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Today's Topics:
1. Re: RTFM question (Tony Langdon)
2. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (George Henry)
3. Re: Commercial Imports (Clint Bradford)
4. Re: Commercial Imports (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: Commercial Imports (Art McBride)
6. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Howard Kowall) (Ben
Jackson) (Edward Cole)
7. Re: Commercial Imports (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
8. Re: Full Duplex HT's (Gordon JC Pearce)
9. Re: Commercial Imports (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
10. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Ernie)
11. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Jeff KB2M)
12. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Kauto Huopio OH2LFM)
13. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Howard Kowall) (Ben
Jackson) (Luc Leblanc)
14. Re: RTFM question (Luc Leblanc)
15. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Mark Spencer)
16. Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Mark Spencer)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:19:49 +1000
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RTFM question
To: "Mark Lunday" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>, "'Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF'"
<nigel@xxxxx.xxx>, "'Luc Leblanc'" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 11:03 AM 6/11/2009, Mark Lunday wrote:
>Actually, a better approach might be to answer the question and also include
>a reference to the location. The asker then sees a way to look that he or
>she may not know. Also avoids making incorrect assumptions. I see this
>method used a lot on technical mailing lists.
>
>This way, we "teach others to fish for themselves."
Agree. I try and give the answer, then an explanation for the answer
(i.e. any underlying theory, etc), and a reference they can read up
in their own time. Quite a few people I've done that with end up
going off on their own and tinkering. :)
Not quite satellites, but one guy that needed me to fix an IRLP
reflector of his, because he was installing some stuff I had
developed on it. I didn't have a lot of time, so over time, I have
him little bits on what these scripts actually did, and also
determined that he was trying to do something for which they weren't
designed. Eventually, he was able to use the information I gave to
fix his problem (and do something fairly advanced that I had never
gotten around to doing myself :) ).
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:52:06 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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While it may be legal to USE said radio on the amateur bands, if the radio
is designed to operate on frequencies in certain services , such as the
public service bands, it MUST be FCC type accepted ("certificated") for
those services in order to even be IMPORTED into the U.S. They must also
meet Part 15 interference standards.
Check the message forums on e-Bay: Customs HAS seized these radios numerous
times over the last several years. They are being sold by "stores" in Hong
Kong, but are actually shipped from distributors in California.
73,
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Howard Kowall)
(BenJackson)
[snip]
>
> Now on to using these radios. Clint - since you have been stridently
> insisting on the illegality of using non-FCC-certified radios on the US
> ham bands, could you please show us the specific law/rule/regulation
> that states that hams cannot use non-certified commercial gear in the
> ham bands? I am aware of is the technical requirements in FCC
> Part 97, Subpart D, which cover whatever radio - homebrew, kit, or
> made in a factory - that we may decide to use on the ham bands
> and other parts about not causing interference etc. The radio may
> not be FCC certified, but if it meets Part 97 - and the licensee is not
> transmitting outside the bounds of his/her license with it - that's what
> FCC is interested in. FCC Part 97 does not speak to the origin of
> the radio or whether or not it has certification (except for HF and 6m
> amplifiers, which require certification as outlined in 97.315 and
> 97.317).
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:32:50 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Commercial Imports
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <5427F3AF-9636-40CB-880B-25E8E78A47F9@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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>> ... Now on to using these radios. Clint - since you have been
stridently
insisting on the illegality of using non-FCC-certified radios on the US
ham bands, could you please show us the specific law/rule/regulation
that states that hams cannot use non-certified commercial gear in the
ham bands?
Some random - but pertinent - citations ...
47 U.S.C. ? 302(b) of the Act provides that "[n]o person shall
manufacture, import, sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home
electronic equipment and systems, or use devices, which fail to comply
with regulations promulgated pursuant to this section."
Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules provides that "[e]xcept as provided
elsewhere in this section, no person shall sell or lease, or offer for
sale or lease (including advertising for sale or lease), or import,
ship or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering
for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless in the case of a
device subject to certification such device has been authorized by the
Commission . . . ."
Radio transceivers operating in the 136 MHz - 174 MHz and the 400 MHz
- 470 MHz bands are subject to the equipment certification process and
must be certified and properly labeled prior to being marketed or sold
in the United States.
