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Today's Topics:
1. K5D an embarrassment (Jim Danehy)
2. Re: (no subject) (Howard Kowall)
3. Re: (no subject) (Stephen Thornber)
4. Re: (no subject) (Jack K.)
5. Re: (no subject) (Sean Cavanaugh)
6. Re: (no subject) (Howard Kowall)
7. Re: K5D an embarrassment (racer5039)
8. Re: (no subject) (Curt Nixon)
9. Re: K5D an embarrassment (Bill Dzurilla)
10. Re: K5D an embarrassment (George Henry)
11. Re: K5D an embarrassment (Patrick Domack)
12. Talking to the Fish (Robert Smith)
13. Re: (no subject) (Kent Frazier)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:04:41 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] K5D an embarrassment
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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I no longer read the AMSAT bulletin board. I have intentionally not operated
the satellites for several months. I have some local friends who still do read
AMSAT BB and attempt to operate the satellites. They forwarded to me W4AS and
WD9EWK's emails concerning the (quite predictable) debacle with K5D.
My two local friends who continue to read AMSAT BB and operate AO 51 are very
disgusted with the operating on AO 51. It got to the point with me that any
attempts to show leadership by example or the written word received a
substantial amount of push back. So I put my ham radio operating in a
different mode.
I have been a licensed amateur since October 1952 and I have worked every DX
entity except North Korea. My total on the ARRL DXCC Honor Roll is 364
entities. I only cite my background in order to show some sense of credibility
and knowledge. I worked the satellites back in circa 1974 ( Oscar 6 ) when it
took some technical savvy to adjust for the Doppler effect. It was fun and
working some DX was a thrill that still lingers.
Upon my recent retirement I decided to equip my station with a satellite
setup. I have a substantial amount of money invested ( $3500 ) in antennas and
transceiver. I can work just about anything that I can hear. Since August 2008
until December I made more than 800 QSOs in 200 grids and 15 countries. I met
a lot of fine people who gave me good advice.
Unfortunately the operation of AO 51 is a large embarrassment. I have never in
56 years of operating ever seen demonstrated such poor operating procedures. I
am not writing this note to trash AMSAT. I could continue to operate,
experiment and enjoy HF and VHF radio and ignore the Satellite operation.
However, I have always thought when you see something that is terribly wrong
you have an obligation for the ( Ham and AMSAT ) community to speak out. That
is the spirit in which I write.
Operating an FM repeater on a satellite is asking for trouble. To attempt to
work DX on an FM repeater is a guarantee for trouble. Some operators have very
little operating experience of any kind. They take the lead of others they
hear operating. I read the AMSAT Journal in a matter of minutes and never look
at it again. The articles remind me of an IEEE Journal. Most ( not all ) of
the authors are not currently active on the satellites based upon my constant
use of the birds for four months. Very little is written about how to
operate. There is a need for such articles. Sebastian, W4AS is correct in
stating that there are a substantial number of users who never read or are
even aware of the AMSAT BB. Fewer yet are AMSAT members who get the Journal.
If you think that AO 51 represents the normal operating ability of the average
ham you are dreaming. AO 51 represents the VERY WORST operating I have
every witnessed. It is an embarrassment. I could list dozens of examples but
that would be a waste of time.
AO 51 is not the only satellite. I had to give up on AO 7 because of a K3
station who continues to use high power and trashes the transponder for others
who would like to use it. I have had numerous people write me about that
station. You can copy him in 5 or 6 spots when he transmits. That is an
embarrassment too. Yet nobody speaks out. It reminds me of the fable about the
Emperor and his new clothes.
I have heard some licensed operators turn the microphone over to their kid who
then CQs after CQs. . . .I list that of the many infractions because it is
easy to cure. Tell the operator to take the microphone back.
The satellites with transponders go relatively unused. Why ? If you do not
know the answer then you do not understand the question.
To those that continue to use and hopefully enjoy AO 51 jump in and speak out
when you see somebody doing something that is not helpful to the satellite
community. I think Sebastian did. I know that Patrick also has his heart in
the right place.
I recently travelled to the Turks & Caicos Islands for a vacation and some
radio operating. I got to use a rare prefix VQ5 rather than VP5. A couple of
my local friends asked if I was going to operate the satellites. I just looked
at them and smiled. They did too. I worked HF and it was enjoyable.
