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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AO-51 (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
2. CP6 heard (Alan P. Biddle)
3. Flex-5000 as a satellite radio (Michael Pfeuffer)
4. Re: Flex-5000 as a satellite radio (STeve Andre')
5. Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
(Allen Vinegar)
6. Re: AO-51 (Andrew Glasbrenner)
7. Pre Fab Coax sections (Jim Sanford)
8. Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500 (Bruce)
9. Re: Pre Fab Coax sections (STeve Andre')
10. Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
(n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
11. Re: Pre Fab Coax sections (Glenn Little WB4UIV)
12. question about AO-51 status (Larry Teran)
13. Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
(claryco@xxx.xxxx
14. Re: Pre Fab Coax sections (Luc Leblanc)
15. Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
(Nate Duehr)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:28:41 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<052020092228.3531.4A1484190005EB1300000DCB22216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C0
4040A0DBF049BCC02@xxx.xxx>
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Drew
Thanks to you and everyone for your efforts. It's been 11 months since my
first-ever satellite contact. In that time, I believe this is only the third
time that AO-51 has suffered an issue that required a software reload. Given
the tremendous conditions that little satellite and all the others endure non-
stop in orbit, its record of service is remarkable to me.
I appreciate your efforts and those of the other control operators very much.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from "Andrew Glasbrenner"
<glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>: --------------
> We are just about finished with the reload, and after collecting a little
> more WOD telemetry and uploading the SQRX software we will turn the repeater
> back on. I'm sorry if the updates have been slim, but with this happening
> during Dayton with 2/3rds of the command team away from home, it's been a
> hectic week between AMSAT and our day jobs. Take the time to enjoy a few of
> the lesser used satellites, and 51 will be back before you can say ECHO LIMA
> EIGHTY EIGHT.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:38:29 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] CP6 heard
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <574A666493B04BDCAB1103A54E8B1020@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Evening,
I have heard CP6 on two passes so far, with strong clear CW. Object A gives
good agreement with AOS and Doppler. So far I have not gotten it tweaked in
close enough to copy, due to the period between data bursts, but getting
closer. One anomaly is that the bursts seem to be irregular rather than
every two minutes. They do occur in multiples of 2 minutes, however.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:33:42 -0500
From: Michael Pfeuffer <pfeufferm@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Flex-5000 as a satellite radio
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A14AF76.8050808@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi all,
It looks like Flex is adding a VHF/UHF option to their Flex-5000 with us
in mind:
* Transmit Frequencies: 2m (144-148 MHz) and 70 cm (430-450 MHz)
* Receive Frequencies: VHF (132-165 MHz) and UHF (420-465 MHz)
* Low noise preamp: 1 dB NF
* Frequency stability: ? 0.5 ppm (internal) or external 10 MHz reference
* Standard Version: 30 watts on both VHF and UHF
* High Power Version: 60 watts on both VHF and UHF (must be factory
installed)
* All mode support- supports SSB, FM, FM-N, CW and digital modes (ASFK)
* Full duplex cross band operation mode - Satellite ready: B and J
modes supported
* Separate transmit and receive antenna connectors on VHF or UHF for
satellite or transverter operation (requires power attenuation).
"available late 2009" / price TBD
Full details here:
http://flex-radio.com/Products.aspx?topic=F5K_upgrades
Now, picture that bandscope displaying a HEO passband...
--Mike, WQ5C
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:34:35 -0400
From: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Flex-5000 as a satellite radio
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <200905202134.35445.andres@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Wednesday 20 May 2009 21:33:42 Michael Pfeuffer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It looks like Flex is adding a VHF/UHF option to their Flex-5000 with us
> in mind:
>
> * Transmit Frequencies: 2m (144-148 MHz) and 70 cm (430-450 MHz)
> * Receive Frequencies: VHF (132-165 MHz) and UHF (420-465 MHz)
> * Low noise preamp: 1 dB NF
> * Frequency stability: ? 0.5 ppm (internal) or external 10 MHz
> reference * Standard Version: 30 watts on both VHF and UHF
> * High Power Version: 60 watts on both VHF and UHF (must be factory
> installed)
> * All mode support- supports SSB, FM, FM-N, CW and digital modes (ASFK)
> * Full duplex cross band operation mode - Satellite ready: B and J
> modes supported
> * Separate transmit and receive antenna connectors on VHF or UHF for
> satellite or transverter operation (requires power attenuation).
