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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
(Bob Liddy (K8BL))
2. Re: An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham
Award Recipient (JoAnne K9JKM)
3. Re: An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham
Award Recipient (Jerry Buxton)
4. ISS SSTV (Graham)
5. Re: ISS SSTV (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
6. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
(Michael)
7. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
(John Kludt)
8. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
(Michael)
9. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an antenna)
(Mike Seguin)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
Message-ID: <1528977708.398800.1564779603756@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
IMHO, there is no need to get OCD over this issue. The SATs are
spinning/turning constantly and the polarization is changing
constantly. And, whatever the polarization is at YOUR location
is no assurance that it is the same at any other location. How
strong the signal is, therefore, is not how strong it is at some
other location. Orient your antenna as well as you can to hear
yourself as best you can. But, don't drive yourself crazy since
things usually don't change all that fast. I have been using my
Arrow on a tripod for quite a few years with good success. I
adjust the AZ/EL/Polarization every few minutes as needed
and use the rest of the time on a pass to tune the radio, key the
mic, sip coffee, etc. Most of the time, aiming & turning is not
as critical as it may seem. Relax & Enjoy!!
GL/73,? ? Bob? K8BL? ? ? ? ? ? ? (AMSAT #6593 since 1979)
On Friday, August 2, 2019, 11:59:46 AM EDT, Michael via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once
did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low
life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in
the ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs
to break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it
falls on deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that
everyone knows has no chance to come to? fruition. I'm not that
gullible. I'll crawl back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope
for better days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than
becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations? don't
make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will continue to
withhold them till I see some change, although I won't be holding my
breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just continue to
maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for this
organization. Sigh...
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@????.?????.???>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just think,
> as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times are you
> going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld? antenna
> exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people just walk on
> by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
> There is room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I
have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an
antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun
with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have
passed it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own
stressed moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is
trying to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with
technology, one has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the
KISS club. (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB
birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I
welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to
pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I
still will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is
fun, gets the job done, and still
gi
>? ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil hat
as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:04:35 -0500
From: "JoAnne K9JKM" <joanne.k9jkm@?????.???>
To: "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding
Youth Ham Award Recipient
Message-ID: <5d44a562.1c69fb81.60797.072b@??.??????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello Jeff and Marissa and Dhruv ... and, congratulations on well deserved
recognition!
> It will be really fun to see both Marissa and Dhruv Rebba on the stage at
> the same time. Dhruv won the Newsline award and is also an AMSAT member.
It is truly a pleasure to publish your good news!
https://www.amsat.org/amsat-member-marissa-robledo-w4aqt-named-2019-arrl-alaba
ma-outstanding-youth-ham/
https://www.amsat.org/amsat-member-dhruv-rebba-kc9zjx-named-newsline-young-ham
-of-the-year/
(Links are also on the www.amsat.org front page, under ?Updates?.)
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@?????.???
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:27:48 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>, amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] An AMSAT member wins the Alabama Outstanding
Youth Ham Award Recipient
Message-ID: <72a857b1-c1de-2b9c-9874-23c16eb2f5e8@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Congratulations, Marissa!?
I hope you continue to have fun and exciting challenges with amateur
radio.? You can certainly take it with you for the rest of your life,
and it will always be there when you get a hankerin' to get on the air
even if you have to be away from it for a while throughout the various
stages of your life.?
It is gratifying that you are inspired, at least in part, by what AMSAT
does.
73
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 8/2/2019 14:57, Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hello Alabama Section,
>
> We have exciting news to share about our youth involvement in Amateur Radio!
>
> This year, the ARRL Alabama Youth Committee is pleased to announce the
> 2019 ARRL Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award recipient. This particular
Amateur Radio operator gazes at and studies the skies almost daily. She has
a deep interest in satellite communication and loves sharing that interest
with others. Her passion is evident in awards she has received, forums where
she has presented, along with the activities in which she participates.
>
> The 2019 Alabama Outstanding Youth Ham Award goes to:
> Marissa Robledo W4AQT
>
> Marissa is a twelve year old General class license-holder who lives in
Montgomery, AL and is devoted to consistently learning and growing in the
great hobby of Amateur Radio. She exhibits enthusiasm, knowledge, and rapid
growth in many areas of Amateur Radio and we are proud to have
> her representing our hobby as this year?s Alabama Outstanding Amateur Youth!
