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Today's Topics:
1. Full Duplex Radios (Sigil)
2. Re: true duplex radios (Mark L. Hammond)
3. Re: true duplex radios (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
4. Re: Full Duplex Radios (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
5. Re: [Senior-officers] Re: Reminder (Andrew Glasbrenner)
6. Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today? (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
7. Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today? (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
8. Re: [Senior-officers] Re: Reminder (AC7YY - Kim)
9. Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today? (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
10. Portable QSLs (Justin Pinnix)
11. Re: Portable QSLs (Andrew Glasbrenner)
12. Re; Full duplex: same band ? (Henk, PA3GUO)
13. Re: Re; Full duplex: same band ? (Bill Ress)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:03:45 +1200
From: Sigil <caleriffic@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplex Radios
To: Amsat Reflector <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A24EAF1.7040000@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
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Hi,
I have been trying to follow this confusing discussion about "Full
Duplex Radios". It seems to me that different people are using the same
term to mean different things.
Everyone seems to agree on the meaning of "Full Duplex" as the term is
used when talking about Ham satellites and radios. It is a radio that
allows you to listen on one frequency in a particular band, while
simultaneously transmitting on another frequency in different band.
However, the phrase "Cross Band Repeater Mode" seems to have two
meanings as it is being used on this reflector right now.
Meaning One: a radio the can be used with a cross band repeater
somewhere. That is, a radio that can be set up to receive in one band,
but switches to another band when the PTT is operated and the radio
transmits. When this radio transmits, the receiver is turned off.
Meaning Two: a radio that can be configured to function as a repeater in
that it retransmits the received signals in a different band. Naturally,
it does this simultaneously. It is a Full Duplex Radio.
Most (all?) modern HF radios can do "Meaning One" (A/B VFOs, etc), as
can many dual band UHF/VHF radios, so this is perhaps not particularly
unusual. It might be better to reserve the term for those radios that
can function as a repeater.
Sil - ZL2CIA.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:07:07 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: true duplex radios
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx ke5gdb@xxxxx.xxx
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Nice work, Andrew.
Somebody mentioned the Kenwood TS-790A/E previously (a base unit), but
I don't think I see it on your current list.
It's an important addition :)
73,
Mark N8MH
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:21:11 -0500
> From: Andrew Koenig <ke5gdb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: true duplex radios
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Message-ID:
> ? ? ? ?<2f52b89b0906011621x4b3e196am67c249935884539f@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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>
> Here's my attempt of to update the list of full duplex capable radios. Did I
> miss anything?
>
>
> HTs -
> Icom IC-W2A
> Icom IC-W31A
> Icom IC-W32
> Icom IC-Z1A
> Icom IC-X2A (440MHz/1.2GHz)
> Yaesu FT-470
> Yaesu FT-530
> Yaesu FR-51R
> Kenwood TH-D7
> Kenwood TH-75A
> Kenwood TH-77
> Kenwood TH-78
> Alinco DJ-G5T
> Alinco DJ-580T
> Alinco DJ-G7
>
>
> Mobile rigs -
> Kenwood TM732
> Kenwood TM733
> Kenwood TM741
> Kenwood TM742
> Kenwood TM941
> Kenwood TM942
> Kenwood TM-D700/710
> Yaesu FT-4700
> Yaesu FT-5100
> Yaesu FT-5200
> Yaesu FT-8800
> Yaesu FT-8900
> Icom 2728H
> Icom IC2800
> Icom IC-2340
> Icom IC-2720
> Icom IC-2820
> Icom IC-Delta-100
> Heathkit HW-24/HW-24A
>
> Base rigs -
> Yaesu FT-726 (with OSCAR Module)
> Yaesu FT-736
> Yaesu FT-847
> Kenwood TS-2000
> Icom 820
> Icom 821
> Icom IC-910H
> Icom IC-970
>
> --
> Andrew Koenig
> KE5GDB
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:00:30 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: true duplex radios
To: Jim Heck <jimlist@xxxxxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A25145E.3070600@xxxxx.xxx>
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No.
Half Duplex is when you can both receive and transmit but not simultaneously.
Full Duplex is when tou can both receive and transmit simultaneously
Simples is when you can either receive or transmit but not both.
