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Today's Topics:
1. QSO?s on AO 91 WA9JBQ (Rick Wyrwas)
2. Re: HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to
attract more interest and revenue] (H. Stephen Nipper)
3. Re: HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to
attract more interest and revenue] (JoAnne K9JKM)
4. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's, AMSAT
perception) (Michael)
5. Re: Transponders For Rent??? (Michelle Thompson)
6. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's, AMSAT
perception) (John Brier)
7. AMSAT'S Cost for Launching the SATS (Gerald Witalec)
8. Re: AMSAT'S Cost for Launching the SATS (Paul Stoetzer)
9. Re: Transponders For Rent??? (Ev Tupis)
10. AMSAT website? (skristof@???????.????
11. Re: AMSAT website? (Paul Stoetzer)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:04:26 -0600
From: Rick Wyrwas <rwyrwas48@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] QSO?s on AO 91 WA9JBQ
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For this who contacted me on AO91 at 18:42 utc Pass. My recorded turned off
Please email rwyrwas48 @????? and I will log LOTW. From DN55
Thanks
Rick
WA9JBQ
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Rick Wyrwas
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:22:08 -0600
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX
(HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
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I thought that was Six Degrees of Separation.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:26 PM John Brier via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Indeed sir.
>
> If we can get ahold of Kevin Bacon maybe we can get a GEO sat!
>
> ;-)
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:14 PM John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Ah, like I said a different Bacon's Law. With very different
> implications.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:49 PM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bacon's law here means everyone is no more than six people away from
> >> someone who personally knows Kevin Bacon. He is saying we all know a
> >> lot of people, enough people that we might be able to do impressive
> >> things with them.
> >>
> >> Also, surely he doesn't mean AMSAT should drop everything for this
> >> idea. I think you're reading into Ev's message too much.
> >>
> >> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:26 AM John Kludt via AMSAT-BB
> >> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ev,
> >> >
> >> > The orbital debris regulations are a huge barrier. See Jerry's post
> on
> >> > this reflector. It is not the case that AMSAT is not looking very
> hard at
> >> > the issue. Everything has an opportunity cost associated with it.
> AMSAT
> >> > has limited resources both in terms of people and dollars. Are you
> >> > suggesting AMSAT drop everything they are working on and pursue your
> pet
> >> > option?
> >> >
> >> > Bacon's Law was passed by the Virginia Legislature June 23, 1676,
> after
> >> > Nathaniel Bacon *invaded* Jamestown and *forced* the legislature to
> grant
> >> > him a charter to go fight Indians. *That* Bacon's Law? So you are
> >> > suggesting we *invade* AMSAT HQ and *force* the Board of Director's to
> >> > authorize this project?
> >> >
> >> > Maybe you are referring to a different Bacon's Law. Sounds kind of
> over
> >> > the top to me.
> >> >
> >> > Respectfully,
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 7:12 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Somewhere in AMSAT there is someone who has "Project Managed" long
> enough
> >> > > (or has access to process-flow diagrams) and can publish a generic
> work
> >> > > breakdown of both the steps and resources needed to put a highly
> elliptical
> >> > > (presumably less expensive) or Geostationary (presumably more
> expensive)
> >> > > bird into orbit and manage it.
> >> > >
> >> > > If that person (or people) could publish that along with a
> "checkmark"
> >> > > next to the items that are "already in place", "in active
> progress", and
> >> > > "needs sponsor/enthusiast" then we are more likely to fill-in the
> gaps.
> >> > >
> >> > > Remember the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game (a.k.a. "Bacon's
> Law")?
> >> > > Let's play it out here!
> >> > > Ev, W2EV
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 6:15:19 PM EDT, Jerry Buxton via
> AMSAT-BB <
> >> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > On 7/28/2019 18:46, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >> > > > What are the top barriers to revisiting highly elliptical and
> AO-40 type
> >> > > goals?
