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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMSAT website? (skristof@???????.????
2. Re: AMSAT website? (Paul Stoetzer)
3. Satellite Challenge (ka3hdo@?????.????
4. Re: Satellite Challenge (Robert MacHale)
5. Just expanding on my previous thoughts about AMSAT
perception.... (Michael)
6. Re: Radio chest pack (Don KB2YSI)
7. Re: Transponders For Rent??? (Kenneth P Alexander)
8. Re: Just expanding on my previous thoughts about AMSAT
perception.... (Kenneth P Alexander)
9. Re: Transponders For Rent??? (Ev Tupis)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:56:07 -0400
From: skristof@???????.???
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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Thank you for the update!
A couple more questions for the group. Is the downlink for BO-101
(CAS-7B) 435.600 MHz? Is a tone needed for the uplink?
Steve AI9IN
On 2019-07-31 8:48 pm, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> I think there is some work going on at the moment. Some software upgrades
are necessary as we prepare to deploy some much-needed enhancements over the
next month or so.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:41 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
>> Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
>> me?
>>
>> Steve AI9IN
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:02:32 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Steve Kristoff <skristof@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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BO-102 downlink is 435.690 MHz. No tone is needed on the uplink, but the
receiver seems to be a little insensitive. With 30 watts, I struggled to
get in except at higher elevations, but your mileage may vary.
By the way, the website instability is due to a software upgrade.
Everything seems functional, if a bit slow. However, the Updates section
with recent posts seems to not be populating at the moment.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:58 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Thank you for the update!
>
> A couple more questions for the group. Is the downlink for BO-101
> (CAS-7B) 435.600 MHz? Is a tone needed for the uplink?
>
> Steve AI9IN
>
> On 2019-07-31 8:48 pm, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>
> > I think there is some work going on at the moment. Some software
> upgrades are necessary as we prepare to deploy some much-needed
> enhancements over the next month or so.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul, N8HM
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:41 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
> >> me?
> >>
> >> Steve AI9IN
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:21:30 -0400
From: <ka3hdo@?????.???>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite Challenge
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All,
Many of you probably were not at Hamvention when we announced this at the
ARISS forum and the AMSAT forum, but if you want a *real* challenge, AMSAT
and ARISS are working on the design of a ham radio system for the Lunar
Gateway.
To make this happen we are leveraging the work and expertise of the
world-wide AMSAT organizations and the international ARISS community in this
endeavor. We have an international team working this and are meeting 2x a
month to mature the concept. In May we presented our solid concept to NASA
and got great, positive feedback. This was followed up a few weeks later at
the ARISS-I meeting at the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) in Montreal where we
received great feedback from the CSA Gateway Program Manager after he saw
our presentation.
The AREx (Amateur Radio Exploration) team have done some really good work.
The challenge for each of you will be on the order of a 30 dB signal path
loss as compared to LEO. But the link margins on our design seem to close.
I just wanted you all to know that AMSAT NA, UK & DL and ARISS-together--are
working this phenomenal ham radio challenge. Come to the AMSAT-NA Symposium
in DC to hear more.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS International Chair
AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----------------
From: Michael <mat_62@???????.??? <mailto:mat_62@???????.???> >
To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's,
AMSAT perception)
Message-ID: <a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9@???????.???
<mailto:a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9@???????.???> >
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Just from the outside looking in...
AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".? I wanted a new
challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
motivation.
Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.? Her
candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
feel the way I do.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
--------------------------------------------
Frank H. Bauer
FBauer Aerospace Consulting Services (FB-ACS)
Phone: 301-804-0173
Cell: 301-873-0890
NASA E-mail: <mailto:Frank.Bauer@????.???> Frank.Bauer@????.???
FB-ACS E-mail: <mailto:fhbauer@???????.???> fbaueraerospace@?????.???
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 01:54:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???? <ka3hdo@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Satellite Challenge
Message-ID: <870669925.588825.1564624444577@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
That sounds GREAT!!!
Are there any plans for an APRS digipeater on the moon?
I am happy to help and will plan to attend your upcoming events.
73
Robert MacHale. KE6BLR Ham Radio License.?http://spaceCommunicator.club/aprs?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 06:23:23 PM PDT, Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
All,
Many of you probably were not at Hamvention when we announced this at the
ARISS forum and the AMSAT forum, but if you want a *real* challenge, AMSAT
and ARISS are working on the design of a ham radio system for the Lunar
Gateway.?
To make this happen we are leveraging the work and expertise of the
world-wide AMSAT organizations and the international ARISS community in this
endeavor.? We have an international team working this and are meeting 2x a
month to mature the concept.? In May we presented our solid concept to NASA
and got great, positive feedback.? This was followed up a few weeks later at
the ARISS-I meeting at the Canadian Space Agency (CSA) in Montreal where we
received great feedback from the CSA Gateway Program Manager after he saw
our presentation.