Jim Heck wrote:
>
> Again im my experience, such a radio as Greg has described is called a
"half
> duplex" one.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:02:36 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex Radios
To: Sigil <caleriffic@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Cc: Amsat Reflector <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A2514DC.40301@xxxxx.xxx>
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Not exactly.
Full Duplex can be both receive and transmit simultaneously in the same band
or on the same frequency.
Doesn't have to be in different bands.
Sigil wrote:
>
> Everyone seems to agree on the meaning of "Full Duplex" as the term is
> used when talking about Ham satellites and radios. It is a radio that
> allows you to listen on one frequency in a particular band, while
> simultaneously transmitting on another frequency in different band.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:16:50 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Senior-officers] Re: Reminder
To: "AC7YY - Kim" <ac7yy@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "Martha" <martha@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Board of Directors <bod@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
officers@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <senior-officers@xxxxx.xxx>
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>
> What is an AMSAT Member Society?
>
Think of it as a club joining AMSAT. If your club has paid their dues as a
Member Society of AMSAT, they may vote to nominate you in lieu of 5
individual members.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:45:34 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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<060220091245.11361.4A251EEE0008278400002C6122216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C
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Congratulations to both of you!
-------------- Original message from "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)"
<amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>: --------------
> Hi!
>
> > Robert - you sounded great here in DM13-land (Riverside, CA).
> > Patrick is further east than I am ... how far did you
> > communniate???
>
> I don't know exactly where Robert was in Honolulu. I was
> in my favorite Phoenix city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap
> grid boundary - 33 degrees 38.903 minutes North, 112
> degrees West exactly - where I operate from whenever I
> say I am in DM33 and DM43:
>
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33+38.903+N+112+0.00+w&ie=UTF
8&
> ll=33.811102,-112.000122&spn=2.040058,3.872681&t=h&z=8&iwloc=addr&om=0
>
> I held my antenna as high as I could hold it and pointed
> it westward, since there is a freeway wall not far from
> that spot. I had a maximum of 15 degrees elevation for
> the pass, and Robert mentioned in an e-mail earlier this
> afternoon he was only going to have a maximum of 4
> degrees elevation on that pass. He was most likely
> working hard for every bit of the satellite he could hear.
> Thanks for picking me up, Robert!
>
> Based on estimates for Honolulu (grid BL11cg) and using
> my location as mapped in the link above, it appears we
> covered a path of just over 2900 miles (almost 4700km)
> with that brief contact. My only other satellite QSO with
> the Hawaiian islands was with WH6FC on the "big island"
> of Hawaii (grid BK29) back in December 2005. That QSO
> spanned about 2850 miles/4500km from Phoenix, and
> Honolulu will be further away from me than anywhere on
> the island of Hawaii.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:13:27 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hey Patrick,
You've sold yourself and Robert a few hundred miles short with that estimate
of 2,900 miles. That, of course, is the "shortest distance between Point A and
Point B" straight-line distance. But each of you had to make it up to AO-51.
At the risk of initiating a major debate here, I believe your QSO actually
covered more than 3,240 miles - at the minimum.
As you did, I used BL11cg and, in Orbitron, tracked the range to AO-51 from
that grid square during the 02:31 UTC pass last night. The CLOSEST that AO-51
was to BL11cg during that pass (again, according to Orbitron) was at 02:34:21,
when the range to the satellite from there was 3,166.273 km (1,967.431 miles).
At that same point in the pass, the range to AO-51 from your location (I used
the exact coordinates you provided in this email) was 2,053.028 km (1275.692
miles).
To log a successful QSO, then, the two of you actually covered a total
distance of 5,219.301 km, or 3,243.123 miles. And again, that is the best-case
scenario as it applies to Robert's location. Those numbers are based on
Orbitron's calculation of the exact second during the pass when AO-51 was
closest to Robert.
Congratulations to you both - again. That is outstanding!
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)"
<amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>: --------------
> Hi!
>
> > Robert - you sounded great here in DM13-land (Riverside, CA).
> > Patrick is further east than I am ... how far did you
> > communniate???