>
> "available late 2009" / price TBD
>
> Full details here:
>
> http://flex-radio.com/Products.aspx?topic=F5K_upgrades
>
> Now, picture that bandscope displaying a HEO passband...
>
> --Mike, WQ5C
Yeah, incredible... A friend and I went to the Flex talks on Saturday night
at Dayton. I'm drooling.
--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en82
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:04:06 -0400
From: "Allen Vinegar" <tokens@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement
Award #500
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <3C3517819F474D089B5BB9647AB871A2@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Tim is absolutely right!! You might as well leave numbers off the award as
they obviously don't mean anything.
Al W8KHP
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:28:19 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <D627C179EBB4424684F57DB5DAC2443C@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
The repeater is up and open for use. User access to the BBS is -not- setup
as of yet but will be soon. If you hear WA6FWF or WA4SXM on the air, give
them a big thank you for getting AO-51 back on the air ASAP.
73, Drew KO4MA
AMSAT-NA VP Operations
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51
> We are just about finished with the reload, and after collecting a little
> more WOD telemetry and uploading the SQRX software we will turn the
> repeater
> back on. I'm sorry if the updates have been slim, but with this happening
> during Dayton with 2/3rds of the command team away from home, it's been a
> hectic week between AMSAT and our day jobs. Take the time to enjoy a few
> of
> the lesser used satellites, and 51 will be back before you can say ECHO
> LIMA
> EIGHTY EIGHT.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:36:17 -0400
From: Jim Sanford <wb4gcs@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Pre Fab Coax sections
To: Microwave list <microwave@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Amsat - BBs'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A14BE21.5010807@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
All:
I'm hoping to get my 2m - 3456 antennas erected this summer. To help,
I've decided to throw $$ at the problem & save time thru purchase of
coax jumpers to go between antennas ans preamp or switch.
I seek recommendations regarding fabricators of tested LMR 600 sections
with N-connectors installed. Lengths would range from 7 to 27 feet.
Thanks & 73,
Jim
wb4gcs@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:42:09 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement
Award #500
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4A14BF81.4070404@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
We already know not all the members of AMSAT or the satellite community
read the messages on the AMSAT-BB. You all are assuming that every
member of AMSAT has a computer and email. Unfortunately there are some
that do not. If someone can answer how to give the postal submissions
the same possibility of receiving number 500 as the email entries, I
would be happy to do it in that way. I only go to the post office
regularly once a week on my day off (tues/wed).
Pulling the mail out of the box will create a random order. Did the
postal person place the first one on the left or the right and did they
do it the same way the next day or did they shove it between the ones
there already? I can't use the post mark to determine which arrived
first because one letter could have taken 2 days to reach me and another
5 days. I will have no way of knowing when the postal person put the
letter in my box.
Now, I have the mail out of box and am walking to the car. One or two
letters might slip out of my hand in the parking lot and placed either
on top of the pile or the bottom not knowing where they actually were.
Then on the trip home, someone might stop short in front of me and some
of the mail on the seat slides on to the floor. There would be a random
selection for the person that gets number 500 simply from the events of
getting the mail to my house.
What if I send my daughter to pick up the mail and she comes home and
there is a Priority Mail notice that has to be signed for. That person
might have sent it in perfect time to be number 500 and now I have to go
back to the post office to pick it up, unfortunately, I processed all
the awards before going back and he now gets number 532.
As those sending email submissions are date and time stamped, where do I
place someone's u.s. mail submission when I only go to the post office
once a week? Does that person go to the end of the line because it did
not get into my house until after all the emails were received or is it
assumed to have been received first and go to the top of the pile?
The world is not perfect and I am just trying to make it fair for everyone.
73...bruce
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:43:01 -0400
From: "STeve Andre'" <andres@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Pre Fab Coax sections
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <200905202243.01863.andres@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Wednesday 20 May 2009 22:36:17 Jim Sanford wrote:
> All:
>
> I'm hoping to get my 2m - 3456 antennas erected this summer. To help,
> I've decided to throw $$ at the problem & save time thru purchase of
> coax jumpers to go between antennas ans preamp or switch.
>
> I seek recommendations regarding fabricators of tested LMR 600 sections
> with N-connectors installed. Lengths would range from 7 to 27 feet.
>
> Thanks & 73,
> Jim
> wb4gcs@xxxxx.xxx
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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The RF Connection. Google 'em.
