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Today's Topics:
1. Re: K5D an embarrassment / poor operating procedure. (Darin Cowan)
2. Re: W9VNE response to N5UXT on AO 51 (Clint Bradford)
3. Re: the tyranny of the military (Nate Duehr)
4. Re: Manual ( Great site for alot of free Manuals ) (nader omer)
5. Re: the tyranny of the military (Donald Jacob)
6. Proper operating procedure? (Darin Cowan)
7. Re: the tyranny of the military (Greg Dober)
8. Re: K5D an embarrassment / poor operating procedure.
(Sean Cavanaugh)
9. Re: K5D an embarrassment / poor operating procedure.
(Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604)
10. The Tragedy of the commons / split frequency working
(G0MRF@xxx.xxxx
11. Re: Manual (BobsImsai8800@xxx.xxxx
12. Re: The Tragedy of the commons / split frequency working
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:28:52 -0500
From: "Darin Cowan" <yet.another.squid@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment / poor operating
procedure.
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <49a42e65.1917400a.692e.fffff607@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
W9VNE said:
>> Unfortunately the operation of AO 51 is a large embarrassment. I
>>have never in 56 years of operating ever seen demonstrated such
>>poor operating procedures.
I'd be happy if people would just use the proper phonetic alphabet. So many
logs have been messed up by "kilowatt" which is KW to me, as opposed to the
correct "kilo" and the other bizarre appellations of letters. And it's not
just on satellites that this is a problem. When I hear something like
"Kilowatt Capacitor Eight United Airlines" (made up example, if you are
KC8UAL, I'm not picking on you or accusing you) I can pretty much guarantee
it won't end up correct in the logs. That makes it a non-QSO and a waste of
time for both ends.
Combine proper phonetic use with "listen before transmitting" and 90% or
better of the issues we see would go away.
73 de VE3OIJ
-Darin
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:42:25 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: W9VNE response to N5UXT on AO 51
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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>> ... what is abundantly clear on AO 51 is a lack of respect for your fellow
operator ...
I live in the most populous region of the U.S.' most populous state. I state
this because the potential for abuse with this concentration of hams should be
evident here. But I have no idea what you are referring to. Sure, the FM birds
get busy during "prime time" passes. But "lack of respect" being displayed on
the air? Nonsense. First-time sat operators are as welcome and acknowledged -
as are the experienced operators.
>> ... I consider myself somewhat of an iconoclast ...
Although you might believe you are one a who effectively attacks cherished
beliefs or institutions, true iconoclasts destroy religious symbols, or, by
extension, established dogma or conventions. No, your baseless arguments do
not merit that label. More appropriately, you're merely dissatisfied and
rebellious. That's being a "malcontent."
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666
--------------------------------------
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666 - cell
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:22:17 -0700
From: "Nate Duehr" <nate@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001201c996ac$d39af920$7ad0eb60$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because cowards
behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone
out when they're WAY out of line.
Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur Radio
that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur
Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique
entrepreneurial characteristics.
You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and
personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the time,
resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community
WORLDWIDE.
Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and
enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... "Step off."
The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict
schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their
own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board --
technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a
testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs who
worked together to make it happen.
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to
get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The
Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to
alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts
BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the
program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or
have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles
and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in orbit
around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that
question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... "Step up."
Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some
deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to have
military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob
never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to
soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead, if
that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before,
well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an insult
to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good work
for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed
off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my
gun-sights.
I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's a
choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If
you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before
you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner,
accomplishing nothing.
Celebrate Ability,
Nate WY0X
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Thomas McGrane
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the
satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the
space program and amsat satellites.
Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised
packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR
radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new
operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every
day. Give some new people a chance.
Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
Think for yourselves!
pat
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:23:33 -0800 (PST)
From: nader omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Manual ( Great site for alot of free Manuals )
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <43110.59396.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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www.st2nh.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:36:54 -0800
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military
To: Nate Duehr <nate@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<1a659d360902241036s51f57694hc6a251678547849b@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Nate,
Very well said. I support your comments 100%. I hope the person that
you replied to is able to understand your comments.
