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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Arrow Antenna (Art McBride)
2. Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad (Dave Guimont)
3. Re: Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad (Andrew Rich)
4. Re: Arrow Antenna (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: Building an EggBeater (Eduardo Somoano C)
6. Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna (Pedro A. Perez)
7. my arrow (andy thomas)
8. Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna (Trey Brown)
9. Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna (Tim Tapio)
10. Re: Building an EggBeater (Andrew Glasbrenner)
11. Give this a try for an eggbeater - works for me (Jack K.)
12. Re: Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad (Dave Guimont)
13. Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna (Edward Cole)
14. Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna (David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB)
15. Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:34:49 -0800
From: "Art McBride" <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow Antenna
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Ducting could explain the performance in the tropics.
Art, KC6UQH
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:01 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow Antenna
>
> I've noticed some "Arrow" discussion on the BBS. I am not a real
> technical ham but I do know that I can routinely hit the mainland
> from Hawaii at 1 degree elevation with the Arrow (ask K7WIN).
Nope. Sorry. You are wrong. The engineers here state that that type of
performance from an Arrow Antenna is impossible. You are deluded.
Other engineers here state that you would really be pleased with the
performance of the Arrow if it were polarized differently. Anywhere
from 3-to-20dB increase in signal strength. So your "1 degree
elevation" passes you are successfully working are nothin' ...
Removing tongue from my cheek,
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:37:55 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad
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And probably a few others!!
But if you have a modicum of constructional skills try a
quadrifilar..It outperforms all of them...
My site is under construction, but as soon as I get it organized, I
will post it here...
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:44:55 +1000
From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
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I can vouch for that
Lindeblad work well on weather satellites for me .
I made a quadrifilar for 1090 MHz once, but it was 100 MHz out when I swept it
!
Doh
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Guimont
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:37 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad
And probably a few others!!
But if you have a modicum of constructional skills try a
quadrifilar..It outperforms all of them...
My site is under construction, but as soon as I get it organized, I
will post it here...
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 4
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:47:00 -0800
From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Arrow Antenna
To: <kc6uqh@xxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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.. Ducting could explain the performance in the tropics ...
Heck, Tim and I worked AO-51 a couple months ago ... He's in the South, I'm in
Southern CA. 2200 miles or so - no record by any means - but we were both
using HTs and those horrible Arrow Antennas. I believe Tim stated it was a
three degree elevation pass for him ...
I need to drop out of this group for a while. Seeing folks suggest adding a
wing nut here and a washer there and making wild, unsubstantiated claims as to
the Arrow's duplexer's loss makes me want to scream.
Meanwhile, I'll be watching the San Diego Chargers blow away their opponents
this evening, and sneak out and work AO-51 at the end of the first quarter.
And so it goes ....
Clint Bradford
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:20:17 -0500
From: "Eduardo Somoano C" <co8ly@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Building an EggBeater
To: "PE0SAT" <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Dear friend Alan
I built the antenna EGGBEATER II for 70cmt in
http://zs1i.org.za/eggbeater%202.html
I had it proving during 2 days, regrettably don't listen any station in the
AO51
with that antenna.
The measures and distances are exactly he says the diagram
With that antenna I have zero gain in RX, I with the ground plane of 70cmt
list better.
Wanted them to help me that is which is the cause of the bad reception of
the
I will send them picture of the EGGBEATER II that I built.
A million thank you in advance.
Strong hug and very happy and I prosper 2009 for you and family.
Eduardo. CO8LY
----- Original Message -----
From: "PE0SAT" <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>
To: "Alan Sieg WB5RMG" <wb5rmg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Building an EggBeater
On Sun, December 28, 2008 18:45, Alan Sieg WB5RMG wrote:
Hi Alan,
> The original website is gone, but I recently found a mirror site :
> http://www.observations.biz/K5OE/ look for Eggbeater link.
Thanks for the link, the image for the phasing harness is not working.
Do you have the orginal image?
PE0SAT
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:13:17 +0100
From: "Pedro A. Perez" <eb4dka@xxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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If you have minimum skills in homebrew antennas you could try the IOio:
http://eb4dka.laserenadigital.com/Amateur%20Satellite%20Articles/IOio%20antenn
a.pdf
73 and happy new year from Spain!
Pedro EB4DKA
http://eb4dka.laserenadigital.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Trey Brown
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 8:01 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
>
> I'm looking to get started in FM satellites and am considering
> purchasing one of these antennas. Wanting to get some thoughts and
> opinions from people that have been doing this longer than I have
> been.