--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en82
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 03:33:44 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement
Award #500
To: kk5do@xxxxx.xxxx "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<052120090333.5807.4A14CB97000ADAD2000016AF22216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C0
4040A0DBF049BCC02@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
Bruce and everyone,
I believe that every scenario you describe in this post can (and probably
does) happen with virtually every other award available to any licensed
amateur operator from any organization.
None of them choose to use a random drawing when issuing awards. Please help
me to understand how that's fair.
I find irony in your comment that not every AMSAT member reads the AMSAT-BB.
Have you notified all of the members who don't read the AMSAT-BB of the
intention to use a random drawing? If not, then how is it fair to include an
inarguably limited number of AMSAT members in the process of collecting the
requisite applications to hold the drawing? Am I missing something?
>From here, and given the scenarios you describe, the only fair way to issue
numbered awards is to use the same process - whatever it is - that you have
used for the first 490 - for the sake of consistency and historical accuracy.
Or, we could place all the numbers issued to date in a hat and draw for a new
order so that everyone gets their awards issued in consistent fashion. And,
moving forward, when applications have been reviewed and approved, a random
drawing be used to assign the numbers to them.
It occurs to me that rules and requirements for awards can be and are changed
from time to time. But that's not germain to this issue because it doesn't
deal with rules or requirements but, rather, their application and evaluation.
I believe strongly (in case you hadn't figured that out yet ... hihi) that
consistency in application and evaluation is paramount to awards credibility,
and represents the only truly fair approach.
I hope consistency prevails. Otherwise, my award takes on a different - and,
to me, at least, a diminished - significance.
Thank you for listening.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>: --------------
> We already know not all the members of AMSAT or the satellite community
> read the messages on the AMSAT-BB. You all are assuming that every
> member of AMSAT has a computer and email. Unfortunately there are some
> that do not. If someone can answer how to give the postal submissions
> the same possibility of receiving number 500 as the email entries, I
> would be happy to do it in that way. I only go to the post office
> regularly once a week on my day off (tues/wed).
>
> Pulling the mail out of the box will create a random order. Did the
> postal person place the first one on the left or the right and did they
> do it the same way the next day or did they shove it between the ones
> there already? I can't use the post mark to determine which arrived
> first because one letter could have taken 2 days to reach me and another
> 5 days. I will have no way of knowing when the postal person put the
> letter in my box.
>
> Now, I have the mail out of box and am walking to the car. One or two
> letters might slip out of my hand in the parking lot and placed either
> on top of the pile or the bottom not knowing where they actually were.
> Then on the trip home, someone might stop short in front of me and some
> of the mail on the seat slides on to the floor. There would be a random
> selection for the person that gets number 500 simply from the events of
> getting the mail to my house.
>
> What if I send my daughter to pick up the mail and she comes home and
> there is a Priority Mail notice that has to be signed for. That person
> might have sent it in perfect time to be number 500 and now I have to go
> back to the post office to pick it up, unfortunately, I processed all
> the awards before going back and he now gets number 532.
>
> As those sending email submissions are date and time stamped, where do I
> place someone's u.s. mail submission when I only go to the post office
> once a week? Does that person go to the end of the line because it did
> not get into my house until after all the emails were received or is it
> assumed to have been received first and go to the top of the pile?
>
> The world is not perfect and I am just trying to make it fair for everyone.
>
> 73...bruce
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:06:07 -0400
From: Glenn Little WB4UIV <glennmaillist@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Pre Fab Coax sections
To: Jim Sanford <wb4gcs@xxxxx.xxx>, Microwave list
<microwave@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Amsat - BBs'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090520235506.03fb9eb0@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
If you like throwing money at the problem, try Pasternack.
5 feet at $83.00 at S. M. Electronics.
5 feet at $78.25 at Pasternack.
I always build my own. That way I can only blame myself for bad cables.
73
Glenn
WB4UIV
At 10:36 PM 5/20/2009, Jim Sanford wrote:
>All:
>
>I'm hoping to get my 2m - 3456 antennas erected this summer. To help,
>I've decided to throw $$ at the problem & save time thru purchase of
>coax jumpers to go between antennas ans preamp or switch.
>
>I seek recommendations regarding fabricators of tested LMR 600 sections
>with N-connectors installed. Lengths would range from 7 to 27 feet.