73
Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Nate Duehr <nate@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because cowards
> behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone
> out when they're WAY out of line.
>
> Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur Radio
> that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur
> Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique
> entrepreneurial characteristics.
>
> You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and
> personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the
> time,
> resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community
> WORLDWIDE.
>
> Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and
> enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... "Step off."
>
> The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict
> schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their
> own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
>
> The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board --
> technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a
> testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs
> who
> worked together to make it happen.
>
> Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to
> get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The
> Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to
> alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts
> BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the
> program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or
> have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
>
> Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles
> and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in orbit
> around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that
> question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... "Step up."
>
> Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some
> deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to
> have
> military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob
> never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to
> soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead, if
> that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
>
> Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before,
> well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an insult
> to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
>
> My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good work
> for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed
> off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my
> gun-sights.
>
> I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's a
> choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If
> you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before
> you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner,
> accomplishing nothing.
>
> Celebrate Ability,
>
> Nate WY0X
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Thomas McGrane
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
>
> Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
>
> Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the
> satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the
> space program and amsat satellites.
>
> Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised
> packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
>
> I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR
> radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
>
> Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new
> operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every
> day. Give some new people a chance.
>
> Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
>
> Think for yourselves!
>
> pat
>
>
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------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:54:24 -0500
From: "Darin Cowan" <yet.another.squid@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Proper operating procedure?
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <49a44271.1e2d400a.2769.09dc@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
W9VNE wrote:
>>Upon my recent retirement I decided to equip my station with
>>a satellite setup. I have a substantial amount of money invested
>>( $3500 ) in antennas and transceiver. I can work just about
>>anything that I can hear. Since August 2008 until December I
>>made more than 800 QSOs in 200 grids and 15 countries. I met a
>>lot of fine people who gave me good advice.
>>
>>Unfortunately the operation of AO 51 is a large embarrassment. I
>>have never in 56 years of operating ever seen demonstrated such
>>poor operating procedures. I am not writing this note to trash
>>AMSAT. I could continue to operate, experiment and enjoy HF and
>>VHF radio and ignore the Satellite operation. However, I have
>>always thought when you see something that is terribly wrong you
>>have an obligation for the ( Ham and AMSAT ) community to speak
>>out. That is the spirit in which I write.
Not to be catty, but other than writing about it, what have you done to
positively influence the operating procedures of other radio amateurs?
I should have put this in the other message I wrote on this topic.
In the various publications, in the clubs, and apparently on this list,
there is much writing and speaking devoted to how operating skills are
declining, how it was better in the old days, yadda yadda. In fact, I'm
even going to go so far as to say that I agree with a lot of it.
The problem is, that aside from grousing, very little is done.
The older, experienced operators use poor operating procedure all the time -
not just on satellites, but on HF and VHF radio as well. Those that care
tend (in my experience) to belittle rather than mentor.
When teaching opportunities are presented, radio operation is overlooked.
One of the local clubs here offers an excellent exam prep course for getting
one's licence - but it includes almost nothing on operation, and certainly
no practical work. Graduates get their tickets and are tossed to the
breeze. This is contrary to my training in the military where we spent many
hours on operation and less on technical stuff.
Operating procedures also change. Just because you learned it as a rad-op
in Korea back in '52 doesn't mean it's done that way now - "niner" and
"fife" being a fine example. People who use those terms merely date
themselves. We don't use Q-codes in voice modes because it makes
communication less clear? I suppose that is true, but if you understand
what is being said, who cares? If you don't understand - ask. That's
called communication, and I bet Mr. Q-code will give up having to explain
himself repeatedly soon enough.
The spirit of amateur radio is friendly communication with an eye to
learning. The primary operating procedure everyone needs to learn is "be
polite and don't interfere with other stations". Everything else comes with
practice in the fullness of time. But if you're not leading by example...
not operating the way you expect other people to operate... and not being
polite, it's unfair to expect any improvement any time soon.
