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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Messageboard Post (John B. Stephensen)
2. Recording TX Audio (Mike Hoblinski)
3. Re: Messageboard Post (David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB)
4. Anyone Feel Like Helping? (Clint Bradford)
5. HEO vs. LEO cost comparison (Eric Fort)
6. Re: Messageboard Post (Sebastian)
7. Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping? (Jeff Davis)
8. Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping? (Glenn Miller)
9. Re: Here we go again Was message board post (w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxxx
10. Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping? (Alan Sieg WB5RMG)
11. Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping? (Alan Sieg WB5RMG)
12. Re: Messageboard Post (Andrew Glasbrenner)
13. AO-51 mode L/S over Europe - no joy (Fer IW1DTU)
14. Re: Messageboard Post (Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ)
15. Re: AO-51 mode L/S over Europe - no joy (OZ1MY)
16. Endevour Auto Tracker and the IMac computer (Perry Yantis)
17. ISS SSTV active. (Cor)
18. Cant get keps for new sats on satpc32 (ryan woods)
19. Re: Cant get keps for new sats on satpc32 (Alan P. Biddle)
20. AO-7, 4000 + (TERRY BROMLEY)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:36:05 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: "Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ" <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <D59BD41CF0494031B801691CD70512FA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Sat-to-sat comms is hard because there's not space for gain antennas.
However, sat to ground to sat would work.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ" <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 21:28 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
> On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 19:33 +0000, John B. Stephensen wrote:
>> ats in 800 km orbits have much lower launch costs. However, the vast
>> majority of members told AMSAT that they didn't want more LEO satellites
>> after AO-51. Perhaps small is better.
>
> For the kind of money that cubesats cost, you could launch about a dozen
> of them instead of one geosynchronous one. That way you'd *always* have
> a cubesat or two visible. Add some sat-to-sat comms, and you're in
> business.
>
> Gordon
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:04:47 -0800
From: "Mike Hoblinski" <hobergenix@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Recording TX Audio
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <746A5574F1834696A921427D26E035EF@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have my Yaesu 897 interfaced to the computer with a Tigertronix Signalink
USB box.
I use a program to record the receive audio to the computer. I use the
standard Yaesu
Microphone that came with the radio. My only problem is that I am not able to
record
my TX audio.
Is their another interface that would give me the ability to record both my TX
and RX audio.
My other thought is to build an interface box between the Mic and the radio
and then feed
the Mic audio into the computer sound card.
Any suggestions or descriptions of how other people record both TX and RX
audio.
Mike Hoblinski
N6IMF
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:05:53 -0500
From: David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB <m0zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <497D0C71.5000007@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Sebastian,
Why would you get a "free key" for SatPC32?
I paid for mine on the AMSAT website on Thursday morning and the "key"
was e-mailed to me by Martha a couple of hours later!
Are they giving them away now? :-\
David
KG4ZLB/M0ZLB
www.kg4zlb.com
Sebastian wrote:
>
>
>
> Now on the other hand; I submitted my payment to AMSAT 2 weeks ago. I
> requested the free key for SATPC32. I haven't heard a thing back. I
> emailed Martha a week ago, and I still haven't heard anything back
> from her. Not a complaint; but new members should be welcomed, that's
> one way of getting additional members; and keeping existing members.
>
> 73 de W4AS
> Sebastian
> AMSAT # ?
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:48:01 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Anyone Feel Like Helping?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BA2F02B1-F312-45A6-BB77-3919633A0AB3@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Do I just let this moron rant against AMSAT ... or does anyone else
want to participate in the thread???
http://www.eham.net/forums/Satellites
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:16:57 -0800
From: Eric Fort <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO vs. LEO cost comparison
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<2ad2af430901251816r660088dam78cc8a2a2e38e321@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I've been thinking about the LEO vs. HEO debate recently and have come to a
question, What is the cost comparison between launching 1 HEO sat vs. a
constellation of LEO sats similar to what iridium has flying? Has this cost
analysis been done? It seems many people just want a communications
resource that is generally available from where they are and allows multiple
simultanious (voice bandwith or wider) users. We seem to spend way too much
time arguing over HEO vs. LEO when the real discussion seems that it should
be how to most effectively provide a communications resource that best
serves the amateur radio community in serving it's purpose as specified in
47CFR97.1 (apologies to the non-US hams on the BB but is not the outline
similar most everywhere for our service) which reads:
Section 97.1
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur
radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following
principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with
respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute
to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which
provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases
of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance
international goodwill.
How can we best provide or at least contribute to this goal. What is the
most cost effective option and how can we get there?
