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Today's Topics:

1.  AMSAT-UK website (John Heaton)
2. Re: podcast (David Goncalves)
3. Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H (George Henry)
4. Re: Preamp for a Mobile Application (Nate Duehr)
5. Re: ARR pre amp Query (Nate Duehr)
6. Re: podcast (Nate Duehr)
7. Re: Preamp for a Mobile Application (Tony Langdon)
8. Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H (Tim Tuck)
9. Re: ARR pre amp Query (Edward Cole)
10.  Podcasts (Bruce)
11. Re: ARR pre amp Query (Nate Duehr)
12. Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H (Tim Tuck)
13. Re: Anyone hearing SO-50 in the US ? (Kent R. Frazier)
14.  YO22NATO active on Satellites today (Robert Turlington)
15.  Re-purposing ATVs (wa6ilt(AT)verizon.net)
16. Re: Re-purposing ATVs (Jeff Moore)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:21:07 +0100
From: John Heaton <john(AT)manchester.ac.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  AMSAT-UK website
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Greetings,

I'm in the process of moving offices from ones end of the University
campus to the other (around 0.75 mile) and since the AMSAT-UK website
is on one of my desktop systems, it will be moving too.  When that
happens, sometime in the next week or so the AMSAT-UK website will be
going offline for a few hours.  I don't know exactly when, as its all
dependent on when the University gets it done.

Bye for now, John
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:24:32 -0400
From: "David Goncalves" <davegoncalves(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: podcast
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
	<efbd6ca10804021324r2f155b4byea5646afab0c157c(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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The net is going podcast - WOW! I would do listen to that!

David Goncalves
W1EUJ

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Jonny 290 <jonny290(AT)gmail.com> wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> Good decision on considering distributing via podcast. A podcast is simply
> these two things:
> 1: An audio file of the podcast hosted on webspace somewhere - usually mp3,
> sometimes m4a
> 2: An RSS file in XML (XML is like HTML but has definable tags) pointing to
> the mp3/m4a.. RSS files are basically 'headline feeds' - client programs
> such as iTunes get set up to check them regularly for updates, and in the
> case of podcasts, automatically download the linked podcast if it's new.
>
> The trick is dynamically updating the XML file to match the latest MP3
> you've uploaded. Think of iTunes simply as a directory service. You'll need
> to sort out hosting and the XML file but after you do that, you just submit
> it to iTunes for inclusion to their directory.
>
> You don't *have* to list it on iTunes but it is recommended for listener
> exposure and easy access by iTunes/iPod users.
>
> I've not delved into it beyond the basics, but there should be many guides
> and apps out there that let you create the XML files from your mp3
> filenames, and tag/describe them. Beyond that, all you need to do is get
> people subscribing to it. They'll get sent new episodes the next time they
> poll the RSS feed every time you update it.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Bruce <kk5do(AT)arrl.net> wrote:
>
> > Someone suggested that I provide the Houston AMSAT Net as a podcast. I
> > am not familiar with how Apple does this, can someone shed some light on
> > how to send my mp3 files to them? I found a link on their website for
> > using iTunes to set it up but it says that it requires XML and I do not
> > have anything in the XML language.
> >
> > Can you just send them the file and they take care of it? Or is there a
> > repository that you can send the file and that's it?
> >
> > 73...bruce
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bruce Paige, KK5DO
> >
> > AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
> >
> > ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
> >
> > Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on
> > Galaxy-25 (AT)97? West,
> > Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To
> > Air)
> > Also streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
> >
> > Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
> > http://www.arrl.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



--
David Goncalves



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:37:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
	<30781671.1207168623891.JavaMail.root(AT)elwamui-
hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Tuck <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
>Sent: Apr 2, 2008 2:37 PM
>To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
>
[snip]
>I'm pretty sure you will need to have your 910 in Satellite mode to work
>correctly.
>I use mine with Orbitron and WispDDE and that works fine as does SatPC32
>
>regards
>
>Tim
>


SatPC32 puts it into Satellite mode for you when you enable CAT tuning.  He
won't need to touch the button on the radio at all.

George, KA3HSW




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:38:10 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Preamp for a Mobile Application
To: Amsat-Bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <CE09EF5E-1F59-4793-956E-D7E94D8CFB3F(AT)natetech.com>
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On Mar 31, 2008, at 8:01 AM, Bill Dzurilla wrote:
> Kent,
>
> Never tried it, but I doubt a preamp would be worth
> the expense if mounted at the rig in a mobil set-up.
> I assume the feedline is only 10' or so.  The preamp
> helps most when the feedline is lengthy, especially if
> cheap coax is used.


Agreed with all of Bill's comments, snipped to save space.

The "dollars to dBs" value proposition for pre-amps in a mobile
installation with short coax runs doesn't work out until after you
have an incredibly large antenna system.

