It cross connects messages from D-Rats
laptops to the APRS system, where for years text messages are delivered to the
front panel of any APRS mobile or hand held radio, cellphones, pagers or
anything via any callsign @xxxx.xxx or @xxxxx.xxx etc
> It would or shouldn't be too hard to setup
> a way for someone to know the call and have it
> routed to a pager.
Yes, that is the goal, any message to any call, using any device for sending
or receiving.
> It is still an idea but at this point it
> is just an idea.
No it is more than that, it is an Initiative that we hope more authors and
systems will get on board. We have been trying to get an article into QST on
this subject since last November, and it will finally appear in the Septermber
EMCOM issue of QST. (initiall they rejected it because it was not "broad
enough to appeal to a majority of readers" or something like that.
But with over two dozen text messaging systems in Amateur Radio already, we
have just got to start linking them otogether seamlessly!
> LeRoy, KD8BXP
> http://www.HamOhio.com
> Sent on the Now Network?
> from my Sprint? BlackBerry
Yes! That's the idea!
Bob, WB4APR
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
>
>Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:01:25
>To: John B. Stephensen<kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>; <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>; 'rupert
red'<rupert.red@xxxx.xx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: dream your own sat
>
>
>> Any interest by the Red Cross would not be in the
>> satellite but in human volunteers that might come
>> with it. Unfortunately, the LEO satellites that
>> hams can afford generate little interest in this forum.
>
>I wish we could some how better influence the dozens of cubesat satellites
being built with AX.25 packet comm systems to at least consider a backup
digipeater comm system. If just six of these allowed for a possibility of
user digipeating, we would have a constellation that would provide worldwide
text messaging capability from mobiles and handhelds with delays no more than
30 minutes.
>
>What a fantastic emergency comm system we could have. If ten of them were
available, then the coverage would be nearly continuous.
>
>Amateur Radio needs to recognize its trememdous legacy of over a century of
wireless text messaging and our ability to bring that connectivity to the
field any time anywhere. We simply need to link them together to meet our
overall "Universal Amateur Radio Text Messaging Initiative", that is, any ham,
any where, any time, able to text message any other ham anywhere using any
hardware device, commercial or amateur by callsign alone.
>
>Please see www.aprs.org/aprs-messaging.html
>
>I count over 2 dozen existing amateur radio text messaging systems few of
which are currently crossconnected. Most talk only within their own
constituents. APRS and some others are already cross connected at the email
level which then connects to cellphones and other wireless devices. So
crossconnecting at the APRS internetwork or at the email level is easy to do.
We just need all authors to consider transparent cross connection as a goal as
per the above web page.
>
>This has already been done for all APRS satellites and even the ARISS system
when it came over the the Satellite APRS channel 145.825. When ARISS is in
packet mode, it enables text messaging and Email to and from the front panel
of any APRS radio in the world via our existing network of APRS ground
stations. See the downlinks on www.ariss.net
>
>We have tried to get other packet satellites on that channel, SUNSAT, PCSAT1,
PCSAT2, ANDE, RAFT and ISS all of which supported this universal text
messaging. We need more, and longer lived satelites. And most any AX.25
cubesat could do it as a secondary mission. We need to look for opportunities
there.
>
>We had GO32 also for a year or so until its recent demise, though it's
frequency was different.
>
>Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:18:06 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: dream your own sat
To: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Ion Drive,
Just kidding!
Joe WB9SBD
Trevor . wrote:
>The recently launched TerreStar-1 is designed to provides emergency comms
capability
>http://www.southgatearc.org/news/july2009/terrestar_1_launched.htm
>
>The basic problem is that Amateurs want linear transponder satellites in
orbits above 1400 km in order to provide reasonable DX opportunities and pass
times greater than 20 minutes. But "cheap" launches only seem to be available
for 500-800 km orbits, so we need to find a way to increase the orbit of say a
triple-cubesat from 700 km to 1400 km using a non-combustive technology so as
not to upset the cheap launch provider.
>
>Providing the radio communications is by comparison a trival exercise it's
finding a means (solar powered thrusters ?) to increase orbital height that's
the tricky part.