>
> Please join us at the 2019 Huntsville Hamfest on August 17th, 2019 at
12:30pm for the formal presentation of this award to a deserving young
Amateur Radio operator.
>
>
> Congratulations Marissa! Keep up the great work and fun you are creating
using Amateur Radio. See you in Huntsville.
>
> Alabama Outstanding Youth Committee wished to thank everyone for your
nominations for 2019.
>
> Bryant Rascoll, KG5HVO
> Alabama Section Youth Coordinator
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ARRL Alabama Section
> Section Manager: JVann Martin Sr, W4JVM
> w4jvm@????.???
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:06:26 +0000
From: Graham <planophore@???.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
Message-ID: <59d37d9c-0554-742a-1eda-e42c925d243c@???.??>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
I have been monitoring passes of ISS for the SSTV transmissions.
So far with good success.
However, when unable to be in the shack I leave everything set up to
automatically capture any SSTV on 145.800MHz. Late yesterday evening
around 2019-08-02 01:35 UTC I received an odd SSTV image which stands
out from the other images from the ISS.
This image looks like a SSTV from VE1PK but I have not been to find out
anything more about it.
I have a vague recollection of Bob Buringa mentioning that one of
PACSATs can transmit SSTV on 145.800MHZ but I can't find the posting in
which that was mentioned - either that or I managed to confuse what was
said, I do now the new PCSAT can transmit SSTV on 70cm which may be the
source of my confusion.
image can be seen here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pd8gcvl45mp9u29/AADp0uH-TG9jhEo3ktU4z_qCa/ISS_SSTV_
Aug_2019?dl=0
It is of course the one which does not look any of the other ISS images.
Anyone able to shed some light on this wee mystery?
cheers, Graham ve3gtc FN25 near Ottawa Canada
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:18:30 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@?????.???>
To: Graham <planophore@???.??>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV
Message-ID:
<CAEMY9Ff24ncBK+yv_Y3_QiGuJNk=YOtcfh98iqEWgW76A39R+g@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Graham,
Your answer can be found in this thread on QRZ.
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/1-4-august-sstv-event-award.667830/pa
ge-3
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S9
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 7:14 PM Graham via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I have been monitoring passes of ISS for the SSTV transmissions.
>
> So far with good success.
>
> However, when unable to be in the shack I leave everything set up to
> automatically capture any SSTV on 145.800MHz. Late yesterday evening
> around 2019-08-02 01:35 UTC I received an odd SSTV image which stands
> out from the other images from the ISS.
>
> This image looks like a SSTV from VE1PK but I have not been to find out
> anything more about it.
>
> I have a vague recollection of Bob Buringa mentioning that one of
> PACSATs can transmit SSTV on 145.800MHZ but I can't find the posting in
> which that was mentioned - either that or I managed to confuse what was
> said, I do now the new PCSAT can transmit SSTV on 70cm which may be the
> source of my confusion.
>
> image can be seen here:
>
>
>
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pd8gcvl45mp9u29/AADp0uH-TG9jhEo3ktU4z_qCa/ISS_SSTV_
Aug_2019?dl=0
>
> It is of course the one which does not look any of the other ISS images.
>
> Anyone able to shed some light on this wee mystery?
>
> cheers, Graham ve3gtc FN25 near Ottawa Canada
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 19:47:07 -0400
From: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@??????????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
Message-ID: <2858723f-ffc5-0950-cc24-9990a04cb255@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
What did I say about "pie in the sky" and not being gullible? I'll
believe? it when I see it. Some years back when I was still a member the
mission statement had some bold proclamation about " daily coverage from
geostationary satellites" How'd that work out for us? AMSAT DE has a
beautiful and capable sat languishing in storage somewhere too don't
they?? That was once a lofty goal. The best laid plans and all...
Y'all have fun,
73,
?Michael, W4HIJ
On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
>
>
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Michael via
AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
>
> You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once did
I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low life".
I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the ground as
a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of
that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears.
BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no
chance to come to fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back in my
hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are pushing
the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money
and paltry donations don't make a difference to the organization. None the
less, I will continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I
won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just
continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for
this organization. Sigh..
.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
>> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
>> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@????.?????.???>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
>> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times
>> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld?
>> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
>> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is
>> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have
recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna."