A higher gain antenna and a way to point it "buys" you a lot more
signal at the receiver, and is probably cheaper -- up to a point.  It
also helps you out on transmit, so you get "double-duty" out of
antenna system upgrades.

(One can always look at some of the papers from organizations like the
Southeastern VHF Society, from weak signal VHF terrestrial
enthusiasts, especially "rover" stations in this particular case to
see the math to engineer the "best" system one can for mobile weak-
signal operations, since that's all Satellite work really is... weak-
signal operating with a need to point the antenna more critically and
more often, in both a horizontal and vertical plane, and different
operating techniques.  At the end of the day, other than Doppler
shift, the RF physics are the same.)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
nate(AT)natetech.com





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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:29:42 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARR pre amp Query
To: Amsat-Bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <2772E278-9448-4938-A9E9-90251C13F1B0(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes


On Mar 31, 2008, at 2:11 PM, John W Lee wrote:
>
> I have an FT-847 with the good internal preamps.
> The  ARR  SP432VDG even makes this setup BETTER!
> I use both the internal and SP-432VDG.  Signals are
> mostly VERY good.   Also use a 20 element beam on the downlink.

For those interested, there was a nice discussion of how to calculate
the noise figure of cascaded pre-amps on the Repeater-Builder mailing
list about two weeks ago.

The postings should be pretty easy to find in the RB list's archives
at YahooGroups.

If you're not interested in Repeaters, you can always join a
YahooGroup (if the list is on YahooGroups) and set your preferences to
"no e-mail", so you can read list archives, look in the Files area, etc.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
nate(AT)natetech.com





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:11:26 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: podcast
To: Amsat-Bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <512D9995-DA3D-4A76-BE42-3B531CDF443B(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes


On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:16 PM, John R. Klim II wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> See http://radio.about.com/od/podcastin1/a/aa030805a.htm for more
> details on
> Podcasting.


The Wikipedia page also describes it pretty well.

Summary of notes for people new to podcasting:

- The "pod" in "podcast" doesn't mean that only an Apple-brand iPod
can play it.  Podcasts are typically just MP3 files stored on a
webserver.  Literally anyone with a web browser and a way to play an
MP3 file on a PC can listen to "podcasts".  The "magic" comes in the
next comment.

- In other to get the "cast" part of "podcast" and RSS feed file in
XML format is also placed on the webserver to "syndicate" the
distribution of the podcast file.  "Podcatcher" type software can then
"see" that a new file has been uploaded and download it.  Then these
programs also often have "sync" software to sync un-heard files into
some kind of portable player, an iPod, iRiver... whatever you might
have.

- Most podcasts today also include an "icon" graphics file on the
server and referenced in the XML that provides a little
"advertisement" in graphics (AMSAT logo for yours probably?) that the
player can show when you click on a particular podcast in your player
of choice.

- And finally a "warning"... make sure you have high bandwidth caps on
whatever server you use... because of the automated download nature of
podcasts, as soon as you put that XML file out there, your server is
likely to take a beating while hundreds of people download your
podcast.  And they MIGHT not even listen to it... or if they're like
me, they're behind "forever" on the various content they want to
listen to, and "get around to it" by storing unlistened-to files in
their player... I recently finished up the 2006 files in one of my
lesser-listened-to podcasts.

- Going back to the Apple thing, users can "point" iTunes directly at
your server... and you can provide directions to do so, or you can
create custom "buttons" or links that will "enter" the data for them
into iTunes and a couple of other popular players.   If you want to be
a "nice guy".  These links/buttons could be put on the main Houston
AMSAT page, etc.

As far as the file goes, and the XML... there are a bunch of free
tools out there to create the RSS "feed" and things.  And from what
I've read and when I was playing with it, Apple's XML reader expects
certain fields to be used for certain things so it's a good idea to
"subscribe" a few players from your testing machine and see how things
look, so you can "drive" your tools correctly.

Since a large number of your users will probably be subscribing with
iTunes, I would target getting it right first...

All the Apple folks do is "re-publish" your RSS feeds for you, as long
as you meet their criteria.  Some folks have tried for years to get
their highly popular podcasts on iTunes Music Library and never gotten
answers as to why Apple wouldn't put them on there, and others who
have horrible podcasts that are an utter waste of time, get theirs
done easily.  I think your "topic" shouldn't have any problems.  Look
up how to add things like the "Clean" tag, telling people that there's
no profanity in your podcast, etc... those little XML perks are useful
for folks who have families, etc.

Also be forewarned that there are a LOT of fly-by-night software
makers and servers out there that were trying to "cash in" on
podcasting.  They either offer software at high cost (who needs it,
you can literally edit the XML file by hand if you know what you're
doing, or find free software to assist you until you're comfortable
doing it) or offer free server space that isn't always "free" or has
bandwidth caps, etc...