The AREx (Amateur Radio Exploration) team have done some really good work.
The challenge for each of you will be on the order of a 30 dB signal path
loss as compared to LEO.? But the link margins on our design seem to close.
I just wanted you all to know that AMSAT NA, UK & DL and ARISS-together--are
working this phenomenal ham radio challenge.? Come to the AMSAT-NA Symposium
in DC to hear more.
73,? Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS International Chair
AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----------------
From: Michael <mat_62@???????.??? <mailto:mat_62@???????.???> >
To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? AMSAT perception)
Message-ID: <a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9@???????.???
<mailto:a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9@???????.???> >
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Just from the outside looking in...
AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".? I wanted a new
challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
motivation.
Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.? Her
candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
feel the way I do.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
--------------------------------------------
Frank H. Bauer
FBauer Aerospace Consulting Services (FB-ACS)
Phone:? 301-804-0173
Cell:? 301-873-0890
NASA E-mail:? <mailto:Frank.Bauer@????.???> Frank.Bauer@????.???
FB-ACS E-mail:? <mailto:fhbauer@???????.???> fbaueraerospace@?????.???
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:56:37 -0400
From: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Just expanding on my previous thoughts about AMSAT
perception....
Message-ID: <598ce4d3-4774-805c-5a03-df2e461e3181@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
?Expanding on my previous thoughts pasted at bottom...
It seems to me that the 'easy" thing has run it's course. Again, just
one mans opinion but I think if you had some sort of setup outside a
hamfest with a card table and a folding chair, a sat rig and an Arduino
based rotator controller running off a laptop or I-pad and antennas on a
"WRAPS" ( I think?) type tripod tracking both Azimuth and Elevation,
you'd attract the more technically savvy hams. Probably more youth too.
I know in my model railroading hobby that the fact we can now run trains
with a smart phone is a big draw. Back in the day, on the not so great
passes, I would sometimes fire up the shack computer and my BASIC STAMP
based Sabretrack homebrew rotor controller and walk outside and watch my
old surplus OR-360 TV rotators moving my homebrew antennas to track the
sat across the sky. To me there was a certain "coolness factor" in that
which can't be matched by the guy holding the antenna in his hand and
waving it about. In fact, my whole idea in buying the beat up telescope
tripod was to sit outside at a table with a couple of HT's and my old
notebook computer driving? the thing with a couple of light weight
antennas on board. Yes, I know that I don't necessarily need to track
elevation with an LEO but watching the antennas track both is awesome to
me. I think we miss the boat sometimes by constantly harping on and
touting the "easy" aspect of it. Sometimes complex and high tech is more
attractive. Digital modes, SDR and computers have made HF radio hi tech
and cool again, at least for me, yet the sat hobby seems to be bending
over backwards to over simplify and make things BORRRING! Even model
railroads are computer controlled these days! It doesn't have to be
super expensive either. An Arduino and some DC motors and gears can be
had for less than the cost of a meal for four at Mickey D's. All my
OR-360's were was Mabuchi style hobby motors hooked to a gear train. You
controlled direction by switching polarity of 12VDC sent up the line and
they had position pot feedback. EasyComm format for AZ/EL. But hey, what
do I know, I've only been in this hobby forty one years. Just my opinion
anyway. That and five bucks will get you a "Venti" designer coffee at
Starbucks.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
Just from the outside looking in...
AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy". I wanted a new
challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
motivation.
Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff. Her
candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
feel the way I do.
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:38:54 -0400
From: Don KB2YSI <kb2ysi@?????.???>
To: Roger - W7TZ <ai7rogerroger@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Radio chest pack
Message-ID:
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The link did not come through, do you have the item title or can you
attempt to send the link again?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 17:06 Roger - W7TZ via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Holy cow, I had no idea. I don't need one myself. I came across one in the
> Daily Deal and thought I'd share the info. My apologies.
>
> 73, Roger
> W7TZ
> CN83ia
> Grid Busters
> w7tz.webs.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:54 PM Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > So which one did you pick???? Over 3 dozen entries show up when you
> > search Amazon. You didn't provide a link so we are left guessing which
> one
> > you like.
> >
> > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:16 PM Roger - W7TZ via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > > Recently someone asked about radio packs. I just discovered these on
> > Amazon
> > > reg $23 on sale for $18.69 and free shipping with Prime.
> > > Tactical Chest Rig, Heavy Duty Radio Chest Harness
> > >
> > > 73, Roger
> > > W7TZ
> > > CN83ia
> > > Grid Busters
> > > w7tz.webs.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
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> > program!
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> > >
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 12:59:02 +0700
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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"DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?
Ken (still VE3HLS)
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> BRILLIANT! Way to go, Michelle! The potential here is astounding.
