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Today's Topics:
1. New sats and HRD Keps ? (racer5039)
2. Re: New sats and HRD Keps ? (Simon (HB9DRV))
3. Re: Information on the Icom IC-820H (Ron G. Seiler)
4. Messageboard Post (Clint Bradford)
5. AEA ST-1 Satellite Tracker (David)
6. Re: Messageboard Post (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
7. Re: Messageboard Post (K8KFJ@xxx.xxxx
8. Re: AEA ST-1 Satellite Tracker (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
9. Re: New sats and HRD Keps ? (racer5039)
10. Re: New sats and HRD Keps ? (Simon (HB9DRV))
11. Re: Messageboard Post (John B. Stephensen)
12. Re: New sats and HRD Keps ? (Alan P. Biddle)
13. Re: Messageboard Post (David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB)
14. Re: Messageboard Post (Robert Bruninga)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:08:04 -0600
From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] New sats and HRD Keps ?
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BLU102-DAV11920D59F026FF77631694ACCD0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I am using HRD for my rig control and would like to ask, if the Keps are being
loaded into HRD yet for the new Sats?
If they are what are they called?
I have tried to load the keps by hand but I can't seem to get this to work. I
am sure it is an operator problem.
I posted a question on the HRD site but didn't het much help over there.
Marv
N0FJP, EN34jc
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:17:32 +0100
From: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New sats and HRD Keps ?
To: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>, "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <4817EBD1786942829254E2D5A183BC38@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mary,
I suggest you ask which Keps files contain the new sats. Sorry you didn't
get an answer - I am buried with coding a new logbook at the moment.
You can always save the TLE Keps data to a text file and load this file in
to HRD.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
>I am using HRD for my rig control and would like to ask, if the Keps are
>being loaded into HRD yet for the new Sats?
> If they are what are they called?
> I have tried to load the keps by hand but I can't seem to get this to
> work. I am sure it is an operator problem.
> I posted a question on the HRD site but didn't het much help over there.
> Marv
> N0FJP, EN34jc
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:12:38 -0800
From: "Ron G. Seiler" <rgseiler@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on the Icom IC-820H
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <2D5D0F71FB4F45C1A8D2090A2337CE62@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The IC-820H information is no longer available. It's on its way to a new
owner.
73,
Ron VA7VW
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Ron G. Seiler
Sent: 25-Jan-09 07:31 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Information on the Icom IC-820H
Hello all,
I have an envelope of printed information on the the Icom IC-820H consisting
of:
- a May 1994 Satellite Operator newsletter with a review by Bob Meyers W1XT
- a reprint of the September-October 1994 Satellite Times magazine test
- a print of James Miller G3RUH's 11 Nov 1994 review
- a copy of the March 1995 product review from QST
- a photocopy of the original Icom brochure
- prints of mods for QRP, MARS, 9600 baud PACSAT, expanded RF and cross band
repeat (I never tried these so you would use at your own risk)
If this is of any use to anyone, please email me at va7vw@xxxxx.xxx and I
will mail it to you.
73,
Ron VA7VW
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:29:38 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Messageboard Post
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Over on eHam.net today ...
Ok, so I go check out the Amsat website. Yawn. I look through their
mission statement and history sections. Yawn.
Seems that they have not updated their website for awhile. I mean,
they still are talking about their "up and coming" phase 3-D
satellite! (c.1996) Hmmm, that was what, 13 years ago? And they want
me to join, and give them *money*? What a joke.
Ok, now that I have picked myself off of the floor from laughing so
hard, here is the question. Why should I (or anyone else) give these
clowns money if they cannot even update their web site. Comeon,
everyone knows that 3-D was a flop, except maybe AMSAT.
The originators of the OSCAR program were cutting edge amateurs that
were rivaling the commercial telecomunications satellite industry.
They were trying to place their 5th bird in a geostationary orbit, but
launch vehicle failure prevented that. Now all that Amsat seems to be
able to do is (in the words of a certain late USSR dictator,
paraphrased) is launch grapfruit sized microsats.
So I never like to criticize something without some suggestions for
improving the situation. Here is my idea... Why not a group of
American amateur radio people get together that have nothing to do
with the incompetence of AMSAT, and actually build an OSCAR 5 for geo-
synch orbit? If it could be done thirty years ago, it can be done now.
No need to have a "global" effort involving millions of dollars and
amateurs from thirty countries building a thousand pound bird. Lets do
this like the original OSCAR folks did, keep it simple(r), and let the
politicos at AMSAT continue to try to justify their existence while
some honest to God hams get the bird built and lofted. With today's
improved solar cells and hardened electronics, if we could get a bird
in a Clark slot, it would last for quite awhile, and actually provide
a (non-digital) communication service to the amateur radio community.