A final note:  Production quality is important.  If the recording is
cruddy (easy to do when coming from an FM 2-way rig), too hot, too
low, etc... no "bumper" announcements etc... it sounds crude and/or
will REALLY sound bad on a decent stereo.  (I listen to podcasts via
an iPod adapter in my Jeep on an upgraded non-factory sound system,
for example.)  Nothing is more of a turn-off for a podcast listener
than to have to constantly jockey the volume or have to mess with
treble/bass controls to make your recording sound better.  Treat it as
critically (or close) as you might a full-blown broadcast production
and it'll be great.  Slap a cheap low-bitrate MP3 recorder on an FM
rig and forget to set levels critically, and you won't have any
listeners.

One of the best ham radio podcasts out there, is Jeff KE9V's podcast
called "Long Delayed Echos".  Jeff uses the Wordpress blogging
software to handle the "syndication" part of his podcast, which can be
a little confusing to first-time listeners, but I think he also
provides those "magic links" for iTunes and maybe Podcatcher?  Don't
remember... but Wordpress has a built in RSS feature for syndicating
your text blog posts, and it's been found that it works well for MP3
files too, so it's a popular way for home users doing small podcasts
to publish.  Jeff is also listed (the last time I looked) on the feeds
from the iTunes Music Store (often abbreviated ITMS by those talking
about how to get more listeners for their podcasts).

Whew... sorry that was a long brain dump on podcasts and podcasting.
I haven't listened to (much) commercial radio since I "discovered" them.

http://www.natetech.com/?p=241 -- my little article about what I'm
usually "subscribed" to.

Better content, more focused on what I'm personally interested in, and
I'm always glad to hear about more Amateur Radio content!  No matter
how you slice it, well-produced or cheesy but with good content... the
stuff I download to listen to is usually a LOT better than the
corporate media companies put out on broadcast these days, that's for
sure!

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
nate(AT)natetech.com





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:44:56 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Preamp for a Mobile Application
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <47f3fe5d.1b018e0a.1948.ffffbf23(AT)mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 07:38 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:

>The "dollars to dBs" value proposition for pre-amps in a mobile
>installation with short coax runs doesn't work out until after you
>have an incredibly large antenna system.

In the case of a mobile installation, I'd spend my money on the
feedline.  Design the coax run for 1.2 GHz or higher.  Doing this
means losses at 70cm will be negligible.  Next, select an antenna
suitable for what you are attempting to do.  A 2m 1/4 wave might be a
good option for mobile satellite work.  With a high quality feedline,
I actually had very good results working mobile on a high gain mobile
whip, much to my surprise!.  In any case, keep the gain low, you
don't want all your radiation on the horizon, and directional
antennas on a mobile are rarely practical (try aiming one on a
winding road :D ).  But first of all, spend the $$$$ on the feedline.

73 de VK3JED
http://vkradio.com



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:30:39 +1100
From: "Tim Tuck" <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
To: "Rafael Valdez G." <xe2rv(AT)amsat.org>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47F4090F.4020508(AT)penrith.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Rafael Valdez G. wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I have an ICOM 706 and use Orbitron, by any chance do you know if I
> can do doppler control in it using the CIV?

Yes, with WispDDE, Orbitron sends the data to WispDDE and it controls
the radio. I don't think the 706 is full duplex but it should track
nicely anyway.  WispDDE also allows transparent  tuning, i.e. If I hear
someone in the passband  up from my initial position I can tune the 910
and  WispDDE will maintain  the doppler shift by computing the delta
between what Orbitron is telling it and what freq it gets back from the
radio. All very cool. SatPC32 will do that too.

cheers

Tim

--

VK2XTT :: QF56if :: BMARC :: WIA :: AMSAT



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:46:39 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARR pre amp Query
To: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>, Amsat-Bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <200804030146.m331kdnm081314(AT)iris.acsalaska.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 12:29 PM 4/2/2008, Nate Duehr wrote:

>On Mar 31, 2008, at 2:11 PM, John W Lee wrote:
> >
> > I have an FT-847 with the good internal preamps.
> > The  ARR  SP432VDG even makes this setup BETTER!
> > I use both the internal and SP-432VDG.  Signals are
> > mostly VERY good.   Also use a 20 element beam on the downlink.
>
>For those interested, there was a nice discussion of how to calculate
>the noise figure of cascaded pre-amps on the Repeater-Builder mailing
>list about two weeks ago.
>
>The postings should be pretty easy to find in the RB list's archives
>at YahooGroups.
>
>If you're not interested in Repeaters, you can always join a
>YahooGroup (if the list is on YahooGroups) and set your preferences to
>"no e-mail", so you can read list archives, look in the Files area, etc.
>
>--
>Nate Duehr, WY0X
>nate(AT)natetech.com