>
> http://www.elkantennas.com/2m4405element.htm
> http://arrowantennas.com/146-437.html
>
> --
> Trey -- N5THX
>
> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> - Benjamin Franklin
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:23:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] my arrow
To: amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Well, my Arrow took me from a clifftop in Cornwall with a THD7E at 5w to PCSAT
at a 2 degree elevation and down to Maine as Bob will doubtless remember...
73 de andy g0SFJ
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:06:41 -0600
From: "Trey Brown" <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Thanks for everyone's comments. I think will probably end up purchasing both
and using them on a couple passes and then deciding which one would be
better for me and returning the other. Both companies offer refunds, so that
may be the best route for me. I just can't get over the fact that I've
talked to and read what quite a few hams have had to say regarding the
arrow, and I can't see why they would use one for multiple years if it was
so horrible, so that leads me to think I may like it better, but we'll see!
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Trey Brown <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I'm looking to get started in FM satellites and am considering
> purchasing one of these antennas. Wanting to get some thoughts and
> opinions from people that have been doing this longer than I have
> been.
>
> http://www.elkantennas.com/2m4405element.htm
> http://arrowantennas.com/146-437.html
>
> --
> Trey -- N5THX
>
> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> - Benjamin Franklin
>
--
Trey
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:55:33 -0500
From: "Tim Tapio" <tim@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
To: "'Trey Brown'" <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <003f01c9693f$64a0dd90$2de298b0$@xxx>
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Bottom line is to use what works for you. We've heard both sides from happy
and satisfied users that continue to utilize both. I too can be dazzled my
numbers but the bottom line is to use what works....after all,
aerodynamically a bumblebee can't fly....apparently they're too busy flying
to notice....
73 de Tim, K4SHF #35580
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Trey Brown
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:07 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
Thanks for everyone's comments. I think will probably end up purchasing both
and using them on a couple passes and then deciding which one would be
better for me and returning the other. Both companies offer refunds, so that
may be the best route for me. I just can't get over the fact that I've
talked to and read what quite a few hams have had to say regarding the
arrow, and I can't see why they would use one for multiple years if it was
so horrible, so that leads me to think I may like it better, but we'll see!
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Trey Brown <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I'm looking to get started in FM satellites and am considering
> purchasing one of these antennas. Wanting to get some thoughts and
> opinions from people that have been doing this longer than I have
> been.
>
> http://www.elkantennas.com/2m4405element.htm
> http://arrowantennas.com/146-437.html
>
> --
> Trey -- N5THX
>
> They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> - Benjamin Franklin
>
--
Trey
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:35:34 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Building an EggBeater
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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> Hopefully you have or can locate some RG-62 (93 Ohm) for phasing loops.
> Build the 70cm version first, as the smaller elements are easier to
> handle.
I have a 500 ft roll of RG62A/U. AMSAT members can either send a SASE to me,
or paypal a small donation to Martha at the AMSAT office, and I will send
them plenty for their project.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:00:20 -0700
From: "Jack K." <kd1pe.1@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Give this a try for an eggbeater - works for me
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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http://davehouston.net/eggbeater.htm
A straight forward explanation with lengths of phasing line given for
different Freqs...
DE - KD1PE
DN71
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:24:58 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Egg beater, ELK, yagi, arrow, Lindenblad
To: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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>I can vouch for that
>
>Lindeblad work well on weather satellites for me .
>
>I made a quadrifilar for 1090 MHz once, but it was 100 MHz out when
>I swept it !
>
>Doh
Yes, I know Andrew, when I built the first one about twenty years ago
from the plans in the Amateur satellite manual using their
dimensions, I built 5 iterations, before I got it flat at 435...But
then it scaled perfectly to all other frequencies....
And as near as I could measure, they are all 1.8 or less...The filar
length is critical, the bends can be approximated...