>
>73 Trevor M5AKA
>
>--- On Sun, 5/7/09, John B. Stephensen <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
>
>>From: John B. Stephensen <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: dream your own sat
>>To: kc6uqh@xxx.xxxx "'rupert red'" <rupert.red@xxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>Date: Sunday, 5 July, 2009, 9:54 PM
>>The problem is that amateur radio
>>doesn't significantly reduce the cost of a
>>satellite. Any interest by the Red Cross would not be in
>>the satellite but
>>in human volunteers that might come with it. Unfortunately,
>>the LEO
>>satellites that hams can afford generate little interest in
>>this forum.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>John
>>KD6OZH
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
>>To: "'rupert red'" <rupert.red@xxxx.xx>;
>><amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 19:00 UTC
>>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: dream your own sat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Rupert,
>>>I think that is a fair assumption on your part, but
>>>
>>>
>>only because the are
>>
>>
>>>no
>>>new ideas being presented that have commercial
>>>
>>>
>>potential that can use
>>
>>
>>>Amateur Radio as an inexpensive to proof of concept.
>>>In the present Amateur Radio community only Emergency
>>>
>>>
>>Communications is
>>
>>
>>>getting the publicity. Perhaps FEMA or the Red Cross
>>>
>>>
>>might help pay for an
>>
>>
>>>emergency communication satellite otherwise it is
>>>
>>>
>>LEO's forever!
>>
>>
>>>Art, KC6UQH
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
>>>
>>>
>>[mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
>>On
>>
>>
>>>Behalf Of rupert red
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:47 AM
>>>To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>>Subject: [amsat-bb] dream your own sat
>>>
>>>
>>>Hallo all...
>>>
>>>from a while I'm hearing about MANY different and
>>>
>>>
>>interesting satellite
>>
>>
>>>solutions...
>>>
>>>LEO, MEO, HEO, GEO... MOON !!!
>>>
>>>The problem is only ONE !
>>>
>>>Amateur radio community has no money for this project,
>>>
>>>
>>and will never
>>
>>
>>>have!
>>>
>>>Amsat & Co will never be able to collect
>>>
>>>
>>millions.... I red on this bb
>>
>>
>>>that
>>>hams has no money for an expensive ground station...
>>>
>>>
>>then how can they
>>
>>
>>>send
>>>many money to Amsat?
>>>
>>>Public and private organizations all over the world
>>>
>>>
>>have not an high
>>
>>
>>>consideration of hams, and will never invest founds
>>>
>>>
>>for them.
>>
>>
>>>The conclusion is only ONE... we will never see a new
>>>
>>>
>>oscar satellite in
>>
>>
>>>the
>>>sky (at least some student's cube).
>>>
>>>Let's all dream together guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Best 73 Rupert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:48:11 +1000
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I just curious
To: kd8bxp@xxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 05:06 AM 7/6/2009, kd8bxp@xxx.xxx wrote:
>On the FM birds how come the split is V/U or U/V? Are there any V/V birds?
<snip>
>I know there is a reason, so I am curious that is all!
Yes, there is a reason. V/V would make the satellite work much like
a terrestrial repeater. Terrestrial repeaters on 2m require bulky,
heavy cavities, which are impractical to launch on a
satellite. There's also the issue of possible detuning, due to the
vibration of launch and thermal cycling while in space.
One way a V/V satellite _could_ be made to work is to have separate
receiver and transmitter satellites joined by a tether. A very low
powered link on another band could pass the signal between the 2
sats, just as is done for some terrestrial repeaters.
However, this configuration is also more expensive to launch, and any
in band birds take away one of the big advantages of working
crossband - being able to hear your own downlink, and monitor the
channel while transmitting.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:43:10 -0400
From: "Mark Lunday" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Original 13 Colonies - thanks to all!
To: <n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Nicely done, Tim!
Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
http://wd4elg.net
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:59 PM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Original 13 Colonies - thanks to all!
Hey everyone,
Thank you all for participating in the Original 13 Colonies special event. I
regret that we only had 11 of the 13 colonies active on the satellites, and
hope we can have them all for the 2010 event. It appears as though many
satellite operators were looking for the special call signs on virtually all
the satellites.
Here, as N3TL/K2G, I completed contacts on AO-7, AO-27, AO-51, FO-29, SO-50
and VO-52. I also digipeated a general greeting via packet through the ISS,
but did not complete a 2-way contact. My log to KU2US includes the following
details.