Best and 73,
Joe KB0TXC
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:32:19 -0800
From: "David" <maxtaz@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AEA ST-1 Satellite Tracker
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <8005B8F48E4D48A9AB38FED0C071D114@xxxxxxxxx>
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Greetings. Has anyone converted the AEA ST-1 to operate from a USB port in
place of the old Com port. I would like to use it on a new computer that has
only USB ports.
Thanks for any and all help.
Dave VA7DG
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:48:09 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <497CB3E9.7070104@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Wasn't Oscar 5 launched by/for Australia in the mid 1960s?
Doesn't the front page of the Amsat web site carry details of the Japanese
sats launched 2 days ago?
Where's this bloke been looking?
Clint Bradford wrote:
> Over on eHam.net today ...
>
> Ok, so I go check out the Amsat website. Yawn. I look through their
> mission statement and history sections. Yawn.
>
> Seems that they have not updated their website for awhile. I mean,
> they still are talking about their "up and coming" phase 3-D
> satellite! (c.1996) Hmmm, that was what, 13 years ago? And they want
> me to join, and give them *money*? What a joke.
>
> Ok, now that I have picked myself off of the floor from laughing so
> hard, here is the question. Why should I (or anyone else) give these
> clowns money if they cannot even update their web site. Comeon,
> everyone knows that 3-D was a flop, except maybe AMSAT.
>
> The originators of the OSCAR program were cutting edge amateurs that
> were rivaling the commercial telecomunications satellite industry.
> They were trying to place their 5th bird in a geostationary orbit, but
> launch vehicle failure prevented that. Now all that Amsat seems to be
> able to do is (in the words of a certain late USSR dictator,
> paraphrased) is launch grapfruit sized microsats.
>
> So I never like to criticize something without some suggestions for
> improving the situation. Here is my idea... Why not a group of
> American amateur radio people get together that have nothing to do
> with the incompetence of AMSAT, and actually build an OSCAR 5 for geo-
> synch orbit? If it could be done thirty years ago, it can be done now.
> No need to have a "global" effort involving millions of dollars and
> amateurs from thirty countries building a thousand pound bird. Lets do
> this like the original OSCAR folks did, keep it simple(r), and let the
> politicos at AMSAT continue to try to justify their existence while
> some honest to God hams get the bird built and lofted. With today's
> improved solar cells and hardened electronics, if we could get a bird
> in a Clark slot, it would last for quite awhile, and actually provide
> a (non-digital) communication service to the amateur radio community.
>
> Best and 73,
>
> Joe KB0TXC
>
>
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
> 909-241-7666
>
>
>
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Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxx www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:49:44 EST
From: K8KFJ@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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_clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx (mailto:clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx wrote:
> Why should I (or anyone else) give these
> clowns money if they cannot even update their web site. Come on,
> everyone knows that 3-D was a flop, except maybe AMSAT
Geez Joe, I wish you could loosen up a bit and tell us how you really feel.
:-)
73, Gary -K8KFJ-
West Virginia <EM98>
AMSAT #32,574
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:49:17 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AEA ST-1 Satellite Tracker
To: David <maxtaz@xxxx.xx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <497CB42D.7020400@xxxxx.xxx>
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Converted?
Can you not just use a USB/serial adaptor like everybody else has to?
David wrote:
> Greetings. Has anyone converted the AEA ST-1 to operate from a USB port in
> place of the old Com port. I would like to use it on a new computer that has
> only USB ports.
> Thanks for any and all help.
>
> Dave VA7DG
>
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1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxx www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:00:01 -0600
From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New sats and HRD Keps ?
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Simon \(HB9DRV\)"
<simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Message-ID: <BLU102-DAV1075616F9B6BB65733422ACCD0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Yep I was right. The operator is the problem.
HE (not she) has no idea what file needs to be loaded and where.
I edited the text file in HRD but that heems to have no effect at all.
All the new coding is good but will the old/new stuff ever get fixed?
The new sat tracker has problems but then I am just a user not a "Power
User" so I may not know how to use it.
Lets see maybe the help file covers that. Ow there isn't one.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:06:12 +0100
From: "Simon \(HB9DRV\)" <simon@xxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New sats and HRD Keps ?
To: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>, "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <DDF51A002AFE4F538B827C01A4F8B03F@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Yes, the new sat track will be fixed, starting March 2009 I hope.
The IC-910H doesn't work, there are other problems as well.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "racer5039" <racer5039@x.xxx>
>
> All the new coding is good but will the old/new stuff ever get fixed?
> The new sat tracker has problems but then I am just a user not a "Power
> User" so I may not know how to use it.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:33:53 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <654B082FEEBD431A929FACEB07CF723A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
During the last 2 decades of the last century ESA was providing space on
specific launches at heavily-discounted prices and a global effort was still
required to raise the money. Now everyone has to pay the full rate so
AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-NA are looking for outside sources of money. If you have
several million dollars the problem could be solved.