They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the
birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed
it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed
moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to
get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has
to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It
Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV
images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new
ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air
time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be
the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the
job done, and still gi
>> ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil
>> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:03:56 -0400
From: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
To: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
Message-ID:
<CABsMmtSiNjOCZaD52=si0puuuF2VpsWVOrZT+-zn8q9LFPm2Yw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Michael,
That space frame is back in storage and was discussed recently on this
blog. Long story short even at bargain basement prices it was a
multi-million dollar project. Look for the post on this BB for more
details.
Oh yes, almost forgot, for most satellites the cost occurs up front so the
"I'll wait to see if it is up there before I join/contribute" approach
tends to be self-defeating. Just a thought.
John K4SQC
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:48 PM Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> What did I say about "pie in the sky" and not being gullible? I'll
> believe it when I see it. Some years back when I was still a member the
> mission statement had some bold proclamation about " daily coverage from
> geostationary satellites" How'd that work out for us? AMSAT DE has a
> beautiful and capable sat languishing in storage somewhere too don't
> they? That was once a lofty goal. The best laid plans and all...
>
> Y'all have fun,
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
> On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> > Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
> >
> >
>
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
> >
> > 73, Drew KO4MA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Michael via
> AMSAT-BB
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> > To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
> antenna)
> >
> > You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once
> did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low
> life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the
> ground as a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to
> break out of that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on
> deaf ears. BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows
> has no chance to come to fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back
> in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are
> pushing the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my
> dues money and paltry donations don't make a difference to the
> organization. None the less, I will continue to withhold them till I see
> some change, although I won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's
> opinion but if we just continue to maintain the status quo as it stands
> now, I see a dim future for this organization. Sigh...
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Michael, W4HIJ
> >
> >
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
> >> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> >> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@????.?????.???>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
> >> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times
> >> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld?
> >> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
> >> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is
> >> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have
> recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna."
> They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the
> birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed
> it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed
> moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying
> to get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one
> has to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club.
> (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds,
> receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome
> the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for
> some air time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still
> will be the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun,
> gets the job done, and still gi
> >> ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil
> >> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:39:33 -0400
From: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
To: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>, amsat -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
Message-ID: <839ff0f2-b3ac-0064-a760-64b325baf345@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
I supported a long time until I felt that AMSAT wasn't listening to
their rank and file members anymore. I've seen or heard nothing so far
these last few days to change that impression. And again, I've heard
these pie in the sky promises before. Fool me once... When I see
something tangible, FRESH, and real again I'll but my money where my
mouth is. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in my sentiments.? "If you build
it, they will come..."? Wearing out the cliches but maybe some food for
thought for AMSAT management. Unfortunately I don't think they are
listening anymore than when I and many others became disgruntled with
the direction of the organization.
73
On 8/2/2019 9:03 PM, John Kludt wrote:
> Michael,
>
> That space frame is back in storage and was discussed recently on this
> blog.? Long story short even at bargain basement prices it was a
> multi-million dollar project.? Look for the post on this BB for more
> details.
>
> Oh yes, almost forgot, for most satellites the cost occurs up front so
> the "I'll wait to see if it is up there before I join/contribute"
> approach tends to be self-defeating.? Just a thought.
>
> John K4SQC
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:48 PM Michael via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>
> What did I say about "pie in the sky" and not being gullible? I'll
> believe? it when I see it. Some years back when I was still a
> member the
> mission statement had some bold proclamation about " daily
> coverage from
> geostationary satellites" How'd that work out for us? AMSAT DE has a
> beautiful and capable sat languishing in storage somewhere too don't
> they?? That was once a lofty goal. The best laid plans and all...
>
> Y'all have fun,
>
> 73,
>
> ??Michael, W4HIJ
>
> On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> > Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
> >
> >
>
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
> >
> > 73, Drew KO4MA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???
> <mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???>> On Behalf Of Michael via AMSAT-BB
> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> > To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296
> (Waving an antenna)
> >
> > You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and
> not once did I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is
> some sort of "low life". I'm just saying that IMO the easysat
> mentality has been run in the ground as a selling point for this
> branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of that mold and do
> something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears. BTW, that
> doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no
> chance to come to? fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl
> back in my hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better
> days when we are pushing the envelope again rather than becoming
> an also ran. I guess my dues money and paltry donations? don't
> make a difference to the organization. None the less, I will
> continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I won't
> be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just
> continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim
> future for this organization. Sigh...