82 contacts that include:
24 states
2 Canadian provinces - Ontario and Quebec
3 DX entities - Honduras, Mexico and the U.K.
50 grid squares
Last Thursday, I got an email from Jim, G3WGM, asking whether I'd be
interested in tyring to make a contact with "the Motherland" during the
special event. We made it happen at 00:54 UTC on July 4th, from the
southernmost of the Original 13. Thanks, Jim, for staying up so late!
Thanks again to everyone for participating. Remember to visit Ken's page at
www.qrz.com/KU2US for all the details on getting a certificate.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL/K2G - Georgia
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 02:25:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 distortion
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hello
Has anyone else noticed distorted audio from AO-7.? This last pass there was
only? Larry-WA6DIR and me?on? both his and my downlink was almost
uninteligible.? Tried lowest power and Larry tried switching polarity.? Any
thoughts.? This is our current HEO.
73 Bob W7LRD
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:34:27 -0500
From: "Glenn AA5PK" <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 distortion
To: <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Bob,
I heard you and Larry. The audio was horrendous. Even my CW at less than 1
watt sounded distorted.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:25 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 distortion
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> Has anyone else noticed distorted audio from AO-7. This last pass there
> was only Larry-WA6DIR and me on both his and my downlink was almost
> uninteligible. Tried lowest power and Larry tried switching polarity. Any
> thoughts. This is our current HEO.
>
> 73 Bob W7LRD
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:17:20 -0700
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I just curious
To: <kd8bxp@xxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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LeRoy,
This has been done with the RS birds (2M/10M).
6M and 1 1/4M are not allowed in all Regions (1-3) which leaves only 10M and
2M for an all VHF Satellite. The major draw back to this mode is during peak
Sunspot activity, signals from the Satellite can not get through the
Ionosphere on 10M.
Art,
KC6UQH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of kd8bxp@xxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:07 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] I just curious
This is probably one of those questions that has a very simple answer maybe
something I wasn't thinking of.
On the FM birds how come the split is V/U or U/V? Are there any V/V birds?
I mean if doppler doesn't effect the vhf as much wouldn't it make since to
have some V/V? Wouldn't have to worry about doppler anyways
I know there is a reason, so I am curious that is all!
LeRoy, KD8BXP
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:23:15 +0100
From: Fabiano Moser <fabianomoser@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 distortion
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx
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Hello Bob,
I Also had this same problem at AO-7 friday 04 jul. But saturday and sunday
I made normal QSO?s via AO-7 with normal audio.
I don?t know what had happened with the AO-7 audio.
--
73
Fabiano Moser CR7/PY5RX
ARISS-PORTUGAL (Amateur Radio on the International Space Station)
Representative at Teleconference and Portugal Telebridge Coordinator.
AMRAD/AMSAT-CT
http://www.amrad.pt/ariss.php
"There is no great talent without great will. (Honor? de Balzac)"
2009/7/6 Glenn AA5PK <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Bob,
>
> I heard you and Larry. The audio was horrendous. Even my CW at less than
> 1
> watt sounded distorted.
>
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:25 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 distortion
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > Has anyone else noticed distorted audio from AO-7. This last pass there
> > was only Larry-WA6DIR and me on both his and my downlink was almost
> > uninteligible. Tried lowest power and Larry tried switching polarity. Any
> > thoughts. This is our current HEO.
> >
> > 73 Bob W7LRD
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:33:02 -0400
From: Peter <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Original 13 Colonies
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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Tim,
I want to personally thank you for your efforts in making the contact and
arranging the inaugural satellite 13 colonies event. I enjoyed the
opportunity to represent NY as WB2OQQ/K2A and all the stations that
contacted us, in Tim's words "it was a hoot", thank you.
73,
Pete, WB2OQQ
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: MM <ka1rrw@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ILN... Is this our future ride to the moon? MM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Armando Mercado <am25544@xxxxxx.xxx>
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Yes Exactly!
We need to form a proposal team that can evaluate the data to find out if an
EME-Repeater is viable.
Time is short.
First ask Experts if building a transponder for the Moon is feasible with
current technology.
If it were, How many Amateur radio operators would be able to afford such a
project?
We know the are hundreds of Hams, which have used EME at one time, or another.
If we build a working transponder, how many more hams would have access to and
EME-Repeater?