73 Jim W9VNE
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:58:12 -0600
From: "Howard Kowall" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Sven Arne Astrup"
<sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
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Thank you very much for the reply
Once again sorry for any inconvenience I have caused
I am fairly new to Satellite operation but have been reading the emails
coming in.
Concerning AO-51 and SO-50, procedures all this talk makes me a little
scared to try them,without making a mistake.
Thanks
Howard
VE4ISP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sven Arne Astrup" <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
To: "'Howard Kowall'" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>; "'AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: SV: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
Seems to be working ok now!
73 de Sven LA6KJ
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av Howard Kowall
Sendt: 23. februar 2009 17:50
Til: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Emne: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
Hope I have this working now.
Once again sorry for all this
Howard
VE4ISP
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:19:19 +0000
From: Stephen Thornber <skthornber@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: Howard Kowall <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Cc: Sven Arne Astrup <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Try and make mistakes - it is the best way to learn.
Stephen
On 23 Feb 2009, at 20:58, Howard Kowall wrote:
> Thank you very much for the reply
> Once again sorry for any inconvenience I have caused
> I am fairly new to Satellite operation but have been reading the
> emails
> coming in.
> Concerning AO-51 and SO-50, procedures all this talk makes me a little
> scared to try them,without making a mistake.
> Thanks
> Howard
> VE4ISP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sven Arne Astrup" <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
> To: "'Howard Kowall'" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>; "'AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxxx
> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:54 PM
> Subject: SV: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>
>
> Seems to be working ok now!
>
> 73 de Sven LA6KJ
>
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
> P? vegne
> av Howard Kowall
> Sendt: 23. februar 2009 17:50
> Til: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Emne: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>
> Hope I have this working now.
> Once again sorry for all this
> Howard
> VE4ISP
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:44:21 -0700
From: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: "Howard Kowall" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Sven Arne Astrup" <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
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Howard,
Do not feel in the least intimidated at using any Satellite you are legally
allowed to operate (had to put that in so you would not Try the Sirius Sats
he heh) I too have been reading the missive from the so called elitist users
who apparently never made a mistake, never ever did anything wrong and never
jumped the gun on a call trying for a rare DX station... Trust me they have,
I have, everyone has. the point is to learn from mistakes, Grow over time,
and don't let the little stuff bother you overmuch. While I am not a Leo
user and probably never will be, I doubt it the jamming (intentional or
otherwise) is any worse on the Sats than it is on 20 meters trying for K5D.
Bandwidth is not an issue regarding interference as K5D is only listening on
one frequency on 20 meters...Trust me it took me a week on 20 meter with my
vertical antenna and 100 watts to get in...
So while I hear the laments and the gnashing of teeth, the sat users are
suffering as everyone else is over K5D and while I do commiserate with them,
Think of what it would be like if everyone who could - tried the sats, they
would be unusable... But lest we not wander to far, My humble advice is
learn from your mistakes, and go forward with life and do not be intimidated
by the elitist who have been licensed since Noah floated his ark, or is the
most active op on the sats... Trust me they also have made their mistakes
and need to forgive you yours.
DE KD1PE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Kowall" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
To: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>; "Sven Arne Astrup"
<sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
Thank you very much for the reply
Once again sorry for any inconvenience I have caused
I am fairly new to Satellite operation
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:44:54 -0600
From: Sean Cavanaugh <seanc@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: Howard Kowall <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Cc: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <49A326E6.4060506@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
As someone who recently started working sats myself, I can only say try
it. I was nervous the first time I keyed up, but that went away pretty
quickly, and now I have a great time on the satellites.
Plus I need a VE4 QSO. ;)
--
Sean - VA5LF
Howard Kowall wrote:
> Thank you very much for the reply
> Once again sorry for any inconvenience I have caused
> I am fairly new to Satellite operation but have been reading the emails
> coming in.
> Concerning AO-51 and SO-50, procedures all this talk makes me a little
> scared to try them,without making a mistake.
> Thanks
> Howard
> VE4ISP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sven Arne Astrup" <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
> To: "'Howard Kowall'" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>; "'AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxxx
> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:54 PM
> Subject: SV: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>
>
> Seems to be working ok now!
>
> 73 de Sven LA6KJ
>
>
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx P? vegne
> av Howard Kowall
> Sendt: 23. februar 2009 17:50
> Til: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Emne: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>
> Hope I have this working now.