> >> > > Actually, from my perspective right now the top barrier is orbital
> >> > > debris regulations. GOLF-1 isn't going where I wanted to go
> because the
> >> > > enforcement has become stringent and a hot topic worldwide. We
> can't
> >> > > license or launch anything that doesn't de-orbit within 25 years
> and a
> >> > > HEO orbit (GTO actually, keeping it simple for this point) is
> likely to
> >> > > last "too long" by itself. There are options available for deorbit
> BUT
> >> > > the kicker right now is that they have to be proven and approved by
> the
> >> > > FCC. In that we know of no such device(s) available at this time,
> >> > > keeping within the current expectations of 3U. A change in size
> (6U)
> >> > > might yield some possibilities but I know of none there either,
> right
> >> > > now. We have been discussing and working with both NASA and FCC for
> >> > > possibilities. If something is available whether drag or
> propulsion,
> >> > > then we get into the cost issue not to mention the price of a
> launch to
> >> > > a GTO which is currently around $900k MSRP. If we had a million
> bucks
> >> > > and approved device(s) were available right now that fit within a $1
> >> > > million budget then we would be pursuing that.
> >> > >
> >> > > Another option is to find a launch with a low enough perigee to
> >> > > naturally decay in 25 years, but whether earning an ELaNa launch or
> >> > > buying one, we will always be secondary payload and don't have a
> lot of
> >> > > say in specific orbit parameters.
> >> > >
> >> > > One more option is rideshare, and that is also in active discussion.
> >> > > The point there would be that the onus of orbital debris compliance
> is
> >> > > on the satellite we hitch a ride with, although that also goes into
> not
> >> > > having a lot of say on the final orbit not to mention satisfying a
> >> > > primary payload that everything will be just fine if they take us
> >> > > along. And then again, there's likely cost there too... We have
> some
> >> > > options that wouldn't necessarily require lots of money, they just
> won't
> >> > > be happening today.
> >> > >
> >> > > Other possibilities? As far as I know we are pursuing the current
> >> > > options available per NASA and FCC, but that doesn't mean that there
> >> > > aren't other possibilities. If you have any, keep in mind that
> building
> >> > > a good case for use of whatever the possibility might be is key to
> >> > > gaining any approval. And 90% probability that whatever will get
> you
> >> > > back in less than 25 years is a tough challenge.
> >> > >
> >> > > We are bucking a trend, general CubeSat missions are happy with
> going
> >> > > lower or from ISS, and bucking the trend not new with AMSAT but it
> is
> >> > > new in this world today because of the regulation and stakes as
> well as
> >> > > the fact that most everyone we deal with has no knowledge of AMSAT
> >> > > beyond the record the we have created and grown in the last 4 years
> of
> >> > > launches. We are not magically known just because we launched some
> >> > > pretty cool satellites in the past. Hopefully we will be known by
> more
> >> > > through our continued contact, cooperation, and "by the book"
> production
> >> > > and delivery of CubeSats with NASA, FCC, launch integrators, and
> others
> >> > > who we look to for these launch opportunities.
> >> > >
> >> > > Or get a bunch of money because that probably is the second biggest
> >> > > barrier...
> >> > >
> >> > > Jerry Buxton, N?JY
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> > > expressed
> >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of
> >> > > AMSAT-NA.
> >> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> > > Subscription settings:
> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
> available
> >> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> > > expressed
> >> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of
> >> > > AMSAT-NA.
> >> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> > > Subscription settings:
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> >> > >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> >> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> >> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> > Subscription settings:
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> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
--
Stephen Nipper
Boise, Idaho
N7DJX
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:11:10 -0500
From: "JoAnne K9JKM" <joanne.k9jkm@?????.???>
To: "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX
(HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
Message-ID: <5d41f5dd.1c69fb81.48b47.9411@??.??????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Bacon == Man Candy ;-)
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@?????.???
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:21:26 -0400
From: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's,
AMSAT perception)
Message-ID: <a285ca79-e3af-048c-9d8b-85d8345cb2e9@???????.???>
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Just from the outside looking in...
AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy".? I wanted a new
challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
motivation.
Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff.? Her
candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
feel the way I do.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
>> Somewhere in AMSAT there is someone who has "Project Managed" long enough
>> (or has access to process-flow diagrams) and can publish a generic work
>> breakdown of both the steps and resources needed to put a highly elliptical
>> (presumably less expensive) or Geostationary (presumably more expensive)
>> bird into orbit and manage it.
>>
>> If that person (or people) could publish that along with a "checkmark"
>> next to the items that are "already in place", "in active progress", and
>> "needs sponsor/enthusiast" then we are more likely to fill-in the gaps.
>>
>> Remember the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game (a.k.a. "Bacon's Law")?
>> Let's play it out here!
>> Ev, W2EV
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 6:15:19 PM EDT, Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/28/2019 18:46, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> What are the top barriers to revisiting highly elliptical and AO-40 type
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:34:04 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
Message-ID:
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I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.
DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
> Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained
> RX and TX systems.
>
> Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the
> downlink, the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just
> restating you).
> That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we
> are reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2
> downlink. Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also
> need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
> Interesting thought experiment, though.
> Ev
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
> AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
> then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
> source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
>
> Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
> internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
> intermediate step.
>
> Great question and discussion.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> > sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> > Brad Smith KC9UQR
> > <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> > soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this
> could
> > be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:06:41 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Michael <mat_62@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 14, Issue 292 (HEO's,
AMSAT perception)
Message-ID:
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Are you aware of GOLF? [1]
It is about getting to a "higher orbit, whether LEO, MEO, HEO, or
GEO." It sounds like it has a lot of challenges, but this is already a
goal AMSAT has declared.
I am assuming HEO or GEO would require a more challenging setup.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
1)
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:23 PM Michael via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> Just from the outside looking in...
>
> AMSAT APPEARS only to be interested in hoisting flying repeaters and
> PACSAT/APRS and showing the average ham how "easy" it is to work sats
> with a handheld and a simple antenna. I guess that's all well and good
> but I didn't get in the sat end of the hobby for "easy". I wanted a new
> challenge. I was too late for A0-40 because of lack of funds for a
> station but I did have fun for awhile chasing AO-51, FO-29, AO-7 etc.
> with a TS-2000X and a homebrew rotator and antenna system.
> Unfortunately, life got in the way and I needed family funds so the
> Kenwood hit Ebay and I'm inactive on the birds now. I sometimes consider
> buying a couple of Baofengs (you should ALWAYS operate full duplex but
> that's another thread) and getting back in on the cheap, I even recently
> bought a beat up old telescope with a computer tracking tripod system I
> spotted at Goodwill, but honestly, the challenge isn't there to give me
> motivation.
>
> Before everyone flames me, as I said, this is from the outside looking
> in and just one man's opinion. I really wish AMSAT would do something,
> anything, to change my perception. Seems to me I saw something about a
> YL running for the board who's interested in open sourcing stuff. Her
> candidate statement was IMHO, a much needed breath of fresh air but I'm
> no longer a member and don't keep up so no idea if she got elected. If
> AMSAT wants my membership and donation dollars back, they need to change
> perception and I suspect there are many out here in the community who
> feel the way I do.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
>
> >> Somewhere in AMSAT there is someone who has "Project Managed" long
enough
> >> (or has access to process-flow diagrams) and can publish a generic work
> >> breakdown of both the steps and resources needed to put a highly
elliptical
> >> (presumably less expensive) or Geostationary (presumably more expensive)
> >> bird into orbit and manage it.
> >>
> >> If that person (or people) could publish that along with a "checkmark"
> >> next to the items that are "already in place", "in active progress", and
> >> "needs sponsor/enthusiast" then we are more likely to fill-in the gaps.
> >>
> >> Remember the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game (a.k.a. "Bacon's Law")?
> >> Let's play it out here!