Based on the number of users that could build an EME-Repeater link, we would
go ahead with the idea and take it to the next phase.
There no sense in building an EME-Repeater project if only a hundred people
would be able to access the EME-Repeater.
So if the project looks feasible and there is a big enough potential group of
Amateur Radio stations that would uses such a project, then we would start
talking to all of our contacts at NASA, ESA, RSA to see if we can get some
additional support to help with the project.
Thanks Miles
--- On Sun, 7/5/09, Armando Mercado <am25544@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From: Armando Mercado <am25544@xxxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] ILN... Is this our future ride to the moon?
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 2:48 PM
> Greetings,
>
> The International Lunar Network appears
> to be the unmanned landers NASA is planning
> to put on the moon.? The program is working to
> put 2 landers on the moon in the 2012-2014
> time frame.
>
> Here are some excerpts from a Request for
> Information by NASA regarding instruments
> for its International Lunar Network (ILN).
> Pay special note to the mass and power
> limits.
>
> Is this what we are talking about putting a
> transponder on?
>
> 73, Armando, N8IGJ
>
> ******
>
> Date Released: Tuesday, November 18, 2008
> Source: Goddard Space Flight Center
> NASA Solicitation: Instruments for U.S. International
> Lunar Network (ILN) Lunar Missions
>
>
> Description of Anticipated Requirement
>
> NASA expects to emplace the first two nodes (the "anchor"
> nodes) of the ILN in the 2012-2014 timeframe with two
> additional nodes to be emplaced roughly two years later,
> depending on funds availability. All nodes will carry
> identical core instrument payloads. The ILN mission
> requires
> long lived instruments which can be operated as a network
> for six years (the anchor nodes will necessarily have to
> last
> longer). It is anticipated that a very small amount of
> power
> will be available to enable continuous operation through
> the lunar night.
>
> Concept studies for the spacecraft are now under
> development
> at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center working with the
> Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) of The Johns Hopkins
> University. The mission will be tightly constrained in
> both
> mass and power. It is expected that the total available
> mass
> for all payload instruments will be approximately 15 kg,
> although the precise mass available for the payload will
> depend on the launch vehicle and other trades still being
> considered. The total available payload power will be
> approximately 15 W.
>
> The total budget for the ILN anchor nodes including
> development and operations is $200M. Schedule and budget
> constraints require that NASA mission planners focus on
> relatively mature instruments.
>
> ******
>
> See the following links for more info:
>
> http://www.moontoday.net/news/viewsr.html?pid=29834?
> (The full Request for
> Information)
>
> http://iln.arc.nasa.gov/welcome? (General info on
> ILN)
>
>
> http://lunarscience.arc.nasa.gov/file_download/26/ILN+Final+Report.pdf
>
> (Detailed info
> on ILN... Note: large file 13MB)
>
> Happy reading,
>
> Armando, N8IGJ
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:33:32 -0400
From: James French <w8iss@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ILN... Is this our future ride to the moon?
MM
To: MM <ka1rrw@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Armando Mercado <am25544@xxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <1246887212.24465.13.camel@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 05:53 -0700, MM wrote:
> Yes Exactly!
>
> We need to form a proposal team that can evaluate the data to find out
> if an EME-Repeater is viable.
>
> Time is short.
One thing, Miles.
Frank Bauer commented:
On another topic, WRT the Lunar ILN, if you read the solicitation, they
are discussing *15 kg* payloads. And these need to accomplish some
scientific objective to further lunar exploration. Given this, I do
not think the ILN is a viable AMSAT project.
What would be the SCIENTIFIC payload that we would be providing?
I know that I mentioned in previous replies that we MIGHT be able to
land a chance on something that A government would be doing if we could
MAYBE provide a communications package for a craft. Going by Frank's
statement and putting it into the context of what we are planning, I
would NOT be surprised that we got turned down because we are not prov-
iding something that contributes to the SCIENTIFIC nature of the
mission. The government probably ALREADY has a contractor to build and
provide the communications package(s) for these missions.
Is there anything else that is being proposed that we can get in on the
ground floor to provide this knowledge and equipment? I haven't seen
anything and personally I didn't even know about the ILN even.