>
>Thanks & 73,
>Jim
>wb4gcs@xxxxx.xxx
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:11:33 -0700
From: Larry Teran <satvader@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] question about AO-51 status
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY109-W878C159A045D80F07E06FCD580@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
is ECHO AO-51 operational at this moment?
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:37:48 -0400
From: claryco@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement
Award #500
To: kk5do@xxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <8CBA7999759EE34-164C-A68B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Bruce et al,
I also think that numbered awards should be issued based on the order in which
they were received.
Hiram Percy Maxim (the original W1AW) once said that "the most important
information on a piece of paper is its date". That should apply to awards as
well.
73,
Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC
Message: 13
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:03:37 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement
??? Award #500
To: kk5do@xxxx.xxxx "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
Hey Bruce (and all),
I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in
which
they were received.
I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not accurately
reflect the true history of the award.
Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is,
that
No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application received?
Something about that just doesn't seem right to me.
I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, only
the
awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be upset to
learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if someone who
applied after me was awarded it.
One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand
corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would alter
in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least have
board review, if not formal action of approval.
My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain an
accurate historical record.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>: --------------
> I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award
> number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have
> the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this....
>
> The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just
> received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After
> all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one
> of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate
> number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order
> they submitted. (Hmmmm... Mahana never submitted for this award, could
> she pull her own call?)
>
> The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application
> for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is
> available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT.
> Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org
> Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin.
>
> Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award.
> JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size.
>
> This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions
> arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last
> one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your
> submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been
> received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment
> for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if
> you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will
> go in the mail.
>
> 73...bruce
> AMSAT Director Contest and Awards
>
> --
>
> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>
> AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
>
> ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 01:34:01 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Pre Fab Coax sections
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4A14AF89.27715.2CEE7CB@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 21 May 2009 at 0:06, Glenn Little WB4UIV wrote:
> If you like throwing money at the problem, try Pasternack.
>
> 5 feet at $83.00 at S. M. Electronics.
> 5 feet at $78.25 at Pasternack.
>
> I always build my own. That way I can only blame myself for bad cables.
>
> 73
> Glenn
> WB4UIV
>
>
You can check e-bay or the various Hamfest where you can get nearly all what
you want. I personally got some 8' foot run with male N type
connector of Cellflex 50ohms semi rigid cable at 10$ a piece. I also got 3 X
45' roll of heliax 3/8" with interchangeable N-type or UHF
connector adaptor at 40$ a piece. (First time i saw those type of connector
seems to be design for some military aircraft carrier use with
their wire mesh pulling sleeve already installed?)
But you should be ready to sneak a whole day in a human hamfest crowd "always
an adventure for your 5 senses...:)"
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:57:17 -0600
From: "Nate Duehr" <nate@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement
Award #500
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx kk5do@xxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1242889037.11174.1316531953@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
For all who think the AMSAT awards process should be changed:
I can get away with saying it, so I will -- your elected officials have
to be nicer, I suppose. (If that's the type of officials you vote
for... I'll add with a grin.)
I didn't see any volunteers to do the job. Or in the more modern
vernacular: "Step up, or step off."
For those so inclined, a Biblical phrase might also suffice: "Don't
muzzle the ox while he's treading out the grain." In other words...
Bruce is doing the job. Anyone thinks they can do it better, should
talk to Bruce about their perfect migration plan to take it over and
make their AMAZING sales pitch about how they'll make things better by
at least an order of magnitude. (In other words, you better fix ALL the
problems while you're at it, or it isn't worth the change.)
Volunteer organizations exist because people volunteer. Not because
they complain about the organization or the processes the organization
uses. If all it took was votes to run a country... or AMSAT... or
anything...
Hams complain too much. I recently started seeing this when I started
spending more time AWAY from Ham Radio and in a completely different
hobby "crowd". Seriously. That group throws breakfasts that are open
to the public, they invite people to come see what they're doing almost
EVERY weekend (not just "Field Day"), etc. Yes, there are some ham
groups that do this... AMSAT is one of the best at trying to "get the
word out" that Amateur Radio & Satellites is fun.