47 U.S.C. ? 503(b) of the Act provides that any person who willfully
or repeatedly fails to comply substantially with the terms and
conditions of any license, or willfully or repeatedly fails to comply
with any of the provisions of the Act or of any rule, regulation or
order issued by the Commission thereunder, shall be liable for a
forfeiture penalty. The term "willful" as used in Section 503(b) has
been interpreted to mean simply that the acts or omissions are
committed knowingly. The term "repeated" means the commission or
omission of such act more than once or for more than one day.
I will dig up my notes from a conversation with Bll Cross later n the
week.
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:49:57 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Commercial Imports
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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This was - I thought - common knowledge, George. After working selling
Motorola/Kenwood commercial systems and also working amateur retail,
the differentiation was sure clear to me. -Clint, K6LCS
GEORGE>> While it may be legal to USE said radio on the amateur bands,
if the radio is designed to operate on frequencies in certain
services , such as the public service bands, it MUST be FCC type
accepted ("certificated") for those services in order to even be
IMPORTED into the U.S. They must also meet Part 15 interference
standards ....
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:23:33 -0700
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Commercial Imports
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <AE10A96CADAF49DDBEF05416D6347505@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
To ALL,
As an Amateur Radio Operator I can modify any radio for Amateur Radio
operation, or build one from parts new or used. I can place in operation any
radio that I determine will not cause interference to other services and
will meet the requirements of FCC part 97.
If a radio is sold for commercial purposes and is type accepted anyone can
purchase it and if they are a licensed Amateur Radio Operator, operate it on
the Amateur bands. This is done on ships and aircraft every day and has
never been challenged to my knowledge. Commercial FCC licensed bands require
that type accepted equipment for that service must be used.
Art,
KC6UQH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:33 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Commercial Imports
>> ... Now on to using these radios. Clint - since you have been
stridently
insisting on the illegality of using non-FCC-certified radios on the US
ham bands, could you please show us the specific law/rule/regulation
that states that hams cannot use non-certified commercial gear in the
ham bands?
Some random - but pertinent - citations ...
47 U.S.C. ? 302(b) of the Act provides that "[n]o person shall
manufacture, import, sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home
electronic equipment and systems, or use devices, which fail to comply
with regulations promulgated pursuant to this section."
Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules provides that "[e]xcept as provided
elsewhere in this section, no person shall sell or lease, or offer for
sale or lease (including advertising for sale or lease), or import,
ship or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering
for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless in the case of a
device subject to certification such device has been authorized by the
Commission . . . ."
Radio transceivers operating in the 136 MHz - 174 MHz and the 400 MHz
- 470 MHz bands are subject to the equipment certification process and
must be certified and properly labeled prior to being marketed or sold
in the United States.
47 U.S.C. ? 503(b) of the Act provides that any person who willfully
or repeatedly fails to comply substantially with the terms and
conditions of any license, or willfully or repeatedly fails to comply
with any of the provisions of the Act or of any rule, regulation or
order issued by the Commission thereunder, shall be liable for a
forfeiture penalty. The term "willful" as used in Section 503(b) has
been interpreted to mean simply that the acts or omissions are
committed knowingly. The term "repeated" means the commission or
omission of such act more than once or for more than one day.
I will dig up my notes from a conversation with Bll Cross later n the
week.
Clint, K6LCS
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:05:14 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Howard Kowall)
(Ben Jackson)
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 10:20 AM 6/10/2009, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>True.
>If equipment needed an FCC number then you wouldn't be allowed to
>use home brew gear without it being tested by the FCC.
>
>Ben Jackson wrote:
>
> > "Devices used in the Amateur Radio Service do not require authorization
> > prior to being imported into the United States, but devices for other
> > services, including the CB service, require Commission approval."
> >
> > Thus, provided the importer only uses it under Part 97, it's kosher. I
> > just can't, say, use it under a GMRS license or something.
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I think you will find that manufactured ham transmitters and
receivers are submitted for FGCC approval. Home built is not per
regulations. How often you see a new piece fo equipment advertised
not that waiting for FCC approval to be marketed. What regulations
are for imported equipment to the US?
73, Ed - KL7UW
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:38:34 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Commercial Imports
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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Hi Clint.
> ?>> ... Now on to using these radios. ?Clint - since you have been
> stridently
> insisting on the illegality of using non-FCC-certified radios on the US
> ham bands, could you please show us the specific law/rule/regulation
> that states that hams cannot use non-certified commercial gear in the
> ham bands?