I am NOT trying to be the one to burst the bubble here. This subject
HAS been brought up a number of times over the past four years of putt-
ing something on the lunar surface. Each time, the answers and suggest-
ions have gotten better as we have gotten more people that know what it
takes climb on board the discussion. Hopefully this time this discussion
will get past just that, discussion, and progress to an Idea of Concept
stage that can then be taken to the next step, finding a suitable candi-
date for this.
James W8ISS
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:02:22 -0400
From: "A.J. Farmer" <farmer.aj@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale - Assorted Satellite Related Items
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:40:39 -0400
From: Doug Papay <doug.papay@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Uncommon/Rare Michigan Grids This Week
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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All,
I am operating portable this week, July 5th-9th, from Northeast Lower
and Eastern Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I will activate: EN84 (July
5th), EN85 (July 5th & 6th), EN76 (July 7th), EN86 (July 7th, 8th, &
9th), and EN74 (July 9th). My operations will be limited to FM
satellites for all grids except EN86. I plan to operate on both FM &
SSB satellites from EN86 (Drummond Island) to make this rare grid
available to as many as possible. I am operating handheld with TH-D7A
and arrow antenna and will use TS-2000 (with doppler tuning) & arrow
in EN86.
I hope to work many of you during my trip.
73,
Doug KD8CAO/P
Alpena, MI USA EN85
Ps. For those of you who are chasing 6m grids, I brought a 6m moxon
with me and will try to spend a little time on 6 from EN86.
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:19:10 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] In between the moon and the moonnist..
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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While a fierce moonist thread from the Lunar Conspiracy grouip is raging i
just copy this telemetry from AO-51.
I try TLMECHO program but i get an error 9 window telling that data is out of
something data space area?
As soon as the program start to decode some data he freeze with this error #9?
Is it normal as telemetry seems to be transmitted only when the satellite is
in eclipse? Is it this who make's the program crashing?
Thank's for your lights
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:35:4mon
7. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:32:29 2009
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
MONITOR ON/ON
cmd:PACB-1>TLMI-1/2: <UI>:
?)QJ~_l_?
_)
:
7
7
_z_D_
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W
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?_'_
(
'
8_?
???_??_6?_?_3_?
?
!?
"?
#?_$~%?_&?_'?(j
)?_*I+?,?-u.?_/j0z_1
'
??@x>BWCD?E?F?G;HI_JKLMPACB-1>TLMS-1/2: <UI>:
C0:05 C1:44 C2:76 C3:2F C4:04 C5:01
PACB-1>LSTAT/2: <UI>:
I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:29262 f:29262, d:0 st:5 e:3b
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:36:27. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:33:09 2009
PACB-1>TLMS-1/2: <UI>:
C0:05 C1:44 C2:76 C3:2F C4:04 C5:01
PACB-1>TLMD-1/2: <UI>:
WOD:2 ATP:0 BMW:1 BMS:0 CTS:1 CTN:120 CTL:96 CTE:Thu Jul 09 23:09:32 2009
PACB-1>AMSATN-1/2: <UI>:
>04 July 2009 ... FM Repeater ON ... L-Band uplink PBBS OFF Telemetry On
...In eclipse period 73, WA4SXM
PACB-1>LSTAT/2: <UI>:
I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:29262 f:29262, d:0 st:5 e:4c
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PECHO-11>STATUS/2: <UI>:
B: 14550443
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:36:37. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:33:19 2009
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACB-1>TLMS-1/2: <UI>:
C0:05 C1:44 C2:76 C3:2F C4:04 C5:01
PACB-1>TLMD-1/2: <UI>:
WOD:2 ATP:0 BMW:1 BMS:0 CTS:1 CTN:120 CTL:96 CTE:Thu Jul 09 23:09:32 2009
PACB-1>LSTAT/2: <UI>:
I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:29262 f:29262, d:0 st:5 e:4c
PACBLS-8>PACBLS-8/2: <UI>:
PACBLS S Meter = 0
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:36:47. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:33:29 2009
PACB-1>TLMS-1/2: <UI>:
C0:05 C1:44 C2:76 C3:2F C4:04 C5:01
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:36:57. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:33:39 2009
PACB-1>TLMS-1/2: <UI>:
C0:05 C1:44 C2:76 C3:2F C4:04 C5:01
PACB-1>LSTAT/2: <UI>:
I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:29262 f:29262, d:0 st:5 e:5d
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACBLS-8>PACBLS-8/2: <UI>:
PACBLS S Meter = 0
PECHO-12>BBSTAT/2: <UI>:
Open ABCD:
PECHO-11>STATUS/2: <UI>:
B: 14550443
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:37:07. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:33:49 2009
PACB-1>TLMS-1/2: <UI>:
C0:05 C1:44 C2:76 C3:2F C4:04 C5:01
PACB-1>LSTAT/2: <UI>:
I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:29262 f:29262, d:0 st:5 e:6e
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACB-1>TLMD-1/2: <UI>:
WOD:2 ATP:0 BMW:1 BMS:0 CTS:1 CTN:120 CTL:96 CTE:Thu Jul 09 23:09:32 2009
PACB-1>LSTAT/2: <UI>:
I P:0x13A8 o:0 l:29262 f:29262, d:0 st:5 e:6e
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PACB-1>TIME-1/2: <UI>:
PHT: uptime is 047/20:37:27. Time is Sun Jul 05 22:34:09 2009
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
PECHO-12>BBSTAT/2: <UI>:
Open ABCD:
PECHO-11>PBLIST/2: <UI>:
PB: Empty.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:46:32 +0200
From: John Hackett <archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Information.