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Michael, W4HIJ
> >
> >
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.??? <mailto:corlissbs@???.???>>
> >> To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
> >> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@????.?????.???
> <mailto:1624430397.216251.1564684267582@????.?????.???>>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
> >> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How
> many times
> >> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a
> handheld?
> >> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
> >> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" >
> There is
> >> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I
> have recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving
> an antenna." They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having
> great fun with the birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod,
> these people would have passed it up as too complicated. Our ham
> club is going to build our own stressed moxon antennas so everyone
> can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to get people into
> the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has to
> tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club.
> (Keep It Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB
> birds, receive SSTV images from the ISS and am learning to send
> packets. I welcome the new ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so
> be it. If I have to pay for some air time, so be it. If I have a
> learning curve, so be it. But I still will be the low life out
> there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the job
> done, and still gi
> >>? ? ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a
> tin foil
> >> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are
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> of AMSAT-NA.
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>
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 06:49:07 -0400
From: Mike Seguin <n1jez@?????????????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
Message-ID:
<07d48c8d-2744-437b-f909-9e81ffea7f0f@?????????????????.???>
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Hi Drew,
Any more specifics on the Five and Dime transponder on Golf Tee?
Frequencies, link budget etc.?
By LEO, I assume 500-800 km orbit? Doppler tracking could be interesting!
I'm sure I have all the necessary equipment here except for possibly
tracking depending on the requirements for uplink/downlink budget.
The equipment is so much easier these days. For uplink, possibly an
ADALM-PLUTO with appropriate filter/amplifier. For the downlink, a
simple GPS locked LNB.
The biggest challenges I see are tracking and most likely the need for
LOS. 5/10 GHz doesn't like trees.
Mike
On 8/2/2019 12:21 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Golf includes a 5/10 GHz SDR transponder. Does that qualify?
>
>
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> On Behalf Of Michael via
AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 11:58 AM
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 296 (Waving an
antenna)
>
> You miss the point. Of course there is room for all types and not once did
I suggest that anyone using a handheld antenna is some sort of "low life".
I'm just saying that IMO the easysat mentality has been run in the ground as
a selling point for this branch of the hobby. AMSAT needs to break out of
that mold and do something new! I'm begging! But, it falls on deaf ears.
BTW, that doesn't mean pie in the sky stuff that everyone knows has no
chance to come to fruition. I'm not that gullible. I'll crawl back in my
hole now, lurk on the reflector and hope for better days when we are pushing
the envelope again rather than becoming an also ran. I guess my dues money
and paltry donations don't make a difference to the organization. None the
less, I will continue to withhold them till I see some change, although I
won't be holding my breath! Again, just one man's opinion but if we just
continue to maintain the status quo as it stands now, I see a dim future for
this organization.
> Sigh...
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:31:07 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
>> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Waving An Antenna
>> Message-ID: <1624430397.216251.1564684267582@????.?????.???>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> <I don't mean to suggest there's anything wrong with easy. I just
>> think, as a selling point, it's run it's course is all. How many times
>> are you going to watch a guy at a hamfest with an HT and a handheld?
>> antenna exchange grid squares? I would think sooner or later people
>> just walk on by.? "Seen it already, where's the new rigs?" > There is
>> room in this hobby for all types of radio/satellite contact. I have
recently introduced two other hams to satellites by "waving an antenna."
They both bought Arrow 2 antennas and now are having great fun with the
birds. If I had a rotor system on a tripod, these people would have passed
it up as too complicated. Our ham club is going to build our own stressed
moxon antennas so everyone can work the birds. Depending if one is trying to
get people into the satellite hobby or dazzle them with technology, one has
to tailor the display to the crowd. Yes, I belong to the KISS club. (Keep It
Simple Stupid) But on the other hand, I do work the SSB birds, receive SSTV
images from the ISS and am learning to send packets. I welcome the new
ideas. If I have to buy a new radio, so be it. If I have to pay for some air
time, so be it. If I have a learning curve, so be it. But I still will be
the low life out there waving an Arrow 2 antenna because it is fun, gets the
job done, and still g
> i
>> ves me a thrill. And all my neighbors think I should have a tin foil
>> hat as I stand in my yard with my antenna in the air.? Brad KC9UQR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
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> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
--
73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
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