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Today's Topics:
1. Re: KiwiSAT transponder on air tests (Bruce Robertson)
2. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Garie Halstead K8KFJ)
3. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Bruce)
4. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Wayne Estes)
5. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Steve)
6. Re: MANCHESTER encosing schemes (Steve Attfield)
7. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Kent R. Frazier)
8. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Kent R. Frazier)
9. Re: ke7jgb qso with Alaska (Robert Coppock)
10. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Frank A Cahoy)
11. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Frank A Cahoy)
12. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Nate Duehr)
13. Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE (Nate Duehr)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:46:31 -0300
From: "Bruce Robertson" <ve9qrp(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: KiwiSAT transponder on air tests
To: Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >From http://www.kiwisat.org.nz/
>
> The KiwiSAT linear flight transponder is currently transmitting from the
> Whangaparaoa area with beam antennas pointing South.
>
> Transponder is inverting type to compensate for Doppler shift when in
orbit.
Congratulations to all on reaching this phase of testing. The webpage
reads, "Try to better the previous distance of record of 292 km
previously achieved with the prototype transponder." Those of us in
the N. hemisphere will have the opportunity once this transponder is
in orbit!
73, Bruce
VE9QRP
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garie Halstead K8KFJ <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: Stuart Underwood <w8stu(AT)att.net>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <51708.1343.qm(AT)web65716.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Stuart Underwood <w8stu(AT)att.net> wrote:
> I sent out seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back.
> I received only one. My questions is, is there a protocol
> for sending and receiving QSL cards for satellite work?
If you want the cards bad enough, you could always include a SASE with your
card. Most of the time that will help your return rate. Good luck.
73, Gary -K8KFJ-
Sat VUCC #125
Greetings,
I have a question about exchanging QSL cards. When the last time the ISS xband
repeater was up I made seven contacts. I was very excited because this was the
first time I was able to work satellites. Very anxious, I sent out seven QSL
cards. Waiting to get some back. I received only one. My questions is, is
there a protocol for sending and receiving QSL cards for satellite work? When
I get better, I would like to try for VUCC... Thanks in advance. 73, Stuart
W8STU EN91
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:07:24 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do(AT)arrl.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Although you sometimes will not get a card back no matter what you do,
to increase your chances here is what I have done.
Send all cards with a SASE (or self addressed envelop with a green stamp
or IRC)
Send a pre-filled out QSL card for them to complete (with
date/time/callsigns, etc. and a place for them to sign)
(this way, even if they do not have any QSL cards, they can provide
you with one)
Now the disappointing part... you have done this once, need the country
for a new one, send a card again only this time with $5 in it, no reply.
Next you actually happen to come across someone that is traveling to
that county and you give him a QSL card to carry with him and a blank
made out card. He knocks on the door of the ham in the foreign country,
asks him if he would please fill out the QSL card for his friend in the
states and the ham doesn't want to have anything to do with it. This
just was not a very nice ham at all. Oh well, I am still waiting for a
satellite QSL card from Iceland back in 1993 or 1994.
Once upon a time, someone sent me a QSL card without a SASE (stateside
ham). Having DXCC, WAS, VUCC and WAC on satellite, it was nice to
receive a card from another state. I emailed the ham and said I would
not send it direct without postage. He replied that this was the most
economical way to exchange QSL cards, each side paid half the postage.
That would be a great theory if QSL'ing were to start today and no one
in the world had a QSL card from anyone else. What about people that are
on fixed budgets and like to be on the air. If everyone sent them a QSL
card, that would cost them so much they could not buy food that month.
I am the QSL manager for P5/4L4FN (North Korea operation). Very, very
rare country. We had sent him equipment to get on AO-40 a few weeks
before it went silent (sniff sniff). Anyhow, I have processed around
12,000 QSL cards for that operation. I still get requests. Many come
direct without envelopes, SASE, IRC or green stamps. If I sent back even
1,000 of them on my own funds, that would be very expensive (envelope
and postage) and I have absolutely nothing to gain towards any award.
Those cards go back via the buro and I have to pay the postage and buro
fee to send them (a lot less than postage on each one).
You have to remember that if you want a QSL card from someone, it is to
further your fun in the hobby by earning some type of award, not the
person that you are sending the card to. (If it was someplace I really
wanted and I got their card before I sent mine, I would send them back
their postage, IRC or green stamp as it was mutually beneficial).