To: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BLU141-W530899AA835DC18B1D60B912B0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Hello Dave,
Certainly, just follow the additional information from the main
page of ...
<http://www.russianspaceweb.com/index.html>
Have a good day.
73 John <la2qaa@xxxxx.xxx>
..............................................................................
..............
> From: n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: la2qaa@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] An alternative ... or ... competition !!!.
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:07:08 -0400
>
> Hi John,
> This is very interesting. Do you know the official news source of this
> information? I would like to read more about it.
>
> Dave, AA4KN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hackett" <archie.hackett@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: <allan_gm1sxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:46 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] An alternative ... or ... competition !!!.
>
>
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
> For those that don't know it, The chief of
> RosKosmos, the Russian Space Agency *confirmed* last week the Russian
> intention to pull the plug on the ISS in the 2015 - 2020 timeframe and to
> construct another dedicated Russian
> space station.
>
> According to Anatoly Zak RosKosmos informed NASA of these plans 14 days ago.
>
> The new Russian station is *NOT* intended to be a laboratory like the ISS
> but
> more of an in-orbit contruction platform for future Mars-like and outer
> space
> missions.
>
> The station will comprise a maintainable 'ball' section with several docking
> ports
> with attachable modules.
>
> I propose that amateur radio satellite operators get together and form a
> group to suggest/try to influence/impliment an ARISS type of project for
> this space station.
>
> A Strela type frame could be attached to the underside of the 'ball' and
> since the station is planned for a Molinya type orbit the coverage would be
> suitable for DX.
>
> The planned orbit would put the station predominently over Russia - as
> opposed to the current ISS equatorial orbit.
>
> Personally, I would suggest an RS-10/11 RS-12/13 clone with a ROBOT ...
> (read: propagation tester) - as these satellites were without the shadow of
> a
> doubt the best for recruiting newcomers.
>
> It would, in my opinion, be a viable concept and an alternative to some of
> the
> latest 'ideas' of a transponder on the moon ... which wouldn't 'catch' many
> potential newcomers but would (*IN MY OPINION*) only serve a few dedicated
> 'experts' ... leading to the demise of amateur satellite communications in
> general.
>
> Comments, monies and praise to LA2QAA.
>
> Criticisms, horsewhipping and flaming to GM1SXX.
>
> 73 John. <la2qaa@xxxxx.xxx>
>
> Interested parties may read the following ...
>
>
>
..............................................................................
..................................
> The OPSEK project
>
> By
> 2008, the Russian successor to the International Space Station, ISS,
> was identified as Orbitalniy Pilotiruemyi Eksperimentalniy Kompleks,
> OPSEK, or Orbital Manned Assembly and Experiment Complex in English.*
> Unlike previous designs of Mir, Mir-2 and the ISS,
> the heart of the station would be a four-ton ball-shaped node module.
> Equipped with six docking ports, this relatively small and simple
> element would be the only permanent element of the station. All other
> modules would come and go as their lifespan and mission requires.