Eric
AF6EP
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:24:23 -0500
From: Sebastian <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20351598-3E67-4F17-881E-7A7BD0593C4E@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
You are correct, that was my mistake. There is a list of items you
can get without additional cost to become a member, however to get a
key for SATPC32 the membership fee is more expensive. I stand
corrected.
73 de W4AS
Sebastian
On Jan 25, 2009, at 8:05 PM, David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB wrote:
> Sebastian,
>
> Why would you get a "free key" for SatPC32?
>
> I paid for mine on the AMSAT website on Thursday morning and the "key"
> was e-mailed to me by Martha a couple of hours later!
>
> Are they giving them away now? :-\
>
> David
> KG4ZLB/M0ZLB
> www.kg4zlb.com
>
>
>
> Sebastian wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Now on the other hand; I submitted my payment to AMSAT 2 weeks
>> ago. I
>> requested the free key for SATPC32. I haven't heard a thing back. I
>> emailed Martha a week ago, and I still haven't heard anything back
>> from her. Not a complaint; but new members should be welcomed,
>> that's
>> one way of getting additional members; and keeping existing members.
>>
>> 73 de W4AS
>> Sebastian
>> AMSAT # ?
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> author.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:24:27 -0500
From: Jeff Davis <ke9vee@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<76d6fe480901251824p2d93e9bp92854e5a5c78a436@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Do I just let this moron rant against AMSAT ... or does anyone else
> want to participate in the thread???
>
> http://www.eham.net/forums/Satellites
The guy is a troll -- why waste the time?
Jeff, KE9V
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:11:12 -0600
From: Glenn Miller <aa5pk@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping?
To: AMSAT BBS <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BLU147-W4579ABE9D3DBBBF2129162E1CA0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Please don't feed the troll :-)
Glenn, AA5PK
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:28:17 +0000
From: w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Here we go again Was message board post
To: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<012620090328.28889.497D2DD10003CD38000070D922155786740B9D04C999@xxxxxxx
.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
My three cents. AO-7 is as good as it gets as far a time on satellite and
distance. It is very under used. I have been in many three way QSO's where
we do what we do. We have a fun bunch of "characters" that I enjoy yaking
with. I believe in the concept and the idea that eventually we will have a
HEO. It depends on efforts and support now, not after launch. I can be found
on AO-7 on most passes.
73 Bob W7LRD
AMSAT 28498
--
"if this were easy, everyone would be doing it"
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>
>
> I hesitate to toss my two cents in as I am not a member of AMSAT and have
> not been one for a long time as AMSAT apparently has moved in directions my
> interests do not lie. I still read the bb messages and I still want to get
> back on the sats, but 15 second more or less contacts do no interest me
> regardless of what the mode is. I have no interest in chasing sates to
> listen to their telemetry - My feeling is that if I can not use the stinking
> thing, then I am not going to support it.
>
> So until there are some SSB high level sats going up or there is something
> beyond the "lets talk about it" stage my efforts and my wallet won't support
> AMSAT or anyone else. Yeah I know I am by using the BB and yes that makes me
> a moocher, but on the other hand maybe someone will read it and take a hint
> and once more I will have something usefull to me and my efforts and bucks
> will once more flow outward instead of just dusting my old Sat equipment
> which I should have sold long ago, but kept believing that one day AMSAT
> would have a high level Sat again that actually worked when it went up
>
> DE KD1PE
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:14:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "Alan Sieg WB5RMG" <wb5rmg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1957.192.168.121.31.1232943274.squirrel@xxx.xxx.xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
I'd suspect that since he started 'his thread', that he WILL have the
last word. Not that your efforts are without merit, just don't expect
to win (at least not in 'his thread')... No doubt you don't expect him
to behave as rationally and mature as most of the folks on AMSAT-BB.
I rarely engage in the discussions on QRZ and eHam for that simple reason.
Many just like to spout to see their own words in print.
He appears to be holding a minority opinion, as most topics in that
satellite forum are more what might be expected. Hams being helpful to
other hams with questions... That is apparently not enough for some.
I may add a few comments - if the email confirmation from eHam ever
gets here. It won't let me reply until I click a magic link.
Thanks /;^)
--
<- Licensed in 1976, WB5RMG = Alan Sieg * AMSAT#20554 ->
<- http://www.somenet.net * http://wb5rmg.somenet.net ->
<- http://www.linkedin.com/in/alansieg * My 'Day Job' ->
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:36:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Alan Sieg WB5RMG" <wb5rmg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Anyone Feel Like Helping?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <2285.192.168.121.31.1232944567.squirrel@xxx.xxx.xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
well crud...
I finally got the email, and clicked the magic link.
So when I try to reply, first it wanted me to send money...
Then following the instructions, I hit reload - and it says :
"There is a short moratorium before newly registered users may post.