73...bruce
Garie Halstead K8KFJ wrote:
> Stuart Underwood<w8stu(AT)att.net> wrote:
>
> > I sent out seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back.
> > I received only one. My questions is, is there a protocol
> > for sending and receiving QSL cards for satellite work?
>
> If you want the cards bad enough, you could always include a SASE with
your card. Most of the time that will help your return rate. Good luck.
>
> 73, Gary -K8KFJ-
> Sat VUCC #125
> Greetings,
>
> I have a question about exchanging QSL cards. When the last time the ISS
xband repeater was up I made seven contacts. I was very excited because this
was the first time I was able to work satellites. Very anxious, I sent out
seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back. I received only one. My questions
is, is there a protocol for sending and receiving QSL cards for satellite
work? When I get better, I would like to try for VUCC... Thanks in advance.
73, Stuart W8STU EN91
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:17:33 -0600
From: Wayne Estes <w9ae(AT)charter.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Stuart Underwood wrote:
Very anxious, I sent out seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back. I
received only one. My questions is, is there a protocol for sending and
receiving QSL cards for satellite work?
Wayne replies:
The satellite QSL protocol is essentially the same as for terrestrial
contacts, except we put slightly different information on the QSL card.
Did you send a self-addressed stamped envelope (SASE) with the QSL
cards? In my experience, about 20% will send a card back to me if I
don't include a SASE. The response rate is about 80% when I include a
SASE. This is very different from when I was a novice in the 1970's. I
had a high response rate then, and I never sent SASE's.
I assume you were referring to domestic contacts because the ISS has a
small footprint. For international contacts you need to send either an
IRC or dollar bills for return postage. This gets expensive. A dollar
is sufficient for a reply from Canada or Mexico, but you need to send 3
dollars to get a reply from Germany. It's difficult to buy IRC's in the
United States. The U.S. signed a treaty that requires post offices to
stock IRC's, but most U.S. post offices don't stock them.
Wayne Estes W9AE
Oakland, Oregon, USA, CN83ik
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:04:56 -0000
From: "Steve" <ai7w(AT)arrl.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <8D8A7D6DC62049299687A61D24D42BF9(AT)AI7WDesk>
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----- Original Message -----
To: "AMSAT BB"
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 03:24 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSL CARD EXCHANGE
> Greetings,
>
> I have a question about exchanging QSL cards. When the last time the ISS
> xband repeater was up I made seven contacts. I was very excited because
> this was the first time I was able to work satellites. Very anxious, I
> sent out seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back. I received only one.
> My questions is, is there a protocol for sending and receiving QSL cards
> for satellite work? When I get better, I would like to try for VUCC...
> Thanks in advance. 73, Stuart W8STU EN91
Hi Stuart,
Even avid DXer's only get about a 60% return rate on their QSL's so don't
get to discouraged. That said, here are a few suggestions to increase your
return rate:
-Always enclose an SASE (self addressed stamped envelope).
-Be sure to record contact dates and times in UTC and indicate so on the
card.
-Be sure to write legibly.
-Always sign your card.
-Include all the information the other station might want for his/her own
award goals (Grid Square, ITU Zone, CQ Zone, County, etc.)
-Write a short note on the back thanking the other station for the QSO.
-If the card is for a new State, Grid, Country, etc. say so on the card.
-If you're working for an award say so on the card.
-Some special events have QSL managers so be sure you know the correct place
to send your card.
-If the card is important and you don't get a response in a reasonable
period of time send another card and be sure to note it's your second
attempt.
-If you're sending a card over seas don't bother with the SASE just include
a self addressed envelope and a "green stamp" (one dollar bill) to cover
local postage.
-Overseas QSL's should never have a call-sign on the outside of the envelope
to avoid mail theft.
If you're really desperate you can create a return card for the other
station and send it to him to sign and return. Be sure to include a note
explaining what your doing and an SASE. (I've done this twice and it worked
both times).
Some other things to consider:
-Personalized QSL cards get a higher return rate.
-Unique QSL cards get a higher return rate.
-Cards that are easy to read and understand get a higher return rate.
Things to avoid are:
-Cards with the address or other information in non-standard form (Example:
Street address at the top, City and State at the bottom).
-Cards with political or religious messages.
-Cards that have a commercial message or promote particular, non-amateur
related causes.