> Once again sorry for all this
> Howard
> VE4ISP
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:40:08 -0600
From: "Howard Kowall" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002701c99610$1026c830$6701a8c0@xxxxxxxxx>
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Well thanks to all that have replied
I have made some Satellite contacts on SO-50 and AO-51
I just find it seems kind of fast,the operators just speed out there call
and grid square and I am having trouble copying it
Even when I tell the to repeat it (which I don't really want to do because
it takes up Sat time)they still fire it off way to fast(maybe I am not as
young as I used to be)I just want to get some experience under my belt so I
can try the U/L ssb Sats then maybe some of the dig Sats
I have just joined Amsat and have found allot of info there,so I felt
joining was a good idea and also to support them .
Hope to have a qso with some of you,have to wait till it gets warmer out to
put my antennas up,just finished building and testing my rotor
controller,and have now got a good hang of SatPc32.I found that a rig only
half duplex is a bit of a pain,so I am not able to hear myself on the down
link,I will have to make arrangements with someone on calibrating the
correct tuning with a half duplex rig on AO-7
Thanks to all who took an interest in my email.
Howard
VE4ISP
Don't have my Amsat # yet sorry
I guess it come in the mail
Also how do you get into the members section??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Cavanaugh" <seanc@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: "Howard Kowall" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Cc: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
> As someone who recently started working sats myself, I can only say try
> it. I was nervous the first time I keyed up, but that went away pretty
> quickly, and now I have a great time on the satellites.
>
> Plus I need a VE4 QSO. ;)
>
> --
> Sean - VA5LF
>
> Howard Kowall wrote:
>> Thank you very much for the reply
>> Once again sorry for any inconvenience I have caused
>> I am fairly new to Satellite operation but have been reading the emails
>> coming in.
>> Concerning AO-51 and SO-50, procedures all this talk makes me a little
>> scared to try them,without making a mistake.
>> Thanks
>> Howard
>> VE4ISP
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sven Arne Astrup" <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
>> To: "'Howard Kowall'" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>; "'AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxxx
>> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:54 PM
>> Subject: SV: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>>
>>
>> Seems to be working ok now!
>>
>> 73 de Sven LA6KJ
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx P?
>> vegne
>> av Howard Kowall
>> Sendt: 23. februar 2009 17:50
>> Til: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
>> Emne: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>>
>> Hope I have this working now.
>> Once again sorry for all this
>> Howard
>> VE4ISP
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:27:00 -0600
From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Jim Danehy"
<jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BLU102-DAV51E943D0F83A73D2CD197ACAF0@xxx.xxx>
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I am a new operator on the sat's. I started back in mid December of 08.
I can tell you that I don't even look at the AO-51 pass data much any more
for the same things Jim has listed.
Its more like "Contest Mode" that any thing else and not just with the K5D
thing.
I have been checking to see what is going on with the K5D pass's but like
all of you, loose interest vary fast.
I think that if a DX station is going to be working the birds he should have
all the power he can get.
Let him clear his own way on the band and everyone will give him space.
If that DX station can't make it in with a good signal they have no chance
of controlling the space he will need.
Just a thought and that's only my own.
Marv
N0FJP
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:27:00 -0500
From: Curt Nixon <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: Howard Kowall <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Cc: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <49A33ED4.7040303@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Howard:
As a relative newbie to the Sats myself, I can tell you the most
intimidating thing for me was also the speed at which the guys delivered
the calls and grids phonetically. Its just that we aren't used to it.
It will get easiwer the more you listen. And, if you ever have the
opportunity to listen to air traffic controllers and pilots, it is
almost unintelligible..until you get used to listening to it. Also,
part of the comfort zone develops as you start to know ahead of time,
what to expect them to say.
Listen alot..you will get used to it.
FWIW
Curt
KU8L
EN82hi
Howard Kowall wrote:
> Well thanks to all that have replied
> I have made some Satellite contacts on SO-50 and AO-51
> I just find it seems kind of fast,the operators just speed out there call
> and grid square and I am having trouble copying it
> Even when I tell the to repeat it (which I don't really want to do because
> it takes up Sat time)they still fire it off way to fast(maybe I am not as
> young as I used to be)I just want to get some experience under my belt so I
> can try the U/L ssb Sats then maybe some of the dig Sats
> I have just joined Amsat and have found allot of info there,so I felt
> joining was a good idea and also to support them .