>
> I don't know exactly where Robert was in Honolulu. I was
> in my favorite Phoenix city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap
> grid boundary - 33 degrees 38.903 minutes North, 112
> degrees West exactly - where I operate from whenever I
> say I am in DM33 and DM43:
>
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33+38.903+N+112+0.00+w&ie=UTF
8&
> ll=33.811102,-112.000122&spn=2.040058,3.872681&t=h&z=8&iwloc=addr&om=0
>
> I held my antenna as high as I could hold it and pointed
> it westward, since there is a freeway wall not far from
> that spot. I had a maximum of 15 degrees elevation for
> the pass, and Robert mentioned in an e-mail earlier this
> afternoon he was only going to have a maximum of 4
> degrees elevation on that pass. He was most likely
> working hard for every bit of the satellite he could hear.
> Thanks for picking me up, Robert!
>
> Based on estimates for Honolulu (grid BL11cg) and using
> my location as mapped in the link above, it appears we
> covered a path of just over 2900 miles (almost 4700km)
> with that brief contact. My only other satellite QSO with
> the Hawaiian islands was with WH6FC on the "big island"
> of Hawaii (grid BK29) back in December 2005. That QSO
> spanned about 2850 miles/4500km from Phoenix, and
> Honolulu will be further away from me than anywhere on
> the island of Hawaii.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:22:58 -0700
From: AC7YY - Kim <ac7yy@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Senior-officers] Re: Reminder
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Board of Directors <bod@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
senior-officers <senior-officers@xxxxx.xxx>, officers@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1243959778.4017.12.camel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 08:16 -0400, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> >
> > What is an AMSAT Member Society?
> >
>
> Think of it as a club joining AMSAT. If your club has paid their dues as a
> Member Society of AMSAT, they may vote to nominate you in lieu of 5
> individual members.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
Thank you Drew
73
kim - ac7yy
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:37:10 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hawaii BL11 on AO51 today?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<060220091637.7979.4A2555360001B4EA00001F2B22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C0
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Hey everyone,
Off the BB, I emailed Patrick and asked for a more accurate time of his
contact with Bill. He replied that it occurred sometime during the 02:33 UTC
minute of the pass last night, but he didn't have the exact second. Using
Orbitron's simulation mode, the following represents the CLOSEST that AO-51
was to these two stations during their contact. These ranges to AO-51
represent a time of 02:33:59 UTC.
According to Orbitron, the range from Robert to the satellite was 3,169.827 km
(1,969.639 miles), and from Patrick to the satellite was 2,073.436 km
(1,288.373 miles). So, the LOWEST total distance covered during their contact
was 5,243.263 km (3,258.012 miles). That's very impressive, guys.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx --------------
> Hey Patrick,
> You've sold yourself and Robert a few hundred miles short with that estimate
of 2,900 miles. That, of course, is the "shortest distance between Point A and
> Point B" straight-line distance. But each of you had to make it up to AO-51.
> At the risk of initiating a major debate here, I believe your QSO actually
> covered more than 3,240 miles - at the minimum.
> As you did, I used BL11cg and, in Orbitron, tracked the range to AO-51 from
that grid square during the 02:31 UTC pass last night. The CLOSEST that AO-51
was to BL11cg during that pass (again, according to Orbitron) was at 02:34:21,
when the range to the satellite from there was 3,166.273 km (1,967.431 miles).
At that same point in the pass, the range to AO-51 from your location (I used
the exact
> coordinates you provided in this email) was 2,053.028 km (1275.692 miles).
> To log a successful QSO, then, the two of you actually covered a total
distance of 5,219.301 km, or 3,243.123 miles. And again, that is the best-case
scenario
> as it applies to Robert's location. Those numbers are based on Orbitron's
> calculation of the exact second during the pass when AO-51 was closest to
> Robert.
>
> Congratulations to you both - again. That is outstanding!
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Tim - N3TL
>
> -------------- Original message from "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)"
> : --------------
>
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > > Robert - you sounded great here in DM13-land (Riverside, CA).
> > > Patrick is further east than I am ... how far did you
> > > communniate???