The actual time may vary from a few hours to a day or two while the staff
reviews them. "
Good thing I wasn't needing a gun or anything...
- or had something mean that I really needed to get off my chest.
I'll just hafta wait around for another satellite pass and enjoy my hobby.
Could be worse I guess.
/;^)
--
<- Licensed in 1976, WB5RMG = Alan Sieg * AMSAT#20554 ->
<- http://www.somenet.net * http://wb5rmg.somenet.net ->
<- http://www.linkedin.com/in/alansieg * My 'Day Job' ->
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:52:13 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: "Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ" <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <067D1F327FBD4C3994E7ED2144CE5409@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
>
> For the kind of money that cubesats cost, you could launch about a dozen
> of them instead of one geosynchronous one.
Just to illustrate how insanely expensive GEO/GTO launches are, it's more
like 1 small GEO/GTO package launch= 200 cubesat launches.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:23:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Fer IW1DTU <heliox694-iw1dtu@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 mode L/S over Europe - no joy
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <128337.46482.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Probably I am wrong and still sleeping but this early morning?A0-51 at 05:30
UTC was not in mode L/S according to the published schedule.
Signal in S band was loud and clear as usually but I didn't succeed.
According to some particular QRM it could be in mode V/S - Sorry but at
present my V/U antenna are inoperative?due to?servicing so I couldn't check.
Any other reports ?
?
73, Fer IW1DTU
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:18:08 +0000
From: Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <1232965088.19857.43.camel@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 21:24 -0500, Sebastian wrote:
> You are correct, that was my mistake. There is a list of items you
> can get without additional cost to become a member, however to get a
> key for SATPC32 the membership fee is more expensive. I stand
> corrected.
So an email to say "You're a muppet, you need to pay for a SATPC32 key"
would have been courteous.
Gordon
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:35:19 +0100
From: "OZ1MY" <oz1my@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 mode L/S over Europe - no joy
To: <heliox694-iw1dtu@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: ao51-modes@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <000801c97fa1$c906d460$6401a8c0@xxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Fer,
Thanks for your e-mail.
You are right - the uplink is 145.920 MHz and
down 2401.200 MHz - so it is mode-V/S right now.
AOS here in Copenhagen 1024 UTC with 3 degrees af max elevation.
73 OZ1MY
Ib
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fer IW1DTU" <heliox694-iw1dtu@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:23 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 mode L/S over Europe - no joy
Probably I am wrong and still sleeping but this early morning A0-51 at 05:30
UTC was not in mode L/S according to the published schedule.
Signal in S band was loud and clear as usually but I didn't succeed.
According to some particular QRM it could be in mode V/S - Sorry but at
present my V/U antenna are inoperative due to servicing so I couldn't check.
Any other reports ?
73, Fer IW1DTU
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:47:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Perry Yantis <py41@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Endevour Auto Tracker and the IMac computer
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <257569.3031.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I have purchased Endevour Auto Tracker and installed it on my IMac computer.
I am having some difficulity in getting things working.
I wonder if anyone out there in Amsat BB neighborhood has experience with this
setup that can give me some clues to
what I am doing wrong??
I am using the IMac computer, keyspan usb-serial adaptor, Mac Doppler
software, and the Kenwood TS2000x.
Perry WB8OTH
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:02:07 +0100
From: "Cor" <spacecor@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV active.
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002301c97fc7$1020e320$6401a8c0@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello All,
ISS SSTV system is active on 145.800Mhz.
I received 3 sky images at 26 Jan. 2009 14:35UTC pass.
73's Cor PD0RKC
http://iss.ontwikkel.nl
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:15:23 -0800 (PST)
From: ryan woods <kd8atf@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cant get keps for new sats on satpc32
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <898507.38687.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hello everyone I cant get the keps for the new sats on satpc32 can anyone help
me?I would like to listen to them. congrads to the sat team members
?
?
73 de kd8atf fm09
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:24:47 -0600
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cant get keps for new sats on satpc32
To: "'ryan woods'" <kd8atf@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <59570A5DEEA8485C804AB308842D1AC2@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Ryan,
Just go to Update Keps and then select the tle-new from the choice of
download. The latest batch will have names like 2009-002A, which is what is
elsewhere called Object A. Going back to the Satellite page, you can then
select it as the source file, define a new group if you wish, and go from
there.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:38:31 -0000
From: "TERRY BROMLEY" <terry.bromley@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7, 4000 +
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <9BD2494A00E3418694B0037D73E82BA7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Congratulation's Jean on reaching 4000+ qso on this very good old bird. Great
to have been a part of the 4000. Great bird, many friends.
73s Terry G1WPR.
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