> Hope to have a qso with some of you,have to wait till it gets warmer out to
> put my antennas up,just finished building and testing my rotor
> controller,and have now got a good hang of SatPc32.I found that a rig only
> half duplex is a bit of a pain,so I am not able to hear myself on the down
> link,I will have to make arrangements with someone on calibrating the
> correct tuning with a half duplex rig on AO-7
> Thanks to all who took an interest in my email.
> Howard
> VE4ISP
> Don't have my Amsat # yet sorry
> I guess it come in the mail
> Also how do you get into the members section??
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Cavanaugh" <seanc@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
> To: "Howard Kowall" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
> Cc: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
>
>
>
>> As someone who recently started working sats myself, I can only say try
>> it. I was nervous the first time I keyed up, but that went away pretty
>> quickly, and now I have a great time on the satellites.
>>
>> Plus I need a VE4 QSO. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Sean - VA5LF
>>
>> Howard Kowall wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you very much for the reply
>>> Once again sorry for any inconvenience I have caused
>>> I am fairly new to Satellite operation but have been reading the emails
>>> coming in.
>>> Concerning AO-51 and SO-50, procedures all this talk makes me a little
>>> scared to try them,without making a mistake.
>>> Thanks
>>> Howard
>>> VE4ISP
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sven Arne Astrup" <sastrup@xxxxxx.xx>
>>> To: "'Howard Kowall'" <hkowall@xxxx.xx>; "'AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxxx
>>> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: SV: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems to be working ok now!
>>>
>>> 73 de Sven LA6KJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>> Fra: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx P?
>>> vegne
>>> av Howard Kowall
>>> Sendt: 23. februar 2009 17:50
>>> Til: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
>>> Emne: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>>>
>>> Hope I have this working now.
>>> Once again sorry for all this
>>> Howard
>>> VE4ISP
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
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>>>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:34:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Dzurilla <billdz.geo@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment
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Jim,
I agree with your premises, but your solution (ceasing to operate via
satellite) is not the one I would choose.
Yes, there is a lot of bad operating on AO-51 and other FM birds. Yes, a
flying repeater is not the ideal way to put ham radio into space (I don't go
as far back as you, but I remember AO-10 with fondness). Yes, a massive mess
is predictable when DX like K5D is on the air.
Not that two wrongs make a right, but the K5D situation on HF is not all that
much better. People screaming at each other on the air and on the clusters,
intentional QRM, calls from fake stations pretending to be K5D, EU and USA
stations arguing over where K5D should be listening, etc.
I took an HT with me on a 2008 DXpedition to Swan Island (HQ8R) and was quite
pleased overall with the decorum. I was particularly happy to receive several
nice emails from folks who thanked me for their first DX contact ever on ham
radio.
In my view, the FM sats are an easy intro to this aspect of ham radio. Those
who find it interesting and get into the sats will hopefully move up to the
linear birds and create momentum for more of these. Those who don't will go
away, hopefully without causing too much QRM. As with any type of beginner or
introductory mode, we can't expect perfect operators (and boy, did I make a
few dumb mistakes during my year as a novice).
You ask why the transponder sats go relatively unused. I think it is largely
because of the expense. I've wondered for a long time why there is such a
huge price differential between FM only and all-mode rigs. About the cheapest
way to get on the transponder sats is to buy a pair of used FT-817s plus a
rotatable antenna (I know that Patrick has worked them with an Arrow, but that
it is easier said than done). You can put up a respectable HF station for a
lower price. Not everyone has that kind of money to spend for a set-up that
allows you to operate for only a couple of passes each day.
So I'm sorry that the poor operators on the FM birds have driven you away, but
I think I'll stick it out for a bit longer. I agree with you about the need
for more teaching and for easier-to read articles about sat operations, and
hopefully someday you will join us again on the birds and on this BB.
73, Bill NZ5N
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:43:13 -0600
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment
To: "amsat bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:04 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] K5D an embarrassment
[snip]
> AO 51 is not the only satellite. I had to give up on AO 7 because of a K3
> station who continues to use high power and trashes the transponder for
> others who would like to use it. I have had numerous people write me about
> that station. You can copy him in 5 or 6 spots when he transmits. That is
> an embarrassment too. Yet nobody speaks out. It reminds me of the fable
> about the Emperor and his new clothes.
>
I'll second the alligator problem on AO-7.... I was listening to a Mode B
pass the other evening, and the poor girl's AGC was pumping away in time
with the signal of a VERY over-powered SSB station, who I won't name...