> >> Ev, W2EV
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 6:15:19 PM EDT, Jerry Buxton via
AMSAT-BB <
> >> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 7/28/2019 18:46, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >>> What are the top barriers to revisiting highly elliptical and AO-40 type
> >>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:27:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Gerald Witalec <jplanner@?????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT'S Cost for Launching the SATS
Message-ID: <261709725.546228.1564612052371@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Just curious. It seems as though it is getting difficult about placing he
ham SATS dueto cost. I wonder what may happen if the cost is so prohibitive
that AMSAT could
possibly go by the way side. Just asking.
Jerry
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:06:48 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Gerald Witalec <jplanner@?????????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT'S Cost for Launching the SATS
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Over 20 years ago, Bill Tynan wrote an Apogee View column where he
discussed he possibility of AMSAT not being able to launch satellites in
the future. Yet here we are with plenty of opportunities for launches and
ham payloads.
Orbital debris regulations and costs already make it a much different
environment and we might not have the opportunity to launch 25 kg - 150 kg
satellites today or an easy path to the orbits we would like. We may find
further restrictions on the size of satellites we can finance or the orbits
we can go to, but with the proliferation of small launch providers, I
certainly don?t see us lacking opportunities over the next 10-20 years.
Rest assured that AMSAT?s directors and officers are 100% committed to
maintaining and expanding our relationships with government space agencies,
the university community, the space industry, and national and
international regulators to ensure that amateur radio remains in space.
We?ve been there since 4 years after Sputnik was launched. Before OSCAR I,
space was the exclusive domain of national governments. Amateurs opened it
up and helped to democratize space. We intend to stay there.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 18:47 Gerald Witalec via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Just curious. It seems as though it is getting difficult about placing he
> ham SATS dueto cost. I wonder what may happen if the cost is so prohibitive
> that AMSAT could
> possibly go by the way side. Just asking.
> Jerry
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 00:08:31 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transponders For Rent???
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BRILLIANT!? Way to go, Michelle!? The potential here is astounding.? We're
sending you all the good vibes that we can!
Ev, W2EV
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019, 4:34:42 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson
<mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:
I got a call from a space industry contact who saw this post.?
DVB-S2X down, FDMA up, single carrier, reasonable rent, public safety
partner. Money for a year's worth could be raised in a single campaign.
I'll see what I can find out and draw up a proposal.?
-Michelle W5NYV
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:53 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
?This is interesting for sure, Michelle.
Traditionally, amateur satellites (and symbiants) have been self-contained
RX and TX systems.
Conjecture follows...If DVB-S2 could be negotiated to provide the downlink,
the missing component is an uplink within the amateur bands (just restating
you).
That means (if it can be negotiated), our work is cut in half because we are
reduced to providing the uplink (RX) side and a pathway to the DVB-S2
downlink.? Of course, this is an oversimplification because we would also
need all of the things that make a symbiant palatable to the host system.
Interesting thought experiment, though.
Ev
? ? On Tuesday, July 30, 2019, 4:26:39 PM EDT, Michelle Thompson via
AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:?
?Since the potential rentable birds generally all use DVB-S2 as a downlink,
then the work Phase 4 Ground is doing to bring that entire standard to open
source amateur radio use would seem to be quite relevant.
Different question is how to handle amateur uplinks, but there are some
internet backhaul options there that would work very well as an
intermediate step.
Great question and discussion.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 13:04 Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Yes, I would rent in a minute. This would be my solution for working the
> sats. in the Wisconsin Winter!
> Brad Smith KC9UQR
> <So, like "FM Tower for Rent", signs as seen all over the U.S., could we
> soon see "GEO TV Satellite transponder for rent" as well ?Maybe this could
> be an answer to a ham GEO transponder ?>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:40:52 -0400
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Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
me?
Steve AI9IN
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:48:49 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Steve Kristoff <skristof@???????.???>
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT website?
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I think there is some work going on at the moment. Some software upgrades
are necessary as we prepare to deploy some much-needed enhancements over
the next month or so.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:41 PM AI9IN via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Anyone else having trouble getting into the AMSAT website or is it just
> me?
>
> Steve AI9IN
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