>
(Clint cited 47 USC 302(b), Seciton 2.803(a)(1) of FCC Rules, and
47 USC 503 (b) related to the import/distribution/sale of non-
certified radios, plus a quote about radio transceivers in 136-174
and 400-470 MHz that was not part of any FCC rule or US law)
> I will dig up my notes from a conversation with Bll Cross later n the
> week.
Thanks for not answering my question which you referred to in this
post. You cite several sections that relate to the import and sale
of this gear, but not related to using it.
Who in the US is selling/marketing Jingtong, FDC, and other non-
certified radios? Certainly not HRO, AES, etc. Not in the ham
magazines here. FCC enforcement appears to be geared toward
those who sell many of these radios, like with the "10-meter" radios.
The "Radio transceivers operating in the ... " part is not actually in
any rule. That was part of a 2006 FCC decision against a California
guy who was importing and selling these radios on eBay:
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-268422A1.html
Again, this is not related to my question about the *use* of these
radios. This was the case of a stateside "shop" that was
importing these radios, which clearly is a violation of the rules you
cited and within the explanations of the terms "willful" and
"repeated" as you posted.
You are welcome to take another try at answering my question
about the *use* of these radios. Maybe your notes from that
conversation with Bill Cross will shed some light on that - even
if that conversation is just Bill's opinion, and not necessarily the
opinion of the FCC. I have never seen an FCC rule or decision
that says hams are not allowed to use non-certified gear,
whether it is made for the ham market or a radio meant for
commercial two-way use modified or programmed for use on
ham frequencies or a non-certified radio. Part 97's technical
requirements would need to be met for the gear, as well as the
operator using the radio within the bounds of his/her license.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:59:32 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 12:13 +1000, Tony Langdon wrote:
> At 07:09 AM 6/11/2009, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>
> >I actually have one of the JT-308s, and found it to be not too bad.
> >It's a bit deaf and it has not got the cleanest output but there are no
> >particular nasties in the output. A VX-7 is worse!
>
> I have one also. Biggest problem I found was that when I enabled
> CTCSS, it put this loud rumble onto the audio. Sounded like I was
> mobile. Certainly wasn't a clean CTCSS tone.
I have to admit, I didn't try CTCSS because my local 70cm repeater
doesn't use it. Sounds like something to check out over the weekend...
Gordon
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:54:20 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Commercial Imports
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A30E25C.8080207@xxxxx.xxx>
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Is not the issue that, in the US, whilst it is illegal to sell or import for
sale non approved apparatus, it is
perfectly legal for the end user to import a single item of any one type for
personal use.
Clint Bradford wrote:
> This was - I thought - common knowledge, George. After working selling
> Motorola/Kenwood commercial systems and also working amateur retail,
> the differentiation was sure clear to me. -Clint, K6LCS
>
> GEORGE>> While it may be legal to USE said radio on the amateur bands,
> if the radio is designed to operate on frequencies in certain
> services , such as the public service bands, it MUST be FCC type
> accepted ("certificated") for those services in order to even be
> IMPORTED into the U.S. They must also meet Part 15 interference
> standards ....
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:15:35 -0400
From: Ernie <w8eh.ernie@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Its interesting that nobody seemed to look at their main page, where I
found this statement:
**WOUXUN Two-way radios are CE FCC and RoHS approved.**
And further down the page:
_WOUXUN Two-way radios are FCC approved.FCC ID:WVTWOUXUN03
_Look for yourself:
http://www.wouxun.com/
So they do claim they are FCC approved and there is a FCC ID number.
Does this make everyone's argument moot?
Simple research is important sometimes. :)
Ernie W8EH
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:25:39 -0400
From: "Jeff KB2M" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: "'amsat bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000901c9ea87$594be380$0be3aa80$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
This started my day off with a good chuckle, thanks Ernie...
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Ernie
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:16 AM
To: amsat bb
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
Its interesting that nobody seemed to look at their main page, where I
found this statement:
**WOUXUN Two-way radios are CE FCC and RoHS approved.**
And further down the page:
_WOUXUN Two-way radios are FCC approved.FCC ID:WVTWOUXUN03
_Look for yourself:
http://www.wouxun.com/
So they do claim they are FCC approved and there is a FCC ID number.
Does this make everyone's argument moot?