> >
> > I don't know exactly where Robert was in Honolulu. I was
> > in my favorite Phoenix city park on the DM33xp/DM43ap
> > grid boundary - 33 degrees 38.903 minutes North, 112
> > degrees West exactly - where I operate from whenever I
> > say I am in DM33 and DM43:
> >
>
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33+38.903+N+112+0.00+w&ie=UTF
8&
> > ll=33.811102,-112.000122&spn=2.040058,3.872681&t=h&z=8&iwloc=addr&om=0
> >
> > I held my antenna as high as I could hold it and pointed
> > it westward, since there is a freeway wall not far from
> > that spot. I had a maximum of 15 degrees elevation for
> > the pass, and Robert mentioned in an e-mail earlier this
> > afternoon he was only going to have a maximum of 4
> > degrees elevation on that pass. He was most likely
> > working hard for every bit of the satellite he could hear.
> > Thanks for picking me up, Robert!
> >
> > Based on estimates for Honolulu (grid BL11cg) and using
> > my location as mapped in the link above, it appears we
> > covered a path of just over 2900 miles (almost 4700km)
> > with that brief contact. My only other satellite QSO with
> > the Hawaiian islands was with WH6FC on the "big island"
> > of Hawaii (grid BK29) back in December 2005. That QSO
> > spanned about 2850 miles/4500km from Phoenix, and
> > Honolulu will be further away from me than anywhere on
> > the island of Hawaii.
> >
> > 73!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> > http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:13:11 -0400
From: Justin Pinnix <justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Portable QSLs
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
If you are operating away from home and want to send out QSL cards, is it
acceptable to use your "home" card and note corrections to the location?
Can I just put "portable FM17" in the notes field? Should I strike
through my home grid?
73
AJ4MJ/P FM25 (15 May - 17 May 2009)
AJ4MJ/P FM07 (30 May - 1 June 2009)
AJ4MJ FM05 (otherwise)
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:47 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Portable QSLs
To: "Justin Pinnix" <justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <7892218FA0084C1B9E3089CC813FD828@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Yes to all of the above. My cards have a portable/mobile entry field as
well. Alternatively, Martha still has AO-7 QSLs that are very inexpensive,
and work well for confirming QSOs away from home, or using as reply QSLs for
the station you worked to sign and return.
On a related note...if you work a portable/mobile station, be sure to note
the grid they were in on the card. Some of us keep less than perfect logs
;-)
73, Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Pinnix" <justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Portable QSLs
> If you are operating away from home and want to send out QSL cards, is it
> acceptable to use your "home" card and note corrections to the location?
> Can I just put "portable FM17" in the notes field? Should I strike
> through my home grid?
>
> 73
>
> AJ4MJ/P FM25 (15 May - 17 May 2009)
> AJ4MJ/P FM07 (30 May - 1 June 2009)
> AJ4MJ FM05 (otherwise)
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:41:01 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re; Full duplex: same band ?
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: pa3guo@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi Nigel
> Full Duplex can be both receive and transmit simultaneously
> in the same band or on the same frequency.
There will be very few radios I guess that can at the same time
receive as well as transmit on the same band / frequency ...
At least my THD7 and TS2000 can do full duplex, but not on the same band.
However I guess it's a grammar thing, as I do not see an application
for such either :-)
Henk, PA3GUO
(still like my TS-2000 a lot, many years after buying it, it still can do
whatever I like these days: eg. look at http://www.vimeo.com/4911267)
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:51:19 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re; Full duplex: same band ?
To: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen@xxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx pa3guo@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A2574A7.6060607@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Henk,
Very nice presentation! Thanks for making it composing it and making it
available.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Henk, PA3GUO wrote:
> Hi Nigel
>
>> Full Duplex can be both receive and transmit simultaneously
>> in the same band or on the same frequency.
>
> There will be very few radios I guess that can at the same time
> receive as well as transmit on the same band / frequency ...
>
> At least my THD7 and TS2000 can do full duplex, but not on the same band.
>
> However I guess it's a grammar thing, as I do not see an application
> for such either :-)
>
> Henk, PA3GUO
> (still like my TS-2000 a lot, many years after buying it, it still can do
> whatever I like these days: eg. look at http://www.vimeo.com/4911267)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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