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:18:25 -0500
From: "Greg Dober" <almetco@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001401c996b4$aad89490$6701a8c0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Nate, Concur, very well said...
Greg
N3MVF
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Donald Jacob
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:37 PM
To: Nate Duehr
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military
Nate,
Very well said. I support your comments 100%. I hope the person that
you replied to is able to understand your comments.
73
Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Nate Duehr <nate@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because
cowards
> behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone
> out when they're WAY out of line.
>
> Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur
Radio
> that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur
> Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique
> entrepreneurial characteristics.
>
> You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and
> personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the
> time,
> resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community
> WORLDWIDE.
>
> Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and
> enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... "Step off."
>
> The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict
> schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their
> own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
>
> The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board --
> technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a
> testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs
> who
> worked together to make it happen.
>
> Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to
> get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The
> Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to
> alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts
> BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the
> program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or
> have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
>
> Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles
> and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in
orbit
> around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that
> question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... "Step up."
>
> Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some
> deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to
> have
> military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob
> never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to
> soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead,
if
> that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
>
> Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before,
> well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an
insult
> to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
>
> My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good
work
> for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed
> off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my
> gun-sights.
>
> I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's
a
> choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If
> you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before
> you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner,
> accomplishing nothing.
>
> Celebrate Ability,
>
> Nate WY0X
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Thomas McGrane
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
>
> Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
>
> Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the
> satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the
> space program and amsat satellites.
>
> Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised
> packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
>
> I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR
> radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
>
> Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new
> operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every
> day. Give some new people a chance.
>
> Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
>
> Think for yourselves!
>
> pat
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:21:47 -0600
From: Sean Cavanaugh <seanc@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment / poor operating
procedure.
To: Darin Cowan <yet.another.squid@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <49A448CB.1080809@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Darin Cowan wrote:
> W9VNE said:
>>> Unfortunately the operation of AO 51 is a large embarrassment. I
>>> have never in 56 years of operating ever seen demonstrated such
>>> poor operating procedures.
>
> I'd be happy if people would just use the proper phonetic alphabet. So many
> logs have been messed up by "kilowatt" which is KW to me, as opposed to the
> correct "kilo" and the other bizarre appellations of letters. And it's not
> just on satellites that this is a problem. When I hear something like
> "Kilowatt Capacitor Eight United Airlines" (made up example, if you are
> KC8UAL, I'm not picking on you or accusing you) I can pretty much guarantee
> it won't end up correct in the logs. That makes it a non-QSO and a waste of
> time for both ends.
>
> Combine proper phonetic use with "listen before transmitting" and 90% or
> better of the issues we see would go away.
I am often guilty of not using the correct phonetics, but I do have a
reason. 95% of the time, if the other station has marginal reception,
they come back as VE5, not VA5. I think it's just the other ops' brain
filling in the blanks with what they expect to hear, so I will correct
as "Victor America 5" and it usually seems to solve that problem. I do
try to stick with the ITU phonetics 99% of the time though.
I'd be happy with people just doing the listen before you transmit
thing. I can't count the number of times I've had my transmissions cut
off mid exchange.
I would also add to that the following: If you can't hear the bird,
don't transmit! I have NEVER had a situation where I can't hear the sat.
Even when the satellite is coming down from the north and no one else is
in the footprint, the background noise changes when it comes into range.
Hopefully with my preamps arriving today (gotta pick them up after
work), I will be able to use the linear birds a bit. Maybe relieve some
pressure on the FM sats.
73 all, and see you on the satellites.
--
Sean - VA5LF
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:38:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 <faunt@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment / poor operating
procedure.
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20090224193803.6F8FB8FDE0@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
The NATO/ITU phonetics aren't perfect. The "DXer's" phonetics (mostly
place names) are a reasonable alternative, but only the two sets
should be used. When I'm working 'phone, when I've got it together, I
try to repeat back using the other set. And I hate Kilowatt, too- I
always hear that as "KW".
73, doug
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:21:47 -0600
From: Sean Cavanaugh <seanc@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Darin Cowan wrote:
> W9VNE said:
>>> Unfortunately the operation of AO 51 is a large embarrassment. I
>>> have never in 56 years of operating ever seen demonstrated such
>>> poor operating procedures.