*This* time....
George, KA3HSW
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:00:36 -0500
From: Patrick Domack <patrickdk@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: K5D an embarrassment
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I'm one with fm only radio's currently. I was interested in, and got
to work on doing the packet satellites. It was pretty empty, except
when iss was on packet.
After doing this for awhile, my brother wanted to try the voice sats,
so I turned up a few passes of ao-51 and I think ao-27. That lastest a
few passes, before I decided I guess I will only do the digital sats,
and probably the ssb/cw ones when I get enough gear to work them.
Now with no satellites doing anything on packet now, it's alittle
depressing, I saw the japanese one doing it on the weekends now, but
haven't had my station setup for it since go32/no44 went down.
Now is no44 doing these days? I see a few hits but not many.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:47:43 -1000
From: "Robert Smith" <dukenuke@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Talking to the Fish
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Aloha All
Almost unimaginable, but true; most passes of AO-51 over Hawaii are "silent."
The two of us whom are the most frequent AO-51 users call it "talking to the
fish," i.e., no respondents. Luckily, low passes to the east often generate a
gratifying west coast contact; overhead passes though are locals only.
My first "session" on the mainland was indeed intimidating! When AO-51 came
over the horizon, it was not so much quieting as here in Hawaii but rather
scores of voices often so intense that for moments at a time the frequency
would actually be nulled. QSO's were fast paced and required careful
listening. It was an adrenaline rush! Although I am still a "newbie" or sorts,
I have worked AO-51 on the mainland a half a dozen times now. Things have not
changed. I am always rewarded with numerous contacts, albeit short QSOs, with
friendly, professional hams. In fact, I have not had a "bad experience," while
working AO-51 on the mainland. I am sure there are incidents but I agree with
some previous commentators that seemingly poor operating procedure typically
comes from lack of experience, lack of information, lack of good equipment
(esp. downlink) or a combination of the above. I do not believe during my
short history on AO-51 that I have heard anything or anyone that I would c!
onsider to be blatantly malicious. As aforementioned in previous submittals,
I believe education is the answer.
Yes, AO-51 is busy (on the mainland). During my early phase of satellite life,
I almost gave up because I was just talking to the fish!! Fortunately, wh6bie
appeared one day. With no disrespect to Kyle however, I do look forward to
hearing again, the voices of the literally hundreds of hams I have had to the
pleasure of talking to during my mainland visits. Much more gratifying than
talking to the fish!!
Respectfully
robert, NH7WN
Honolulu, HI
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:28:07 -0600
From: Kent Frazier <k5knt.kent@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: (no subject)
To: Howard Kowall <hkowall@xxxx.xx>
Cc: "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Howard,
I don't even try to copy my contacts right now. I started working the Sats
last year. Worked them about a month, suffered a hard drive crash loosing my
log. Just got things back. I use a recorder to record my contacts then play
that back and make my notes. I had a digital recorder but after a year of
not using it I can't find it. I'm using an old cassette tape recorder until
I can buy another one.
As for the members section. I think you are referring to the members section
on the amsat.org web site? I could be wrong, usually am my wife tells me,
but I think it's not fully online yet.
73, Kent
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 17:40, Howard Kowall <hkowall@xxxx.xx> wrote:
> Well thanks to all that have replied
> I have made some Satellite contacts on SO-50 and AO-51
> I just find it seems kind of fast,the operators just speed out there call
> and grid square and I am having trouble copying it
> Even when I tell the to repeat it (which I don't really want to do because
> it takes up Sat time)they still fire it off way to fast(maybe I am not as
> young as I used to be)I just want to get some experience under my belt so I
> can try the U/L ssb Sats then maybe some of the dig Sats
> I have just joined Amsat and have found allot of info there,so I felt
> joining was a good idea and also to support them .
> Hope to have a qso with some of you,have to wait till it gets warmer out to
> put my antennas up,just finished building and testing my rotor
> controller,and have now got a good hang of SatPc32.I found that a rig only
> half duplex is a bit of a pain,so I am not able to hear myself on the down
> link,I will have to make arrangements with someone on calibrating the
> correct tuning with a half duplex rig on AO-7
> Thanks to all who took an interest in my email.
> Howard
> VE4ISP
> Don't have my Amsat # yet sorry
> I guess it come in the mail
> Also how do you get into the members section??
>
--
Kent, K5KNT
Sent from: San Angelo Texas United States.
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