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:45:01 -0900
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
To: "Trey Brown" <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <200812290145.mBT1j1da026147@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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One last comment that may help your decision: The Arrow comes as a
portable take-apart version. All the elements unscrew and the square
tubing boom comes apart to fit in 24-inch long package. I bought a
25-inch by 2-inch diameter PVC tube with end caps (sewer pipe to
most) to carry my Arrow on board airlines back before 911. Handy way
to travel with a dual-band HT and enjoy operating Leos. I believe
one of the ham accessory mfrs sell a fabric tote sack for the Arrow.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 01:06 PM 12/28/2008, Trey Brown wrote:
>Thanks for everyone's comments. I think will probably end up purchasing both
>and using them on a couple passes and then deciding which one would be
>better for me and returning the other. Both companies offer refunds, so that
>may be the best route for me. I just can't get over the fact that I've
>talked to and read what quite a few hams have had to say regarding the
>arrow, and I can't see why they would use one for multiple years if it was
>so horrible, so that leads me to think I may like it better, but we'll see!
>
>On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Trey Brown <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > I'm looking to get started in FM satellites and am considering
> > purchasing one of these antennas. Wanting to get some thoughts and
> > opinions from people that have been doing this longer than I have
> > been.
> >
> > http://www.elkantennas.com/2m4405element.htm
> > http://arrowantennas.com/146-437.html
> >
> > --
> > Trey -- N5THX
> >
> > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> > - Benjamin Franklin
> >
>
>
>
>--
>Trey
>
>They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
>deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>- Benjamin Franklin
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:19:52 -0500
From: David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB <m0zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
To: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Trey Brown <palintheus@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <495833C8.9000500@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Arrow themselves sell two types of bags for the Arrow antennas!
A tubular version and a roll up version!
73
David
KG4ZLB/M0ZLB
www.kg4zlb.com
Edward Cole wrote:
> One last comment that may help your decision: The Arrow comes as a
> portable take-apart version. All the elements unscrew and the square
> tubing boom comes apart to fit in 24-inch long package. I bought a
> 25-inch by 2-inch diameter PVC tube with end caps (sewer pipe to
> most) to carry my Arrow on board airlines back before 911. Handy way
> to travel with a dual-band HT and enjoy operating Leos. I believe
> one of the ham accessory mfrs sell a fabric tote sack for the Arrow.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>
> At 01:06 PM 12/28/2008, Trey Brown wrote:
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:25:27 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Elk Antenna vs Arrow Antenna
To: Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Trey Brown"
<palintheus@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Mr. Cole and all,
When comparing the two antennas - having owned and used both - each is quick-
take-down and extremely portable. The Elk has 10 elements to attach to its
single-piece boom, and the elements and their attachment points are color-
coded. The Arrow also has 10 elements, but each one is in two parts (lke the
boom) so there are 20 pieces to match for assembly.
Elk makes a heavy storage case with hook-and-loop closures for it's antenna
that includes a large front storage pouch. I'm confident that pouch was
designed to hold the original mount for the antenna, which is intended for a
mast. Here, I can fit the antenna and the handle I made for it in the main
compartments. The front pouch holds my HT, coax, extra battery pack, digital
audio recorder and handheld GPS unit with a bit of room left over. So I have a
travel case for my entire handheld station.
I did the same as you with the PVC "hard travel case," and both antennas fit
in it. The Elk's boom is 24 inches.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from Edward Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>: ------
--------
> One last comment that may help your decision: The Arrow comes as a
> portable take-apart version. All the elements unscrew and the square
> tubing boom comes apart to fit in 24-inch long package. I bought a
> 25-inch by 2-inch diameter PVC tube with end caps (sewer pipe to
> most) to carry my Arrow on board airlines back before 911. Handy way
> to travel with a dual-band HT and enjoy operating Leos. I believe
> one of the ham accessory mfrs sell a fabric tote sack for the Arrow.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>
> At 01:06 PM 12/28/2008, Trey Brown wrote:
> >Thanks for everyone's comments. I think will probably end up purchasing
both
> >and using them on a couple passes and then deciding which one would be
> >better for me and returning the other. Both companies offer refunds, so
that
> >may be the best route for me. I just can't get over the fact that I've
> >talked to and read what quite a few hams have had to say regarding the
> >arrow, and I can't see why they would use one for multiple years if it was
> >so horrible, so that leads me to think I may like it better, but we'll see!
> >
> >On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Trey Brown wrote:
> > > I'm looking to get started in FM satellites and am considering
> > > purchasing one of these antennas. Wanting to get some thoughts and
> > > opinions from people that have been doing this longer than I have
> > > been.
> > >
> > > http://www.elkantennas.com/2m4405element.htm
> > > http://arrowantennas.com/146-437.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Trey -- N5THX
> > >
> > > They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> > > - Benjamin Franklin
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Trey
> >
> >They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
> >deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> >- Benjamin Franklin
> >_______________________________________________
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