As President of a much smaller Ham group than AMSAT, I know the ratio is
about 40:1. How do I know? 400 members in my organization, 10 that
actually do any work. MAYBE another 10 if I'm lucky and beg a lot... so
we'll call it 20:1. 19 "whiners in their recliners" and 1 person
working to make it better actually works, but just barely. I
appreciate the membership dues greatly from the 19, but I value that ONE
person out of that 19 more than anything else in the organization. If
the 19 complain and none step up to fill the one's shoes, that one
pretty much gets to do things as they see fit, unless 10 of the 19 walk
away because of it.
How many members in AMSAT? How many working on for for AMSAT? In a
volunteer organization, you either complain about stuff, or fix it
yourself... there's really only two choices when it comes down to it.
More interestingly in this whole thing: Only 500 awards total?! That
in itself was a shocker to me... maybe I don't know the history
(timeline) of the award, or maybe it's just a sign that only 500 people
have ever bothered. I know I haven't...
I'm an ardent fan of aerospace and everything about it (hint: The "other
group" is the General Aviation community... you know, those
much-maligned "small planes" that seem to magically have just started
"making noise" when their airport that used to be miles from anyone, is
suddenly surrounded by a wave of idiots... ahem... nice homeowners who
built underneath the airport's traffic pattern? Yeah, they go BEGGING
for people to come out to the airport, go flying, bring the kids out,
eat some free pancakes, and see what's going on. EVERY good weather day
in the summer there's a group somewhere within a few hour's drive doing
a fly-in, a breakfast, a public good-will event. Hams? Field Day.
Once a year. And a hamfest or two.)
Anyway... as one of my friends would say, "Good on you, Bruce. Don't
let the bastards get you down!" (Not implying anyone in the
conversation here is a bastard... it's just my friend's phrase. Feel
free to NOT do the standard Internet "thing" and read more into that
than was meant. You can't hear the funny accent or get the slap on the
back from my friend that would go along with it, from an e-mail, trying
to cheer you up!)
Thanks Bruce, and thanks to AMSAT for being there. Some of us out here
know EXACTLY what it's like to volunteer -- others just wish for a
better life, instead of making their own. A lot of that going on in
Washington's sales pitches these days, too. I think it's WAY cool to
tell someone... "Did you know I could walk out to the Jeep with you and
sometime in the next hour or so, we could talk through a satellite to
someone else doing the same thing somewhere else in the country? Free?"
That always boggles people's minds... if they really "get it" about any
of the costs or operational issues with putting a satellite in orbit.
Even those who don't -- still are somewhat amazed.
Let's focus on THEM and not what pieces of paper with dates and numbers
we can put on the wall. I VHF contest to win, but if someone new shows
up at our contest site, they're ALWAYS given some time at the rigs...
even if it slows our "Q rate" down and we lose a notch in the standings,
at least we go home knowing EVERYONE got to play, and we had fun. Isn't
that the point of a hobby where we drag three trailers, one for towers,
one for a communications/operating trailer, and at least one camper
trailer to sleep in, sometimes two... to the top of a cow-pasture
(literally) in Eastern Colorado to call "CQ" once a summer?
Another ham I originally mentored, but as all things... they end up
teaching you something too... said once... "I'm having fun. Are you?"
He's also ordering a bumper sticker, "If it isn't fun. Stop doing it."
:-) Trust me, if you do that... you'll drive those who are incapable
of having fun, even when they have all the ingredients... crazy.
Utterly crazy.
By the way, that new ham I mentored... was my dad. And he has more fun
with his gear than I've EVER had. What a great example he sets...
Awards? Contests? Not his thing. Catching something rare or
interesting on the bands and talking to them for a few minutes... makes
his whole day. He has more DX logged already than I ever have, MOBILE.
In the bottom of the sun-spot cycle.
So, folks... if AMSAT Awards and/or how they're administered aren't FUN
for you -- just move on and operate. Take it a little less seriously...
and leave folks who do a GREAT job like Bruce to do the jobs they enjoy.
(Trust me, if he didn't enjoy doing it, he wouldn't be. It's too much
work and too little thanks to deal with that 20:1 ratio. Believe me...
or volunteer to walk in his shoes. But please... only volunteer if you
ENJOY the work. Ham radio's joyless enough already as it is. For some
of you. NOT ME!)
Havin' a blast on the radio here... and I don't care about Bruce's
method of picking some numbers for some wallpaper... THANKS TO MY DAD
FOR POINTING OUT A BETTER WAY TO VIEW THE *HOBBY*.
73,
Nate WY0X
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Nate Duehr
nate@xxxxxxxx.xxx
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