One other note, sometimes it takes a while. I generally send out card every
three months or so and I know hams that only reply to QSLs once a year.
Good Luck on the VUCC
Steve .. AI7W
lm #2270
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:47:29 -0400
From: Steve Attfield <steven_a(AT)rogers.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: MANCHESTER encosing schemes
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <47ED2F31.7030509(AT)rogers.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I think you'll need to explain in more detail exactly what it is that
you're looking for. I'm sure software that simply encodes some file is
easy enough to find. I know for sure I've used a waveform after
demodulation to decode it by hand. And you are right manchester encoding
is the bast to ensure that voltage changes frequently
-Steve VA3SAX
RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
> Can anyone point me to some simple schemes for Manchester encoding and
> decoding. The application would be for high speed data over a low cost
> ISM link (manufacturer advises against long strings of data in 111 or 000's)
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:16:51 -0500
From: "Kent R. Frazier" <k5knt(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID:
<7caa889a0803281116t28a13b0pb5cc3b9761ef9761(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
By mistake, I sent this only to Jim at first...
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Kent R. Frazier <k5knt(AT)amsat.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Jim Walls <jim(AT)k6ccc.org> wrote:
>
> > Stuart Underwood wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I have a question about exchanging QSL cards. When the last time the
> > ISS xband repeater was up I made seven contacts. I was very excited
because
> > this was the first time I was able to work satellites. Very anxious, I
sent
> > out seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back. I received only one. My
> > questions is, is there a protocol for sending and receiving QSL cards for
> > satellite work? When I get better, I would like to try for VUCC...
Thanks
> > in advance. 73, Stuart W8STU EN91
> >
>
> When was the ISS last on cross-band? Has there been enough time for you to
> have received the cards? I'm new to satellites also, from what I've read
> some use QSL bureaus and they only send out once a month or when a certain
> amount of cards are ready to be sent.
> Did you include a SASE with your cards?
>
>
> >
> > Unfortunately fewer and fewer hams are willing to send QSL cards. I
> > will always send a card if requested, and would usually send a card if
> > it was to someone I had never worked on satellite. Also if it was
> > something special for one or the other of us.
> >
> > When I was trying to finish my satellite VUCC, it took some effort to
> > get the last few card.
> >
> > Satelllite VUCC #108
>
>
> This is disturbing... As a newbie to satellites, I've never been
> interested in collecting awards or QSLs until now. If fewer hams are
> willing to send QSL cards (too expensive?) then the ARRL and AMSAT need to
> reconsider allowing some form of electronic QSLs for the awards, IMO.
>
> I just sent nine cards out this week. These are the first satellites I've
> worked. I included a SASE with each. It will be interesting to see what kind
> of response I get.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent
>
> --
> Kent R. Frazier, K5KNT
--
Kent R. Frazier, K5KNT
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:18:31 -0500
From: "Kent R. Frazier" <k5knt(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID:
<7caa889a0803281118j2703f843h8a9be2d2066c6952(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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Since I'm new at this, what information should one put an a satellite QSL?
What information is different than on a terrestrial QSL. I've based the few
I've sent so far, on examples I've seen on the web. I'm guessing they are
most likely of the terrestrial type.
Kent
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Wayne Estes <w9ae(AT)charter.net> wrote:
>
> The satellite QSL protocol is essentially the same as for terrestrial
> contacts, except we put slightly different information on the QSL card.
>
--
Kent R. Frazier, K5KNT
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:19:20 GMT
From: "Robert Coppock" <robertinorbit(AT)webtv.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ke7jgb qso with Alaska
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <BAY112-DAV8286148843BBDAC3436C2A0F90(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
HI, there is a post on qrz forums about university night: John / ke7jgb
(western Washington state) had a qso with an Alaska station at 0317 utc 28th
(thursday evening pdt) on ao51. he did not get the station callsign, and this
was his very first satellite qso! the other station did repeat his callsign.
he is looking for that station and callsign. if anyone can help him, please
email him. his qrz info has the email id. i just thought i would relay his
post to another good chance place. maybe if he gets in contact with the other
station, he will become an AMSAT member.
thank you very much,
73, Robert kf0g cm97 #35488
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:50:28 -0700
From: Frank A Cahoy <k0blt(AT)juno.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: w9ae(AT)charter.net, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080328.105034.1196.9.K0BLT(AT)juno.com>
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Hello Wayne and the Group,
I believe that this message may have been sent before it was ready to be
sent. My email server (JUNO) has a habit of sending things at a time
when it should not do so. Therefore, I'll start over again and hope for
the best.