Cubesats in 800 km orbits have much lower launch costs. However, the vast
majority of members told AMSAT that they didn't want more LEO satellites
after AO-51. Perhaps small is better.
The AO-40 entry that I see on the AMSAT web site
(http://www.amsat.org/amsat-
new/satellites/satInfo.php?satID=15&returl=satellites/history.php)
seems to be accurate.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 18:29 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Messageboard Post
> Over on eHam.net today ...
>
> Ok, so I go check out the Amsat website. Yawn. I look through their
> mission statement and history sections. Yawn.
>
> Seems that they have not updated their website for awhile. I mean,
> they still are talking about their "up and coming" phase 3-D
> satellite! (c.1996) Hmmm, that was what, 13 years ago? And they want
> me to join, and give them *money*? What a joke.
>
> Ok, now that I have picked myself off of the floor from laughing so
> hard, here is the question. Why should I (or anyone else) give these
> clowns money if they cannot even update their web site. Comeon,
> everyone knows that 3-D was a flop, except maybe AMSAT.
>
> The originators of the OSCAR program were cutting edge amateurs that
> were rivaling the commercial telecomunications satellite industry.
> They were trying to place their 5th bird in a geostationary orbit, but
> launch vehicle failure prevented that. Now all that Amsat seems to be
> able to do is (in the words of a certain late USSR dictator,
> paraphrased) is launch grapfruit sized microsats.
>
> So I never like to criticize something without some suggestions for
> improving the situation. Here is my idea... Why not a group of
> American amateur radio people get together that have nothing to do
> with the incompetence of AMSAT, and actually build an OSCAR 5 for geo-
> synch orbit? If it could be done thirty years ago, it can be done now.
> No need to have a "global" effort involving millions of dollars and
> amateurs from thirty countries building a thousand pound bird. Lets do
> this like the original OSCAR folks did, keep it simple(r), and let the
> politicos at AMSAT continue to try to justify their existence while
> some honest to God hams get the bird built and lofted. With today's
> improved solar cells and hardened electronics, if we could get a bird
> in a Clark slot, it would last for quite awhile, and actually provide
> a (non-digital) communication service to the amateur radio community.
>
> Best and 73,
>
> Joe KB0TXC
>
>
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
> 909-241-7666
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:37:03 -0600
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New sats and HRD Keps ?
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <C5CE018017A54D4ABE4CE5D872B09759@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Try this.
First, from the tracker, go to Satellite and then Kepler Data. Select Add
URL, and then put in this:
http://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/tle-new.txt
Check it, and then download the data. It will include the new birds with
names like 2009-002A, which is equivalent to Object A.
Now from the main tracker screen Select Satellite Defs. On the left, you
should see Sources. Click on tle-new, and you should have all the new
satellites available. You can then define the frequencies.
Hope this helps.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:45:31 -0500
From: David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB <m0zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <497CC15B.3050103@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
AMSAT is a volunteer organisation and with that obviously comes
limitations concerning Member's time and effort.
Over the last two weeks I have tried on four separate occasions to
complete and send the volunteer form that is on the AMSAT NA website -
each time I have received an error message at the point of sending the
form and each time I have completed the bug report form and checked the
box that asks if I want an acknowledgement of my report.
So far, nothing heard.
So AMSAT needs help but the help mechanism does not work and there is
not enough help to fix the help page!
Classic "catch 22"
David
KG4ZLB/M0ZLB
www.kg4zlb.com
John B. Stephensen wrote:
> During the last 2 decades of the last century ESA was providing space on
> specific launches at heavily-discounted prices and a global effort was still
> required to raise the money. Now everyone has to pay the full rate so
> AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-NA are looking for outside sources of money. If you have
> several million dollars the problem could be solved.
>
> Cubesats in 800 km orbits have much lower launch costs. However, the vast
> majority of members told AMSAT that they didn't want more LEO satellites
> after AO-51. Perhaps small is better.
>
> The AO-40 entry that I see on the AMSAT web site
> (http://www.amsat.org/amsat-
new/satellites/satInfo.php?satID=15&returl=satellites/history.php)
> seems to be accurate.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 18:29 UTC
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Messageboard Post
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:50:33 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Messageboard Post
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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> Now all that Amsat seems to be able to
> do is ... is launch grapfruit sized
> microsats.
Ever looked at an Ipod or cell phone or anything else modern?
What's wrong with grapefruit size, especially if it can save
volunteer's hard won donations?
> With today's improved solar cells...
Which cost about $300 per single cell, or maybe $10,000 per
square foot.
> and hardened electronics...
Which can cost about $500 to $1000 per chip...
> it would last for quite awhile, and actually
> provide a (non-digital) communication service
> to the amateur radio community.
But it will serve amateurs wourldwide and and so it makes sense
to organize internationally to get it up there...
Bob, WB4APR
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