Simple research is important sometimes. :)
Ernie W8EH
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:37:56 +0300
From: Kauto Huopio OH2LFM <oh2lfm@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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> Its interesting that nobody seemed to look at their main page, where I
> found this statement:
> **WOUXUN Two-way radios are CE FCC and RoHS approved.**
>
> And further down the page:
> _WOUXUN Two-way radios are FCC approved.FCC ID:WVTWOUXUN03
>
Feeding this ID to Google I find this:
http://www.chinatwowayradio.com/showroom/wouxun/certificate/index.htm
--Kauto OH2LFM
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:56:56 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's (Howard Kowall)
(Ben Jackson)
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Here the even the possession is prohibithed...
An extract from the Canadian Radiocommunication Act
PROHIBITIONS INTERDICTIONS
Prohibitions 4. (1) No person shall, except under and in
accordance with a radio authorization, install,
operate or possess radio apparatus, other than
(a) radio apparatus exempted by or under regulations
made under paragraph 6(1)(m); or
(b) radio apparatus that is capable only of the
reception of broadcasting and that is not a distribution
undertaking.
Idem (2) No person shall manufacture, import, distribute,
lease, offer for sale or sell any radio apparatus,
interference-causing equipment or radio-
sensitive equipment for which a technical
acceptance certificate is required under this Act,
otherwise than in accordance with such a certificate.
Idem (3) No person shall manufacture, import, distribute,
lease, offer for sale or sell any radio apparatus,
interference-causing equipment or radio-
sensitive equipment for which technical
standards have been established under paragraph
6(1)(a), unless the apparatus or equipment complies
with those standards.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:12:00 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RTFM question
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A309220.1800.2D4F877@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
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I called that the plug and play syndrome. Who's the one who never try to use
his new gadget right out from the box without reading the
instructions first? You? it's not a question to be lazy but too eager to play
with. In the end you confirm what i said in a previous post
you agree with it but in a different manner. That's what makes us so unique!
On 10 Jun 2009 at 16:11, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> There might not be a stupid question but there are certainly those that are
too lazy to first try to help themselves and
> expect others to do everything for them.
>
> Luc Leblanc wrote:
>
> >
> > It was a Fashion on this BB in the AO-40 time. Those who knows look at
those who don't from a different level... There is no stupid
> > question and if this BB still have some use lets those who want to help
free to answer even if it is an obvious RTFM case at your eyes.
> >
> > I fight this mentality back years ago and even with instructions booklets
you still need the other experience just read the IC-220H manual
> > and you will see even with the RTFM you will need to practice a lot.
> >
> > If only one question can save time and frustation the another one i feel
it worth the time spent to answer his question.
>
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: Kauto Huopio OH2LFM <oh2lfm@xxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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I seem to have learnt something new today.? I didn't think that "front pannel
programmable" radios that were frequency agile could get an FCC approval (for
Part 90 or other non ham use) these days.?? I also looked up the FCC ID on the
FCC web site and found a copy of the manual that seems to confirm front pannel
programability.
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From: Kauto Huopio OH2LFM <oh2lfm@xxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:37:56 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
> Its interesting that nobody seemed to look at their main page, where I
> found this statement:
> **WOUXUN Two-way radios are CE FCC and RoHS approved.**
>
> And further down the page:
> _WOUXUN Two-way radios are FCC approved.FCC ID:WVTWOUXUN03
>
Feeding this ID to Google I find this:
http://www.chinatwowayradio.com/showroom/wouxun/certificate/index.htm
--Kauto OH2LFM
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
To: Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Thanks.? And of course aviation and some marine radios have various degrees of
frequency agility, still I was under the apparently mistaken impression that
user accessible front pannel programabiltiy was frowned upon in the land
mobile bands in the USA.
I'll have to see if they have also gotten a Canadian certification as I have a
liscence for a comercial VHF frequency in Canada (:
Regards
Mark Spencer
VE7AFZ
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Mark Spencer <mspencer12345@xxxxx.xx>
Cc: Kauto Huopio OH2LFM <oh2lfm@xxxx.xx>; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:32:06 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Way-OT: Re: Full Duplex HT's
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Mark Spencer wrote:
> I seem to have learnt something new today.? I didn't think that
> "front pannel programmable" radios that were frequency agile could
> get an FCC approval (for Part 90 or other non ham use) these days.
> I also looked up the FCC ID on the FCC web site and found a copy of
> the manual that seems to confirm front pannel programability.
>
Also check out the Motorola JT1000
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Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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