> We're sending you all the good vibes that we can!
>
> Ev, W2EV
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson <
> mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:
>
> I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
>
> DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
> partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
>
> I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
> Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained
> RX and TX systems.
>
> Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the
> downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just
> restating you).
> That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we
> are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2
> downlink. Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also
> need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
> Interesting thought experiment, though.
> Ev
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
> then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
> source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
>
> Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
> internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
> intermediate step.
>
> Great question and discussion.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> > sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> > Brad Smith KC9UQR
> > <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> > soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this
> could
> > be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
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> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:14:57 +0700
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Just expanding on my previous thoughts about
AMSAT perception....
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Hi Michael,
I don't see anything wrong with "easy". Easy gets people to try new
things. I never dreamed I would get into satellites until I read I could
hear them with my HT and rubber duck. If not for that I probably wouldn't
have followed up and got on FM satellites with a D72 and then linear
satellites with a pair of FT-817s.
My circumstances demanded that I operate portable, swinging an Arrow
antenna around.
Only now, a few years later, am I at the stage where I'm thinking "yeah, it
would be cool to do this and that with an Arduino". Luckily, I'm retired
and now have the time to (slowly) learn how to program one.
My point is if people see that some new aspect of amateur radio is actually
easy to get into they're more likely to give it a try. Then they'll see
the opportunities to use neat tech to make the experience better. That's
how I see things happening.
73,
Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 08:58 Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Expanding on my previous thoughts pasted at bottom...
>
> It seems to me that the 'easy" thing has run it's course. Again, just
> one mans opinion but I think if you had some sort of setup outside a
> hamfest with a card table and a folding chair, a sat rig and an Arduino
> based rotator controller running off a laptop or I-pad and antennas on a
> "WRAPS" ( I think?) type tripod tracking both Azimuth and Elevation,
> you'd attract the more technically savvy hams. Probably more youth too.
> I know in my model railroading hobby that the fact we can now run trains
> with a smart phone is a big draw. Back in the day, on the not so great
> passes, I would sometimes fire up the shack computer and my BASIC STAMP
> based Sabretrack homebrew rotor controller and walk outside and watch my
> old surplus OR-360 TV rotators moving my homebrew antennas to track the
> sat across the sky. To me there was a certain "coolness factor" in that
> which can't be matched by the guy holding the antenna in his hand and
> waving it about. In fact, my whole idea in buying the beat up telescope
> tripod was to sit outside at a table with a couple of HT's and my old
> notebook computer driving the thing with a couple of light weight
> antennas on board. Yes, I know that I don't necessarily need to track
> elevation with an LEO but watching the antennas track both is awesome to
> me. I think we miss the boat sometimes by constantly harping on and
> touting the "easy" aspect of it. Sometimes complex and high tech is more
> attractive. Digital modes, SDR and computers have made HF radio hi tech
> and cool again, at least for me, yet the sat hobby seems to be bending
> over backwards to over simplify and make things BORRRING! Even model
> railroads are computer controlled these days! It doesn't have to be
> super expensive either. An Arduino and some DC motors and gears can be
> had for less than the cost of a meal for four at Mickey D's. All my
> OR-360's were was Mabuchi style hobby motors hooked to a gear train. You
> controlled direction by switching polarity of 12VDC sent up the line and
> they had position pot feedback. EasyComm format for AZ/EL. But hey, what
> do I know, I've only been in this hobby forty one years. Just my opinion
> anyway. That and five bucks will get you a "Venti" designer coffee at
> Starbucks.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
> Just from the outside looking in...
>
> AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
> PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
> with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
> but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy". I wanted a new
> challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
> station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
> with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
> Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
> Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
> buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
> that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
> bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
> spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
> motivation.
>
> Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
> in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
> anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
> YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff. Her
> candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
> no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
> AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
> perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
> feel the way I do.
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 10:34:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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It isn't even a proposal yet, Ken (Michelle said, "I'll see what I can find
out and draw up a proposal.").? Give it time to "bake". Lol.
"Go, Michelle.? Go!" :-)
Ev, W2EV
On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 1:59:18 AM EDT, Kenneth P Alexander
<ve3hls@?????.???> wrote:
"DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, "
Is this something I can do with a pair of FT-818s and my Arrow antenna?
Ken (still VE3HLS)
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog:? bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
?BRILLIANT!? Way to go, Michelle!? The potential here is astounding.? We're
sending you all the good vibes that we can!
Ev, W2EV
? ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson
<mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:?
?I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.?
DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.?
-Michelle W5NYV
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
?This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained
RX and TX systems.
Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the downlink,
the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just restating
you).
That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we are
reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2
downlink.? Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also
need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
Interesting thought experiment, though.
Ev
? ? On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:?
?Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
intermediate step.
Great question and discussion.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> Brad Smith KC9UQR
> <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this could
> be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>
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