I am an avid "paper" QSL card collector. In 2007 I sent nearly 2000
cards to the outgoing ARRL bureau. It's much too soon to calculate the
results from last year but after 47+ years of sending cards I'd be quite
pleased with a 50% return. Recently I contacted a fellow in Hungary with
a plee for some help in getting that entity confirmed via satellite. I
thought I was in great luck because he told me that he personally, could
indeed, confirm one of my Hungarian QSOs. That being HA5MRC on AO-40.
He did state that he had no HA5MRC paper QSLs and no way to get any. I
got on the computer and made up and printed several paper HA5MRC cards
that met his approval. I then sent those paper cards with an SAE and
$2.00. That was late in 2007 but to date only a short reply telling me
to be patient! This same fellow also gave me specific instructions about
how to get a card from HA2RD whom I'd QSOed via AO-10. More wasted
effort and dollars down the drain. My point??? Even when you follow
directions and make double sure that you've done everything RIGHT, your
efforts may go unrewarded!! I think that I have a minimum of $10.00 to
$15.00 invested from my efforts to get an HA satellite confirmation. It
would appear that I have to wait for P3E before I can find and work a
station in Hungary who is willing to send QSLs.............
My 2 cents worth on QSL card exchanging.
73 Frank, K?BLT
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:26:51 -0700
From: Frank A Cahoy <k0blt(AT)juno.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: w9ae(AT)charter.net
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080328.105034.1196.8.K0BLT(AT)juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello Wayne and the Group,
I too am an avid "paper" QSL collector. Last year, 2007, I sent nearly
2000 QSLs out. It's much too soon to calculate the return results for
last year but after 47+ years I'd say that 50% would be a great return.
Recently I contacted a fellow in Hungary since I still need satellite
confirmation from that entity. I have worked three HAs but many dollars
and many attempts direct and via the bureau have netted me zero return.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:16:45 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47ED441D.4040504(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Stuart Underwood wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have a question about exchanging QSL cards. When the last time the ISS
xband repeater was up I made seven contacts. I was very excited because this
was the first time I was able to work satellites. Very anxious, I sent out
seven QSL cards. Waiting to get some back. I received only one. My
questions is, is there a protocol for sending and receiving QSL cards for
satellite work? When I get better, I would like to try for VUCC... Thanks
in advance. 73, Stuart W8STU EN91
Normal. I sent out over 500 cards for VHF+ contacts during June contest
in 2006. My return rate was about 100, if that.
But, I will admit I put a letter in with them, and was more interested
in letting folks know that I had a good time, I hoped they had a good
time, and there was a line in there that stated clearly that I did NOT
need a return QSL if they couldn't do it for any reason, but that they
would be appreciated if they did.
Also, be patient. Many people (myself included) fall behind on QSL'ing
and have to schedule a weekend day where NOTHING else gets done but
QSLs... obviously these "catch up" sessions aren't much fun, so there's
not much motivation to do them more than a couple of times a year. I
have a (small, thank Goodness) stack of cards I still need to reply to.
During my next "QSL session" I think I've finally found some software I
like for keeping my QSL and log information long-term... there's tons of
options out there, but I decided to "just go" with one... so that day
will probably be spent typing log information into that software... ad
nauseaum.
That software should also post everything typed into it into LoTW and
eQSL, for those that like those... neither of which is all that great
for VHF+ Rovers, due to grid square changes, the decision whether to log
as WY0X or WY0X/R, etc...
The *best* way to get a QSL back, is to beg for them, and include an
SASE. That has the highest return rate these days. Ironically, most
SASEs I send out, get returned... hams are usually willing to send QSLs,
they're just too busy to do it. A note begging for a return QSL and an
SASE is often just the "hint" needed to trigger someone like myself into
one of those "QSL days" in the basement... and I send back people's
SASEs so they can re-use them too.
Nate WY0X
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:19:06 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL CARD EXCHANGE
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47ED44AA.1040402(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Steve wrote:
> -If you're sending a card over seas don't bother with the SASE just include
> a self addressed envelope and a "green stamp" (one dollar bill) to cover
> local postage.
Keep in mind that with current exchange rates, one US dollar may not
cover it for them today.
Nate WY0X
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