OR...you can click on this link to my website for a spreadsheet that
calculates noise figure, noise temperature, and MDS for three
cascaded stages.  The  whole spreadsheet which will calculate eme
path-link performance for two stations.  But the first section deals
with calculating noise figure.

http://www.kl7uw.com/emelink.xls



*****************************************************
73, Ed - KL7UW              BP40iq, 6m - 3cm
144-EME: FT-847, mgf-1801, 4x-xp20, 185w
http://www.kl7uw.com    AK VHF-Up Group
NA Rep. for DUBUS: dubususa(AT)hotmail.com
*****************************************************



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:02:15 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do(AT)arrl.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Podcasts
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <47F43AA7.9010506(AT)arrl.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Thanks to everyone that responded to me about podcasts. I was not able
to get it working with the free software and the free online services.
So, I worked up the XML code and put it on my website. If it works and
doesn't kill the connection of my friends server, we will be good to go.
I will let everyone know when it is tested and working well.

73...bruce

--

Bruce Paige, KK5DO

AMSAT Director Contests and Awards

ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE

Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on SkyScanner Satellite Radio Network on Galaxy-
25 (AT)97? West,
Transponder 23 (12115 Vert), Symbol Rate: 22425, APID: 1794 (DVB Free To Air)
Also streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com

Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
http://www.arrl.org





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:54:23 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARR pre amp Query
To: Amsat-Bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47F454EF.1050206(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Edward Cole wrote:

> OR...you can click on this link to my website for a spreadsheet that
> calculates noise figure, noise temperature, and MDS for three cascaded
> stages.  The  whole spreadsheet which will calculate eme path-link
> performance for two stations.  But the first section deals with
> calculating noise figure.
>
> http://www.kl7uw.com/emelink.xls

Nice work!  :-)

Nate WY0X


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:23:25 +1100
From: "Tim Tuck" <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with CIV and IC-910H
To: "D. Mynatt" <dave(AT)mynatt.biz>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47F45BBD.7010201(AT)penrith.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

D. Mynatt wrote:
> Guys, I've been watching the conversation.  I have a Icom R-20 HH;
> will this work for receive-only okay?
>
Not knowing the R20, I couldn't say - its not in the list of supported
radios for WispDDE but if it can be remotely controlled and its command
set is similar to an R7000, R8500 or PCR-1000 - it might work.

Someone else might like to chime in here if they've managed to get an
R20 working.

cheers

Tim


--

VK2XTT :: QF56if :: BMARC :: WIA :: AMSAT



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 02:12:30 -0500
From: "Kent R. Frazier" <k5knt(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Anyone hearing SO-50 in the US ?
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID:
	<7caa889a0804030012y2f539e1dp14aa537add53a6b2(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I heard a lot of activity on the April 2 2350 UCT pass. It was a 58 degree
elevation pass for my location (DM91). I tried to get in, working mobile
from a McDonald's parking lot, but didn't have any success.

Kent

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Jeff Moore <tnetcenter(AT)gmail.com> wrote:

> I've tried unsuccessfully to work the last 4 high elevation passes of
> SO-50
> including a 70 degree pass this morning.  I've heard a couple of snatches
> of
> activity, but not enough to even get a call sign.  This is in contrast to
> the pass I worked Saturday at 58 degrees that had a bunch of activity on
> it.
> I was thinking it was my equipment, 2m mobile into a dual-band GP and a 6
> element yagi and HT for downlink.
>
> Jeff Moore  --  KE7ACY
> CN94
> Bend, Oregon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronald Nutter" <rnutter(AT)networkref.com>
>
>
> I havent heard SO-50 on either of the two passes I could use today.  I
> had heard it over the weekend.  I had been on AO-51 and AO-16 today so I
> know my equipment is ok.
>
> Ron
> KA4KYI
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



--
Kent R. Frazier, K5KNT


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:37:12 +0100
From: Robert Turlington <rob_g8ate(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  YO22NATO active on Satellites today
To: Amsat Buleitin Board <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BAY134-W14146381622FE561AE5227C0F70(AT)phx.gbl>
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Hi All
YO22NATO will be active on AO27,SO50&AO51 today not sure after that though, so
look out for him!
I worked him at 1429 on SO50 this afternoon
Regards Robert G8ATE
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:50:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: <wa6ilt(AT)verizon.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Re-purposing ATVs
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I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a
sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit,
what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on board?

Dave Reinhart
wa6ilt(AT)amsat.org


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:23:16 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re-purposing ATVs
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They have to fill it with garbage first  :-)

Jeff Moore  --  KE7ACY

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From: <wa6ilt(AT)verizon.net>


I was reading about the Jules Verne docking at the ISS today and all of a
sudden it occurred to me: instead of using the spacecraft fuel to de-orbit,
what if it was placed in a higher orbit, and there was a ham package on
board?

Dave Reinhart
wa6ilt(AT)amsat.org



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