>
> I'd be happy if people would just use the proper phonetic alphabet. So
many
> logs have been messed up by "kilowatt" which is KW to me, as opposed to
the
> correct "kilo" and the other bizarre appellations of letters. And it's
not
> just on satellites that this is a problem. When I hear something like
> "Kilowatt Capacitor Eight United Airlines" (made up example, if you are
> KC8UAL, I'm not picking on you or accusing you) I can pretty much
guarantee
> it won't end up correct in the logs. That makes it a non-QSO and a waste
of
> time for both ends.
>
> Combine proper phonetic use with "listen before transmitting" and 90% or
> better of the issues we see would go away.
I am often guilty of not using the correct phonetics, but I do have a
reason. 95% of the time, if the other station has marginal reception,
they come back as VE5, not VA5. I think it's just the other ops' brain
filling in the blanks with what they expect to hear, so I will correct
as "Victor America 5" and it usually seems to solve that problem. I do
try to stick with the ITU phonetics 99% of the time though.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:44:49 EST
From: G0MRF@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] The Tragedy of the commons / split frequency
working
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Having been on a few DX-peditions, I can't imagine the sense of failure that
would go with running a DX-Net on a satellite, However, I nearly missed the
following great idea from Bruce.
Actually we can do split on AO-51. If anyone felt a DX-depition was worth
the effort and resources, we just tell the DX to use one uplink channel and
the people replying to use the other. It would maximise QSO rate and even a
handheld with low audio would be Q5 without any interfering signals.
73 es gud DX
David G0MRF / 9H0WW / C56DX / ZC4DX / 3B9C
In a message dated 24/02/2009 15:02:29 GMT Standard Time, kk5do@xxxxx.xxx
writes:
Very interesting Bob..... I had just sent this to a friend of mine to
look at before sending to the bb. It is basically the same thing.
However, taking checkins is too time consuming, this is a much easier plan.
When dx stations are working HF and they are operating split, they can
very easily move up and down the band to find a station that is in the
clear. Also, no one has a problem hearing them (except for the
occasional guy that forgets to hit split). However, when on the
satellite, you do not have the luxury of split operations on FM.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:51:48 EST
From: BobsImsai8800@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Manual
To: robertsondack@xxxxxxxxx.xxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Hi all,
Although it was a little hard to find, Icom has manuals for all of their
equipment online:
_http://www.icom.co.jp/world/support/download/manual/disp_cate.asp?searchcode=
ham_
(http://www.icom.co.jp/world/support/download/manual/disp_cate.asp?searchcode=
ham)
The IC 471a is a mobile by the way.
Bob
K5GNA
In a message dated 2/24/2009 10:26:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,
robertsondack@xxxxxxxxx.xx writes:
I need the ICOM 471A Service Manual to recalibrate my equipment who has
drifted 1.5 kHz ,with age.The manual could be on paper form or CD.
Thanks in advance,
Robert Sondack,VE2ASL.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:56:45 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Tragedy of the commons / split frequency
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> Actually we can do split on AO-51. If anyone felt a DX-depition was
> worth
> the effort and resources, we just tell the DX to use one uplink channel
> and
> the people replying to use the other. It would maximise QSO rate and even
> a
> handheld with low audio would be Q5 without any interfering signals.
We considered doing this, but unless they used two receivers, how would
anyone know when to shut up and when to call? Even though there is a capture
effect, when 20 signals come up at once, usually no one wins. Now if we'd
used the SSB receiver on the user uplink?
This whole DXpedition was on a space and operator available basis. We looked
at sending a 817 for the transponder sats, but the space and operators
unfamiliar with current satellites kept us to the HT and Arrow. I think it's
still a positive that so many made QSOs considering the alternative.
Rest assured I've learned from this, and future efforts will benefit from
those lessons. Meanwhile, I've identified the jerks among us from some of
the really out of line negative comments directed at me and the expedition
members ;-).
73, Drew
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