>
> The initial architecture of the OPSEK complex could be built out of
> modules originally planned for the Russian segment
> of the ISS. The exact scenario of the OPSEK assembly would depend on
> the end of the ISS and the readiness of the latest Russian modules.
> According to a 2008 scenario, the MLM multipurpose module, the node module
> and a pair of NEM power platforms could be first launched to the ISS in
> 2011, 2013 and 2014-2015,
> respectively. With the deorbiting of the ISS looming around 2020, these
> modules could separate from the old outpost to form the core of the new
> Russian station. Another, more controversial scenario considered the
> separation of the practically entire Russian segment, including the MIM-2
> docking compartment and the Zvezda service module,
> prior to the ISS deorbiting. In this case, the 20-year-old service
> module would temporarily take a responsibility for the flight control
> of the OPSEK, until its replacement with a 40-ton versatile core
> module, UMB, launched by a next-generation rocket from yet-to-be built
> launch site in Vostochny during 2020s.
>
> The
> separation of the Russian segment from the ISS would leave the rest of
> the outpost without effective orbital maneuvering capabilities, leaving
> the European ATV spacecraft
> as a likely candidate to perform the tasks of attitude control and
> deorbiting. To achieve this the ATV would have to be modified to enable
> its docking with the US segment of the ISS.
>
> Depending
> on the operational orbit selected for the OPSEK, it might be necessary
> to change the orbital inclination of the modules departing the ISS and
> forming the new station. The lowest inclination accessible from
> Vostochny is 51.7 degrees, while the ISS is orbiting the Earth with the
> inclination 51.6 degrees toward the Equator. It is estimated that one
> or two Progress cargo ships would be necessary to push the modules from one
> inclination to another.
>
> From
> official statements during 2008 and 2009, it is clear that the one of
> the chief objectives of the OPSEK complex would be the support for
> expedition to Mars. All major elements of the Martian expeditionary
> complex, such as main habitation module, Mars lander and
> nuclear-powered space tug would dock to the station before its
> departure from the low-Earth orbit toward Mars. The Martian expedition
> would at the OPSEK as well.
>
> The station would also play a similar role in lunar exploration.
> Reusable space tugs could link OPSEK with the Lunar Orbital Station, LOS, in
> orbit around the Moon, thus creating a transport chain for a permanent lunar
> base. Such tasks as servicing of modular satellites by orbital tugs based
> at the OPSEK complex were also cited.
>
> In
> broader terms, TsNIIMash research institute, a chief strategist of the
> Russian space agency, formulated the OPSEK concept as a foundation of
> the nation's space strategy. By 2009, the new station was seen as a
> cornerstone of a new space exploration plan, which extended four
> decades into the 21st century. An ambitious program apparently included
> manned missions to the Moon, Mars and beyond. (344)
>
> Cooperation with Europe and the US
>
> In
> 2008, Russian plans for maintaining presence in the low-Earth orbit in
> general and the creation of a successor to the ISS in particular had
> been met enthusiastically in Europe. As ESA had little hope to match
> the US effort to return to the Moon at the beginning of the 21st century,
> preserving a destination in the low-Earth orbit seemed critical for the
> political support of the manned space flight on the continent.
>
> In
> June 2009, Simonetta Di Pippo, ESA director of human space flight told
> the editor of RussianSpaceWeb.com that she shared the Russian vision of
> the future space station as a platform for deep space missions. "I have
> continuous consultations with officials in Russia. We meet every month,
> month and a half, and now
> we are going to start jointly, the study how to proceed beyond 2025, Di
> Pippo said, ..."and we have a common idea that we would like to
> preserve presence in the lower orbit. We are studying different
> scenarios, whether we need permanent presence or, maybe, a human-tended
> capability, and we can end up with a totally different solution in the
> end, but I don?t believe we can leave Earth orbit."
>
> Di Pippo also said that although current NASA plans for return to the
> Moon
> reserved no essential role for the station, it could change in the
> future. "Even on the NASA side, they have too many different
> developments (associated with the Earth orbit), including commercial
> involvement, which they can not immediately give up," Di Pippo said.
>
> By the end of 2010,
> all partners in the ISS project were expecting to agree on the
> extension of the ISS lifespan from 2015 to 2020 or even 2025. Once end
> of life for the ISS was decided an active planning for post-ISS manned
> space flight could begin in Russia, Europe and possibly the US.
>
>
>
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