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Today's Topics:
1. Re: HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to
attract more interest and revenue] (Roy Dean)
2. Exciting VARA SAT digital experiments via QO-100 (KC9SGV)
3. Re: Exciting VARA SAT digital experiments via QO-100 (KC9SGV)
4. Re: HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to
attract more interest and revenue] (Jean Marc Momple)
5. Re: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to attract more interest and
revenue (Daniel Schultz)
6. HEO and EMCOMM (Les Rayburn)
7. Re: HEO and EMCOMM (John Kludt)
8. Re: HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to
attract more interest and revenue] (Ev Tupis)
9. Re: HEO and EMCOMM (Jean Marc Momple)
10. Re: HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to
attract more interest and revenue] (Jean Marc Momple)
11. Radio chest pack (Roger - W7TZ)
12. Re: Radio chest pack (Jeff Moore)
13. Re: Radio chest pack (Brian L. Threlkeld)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:25:15 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX
(HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
Message-ID:
<CADGPg2s4Rr05Jc8Eu53qawi1f+ezB1Xhyh9aWemZRe9PswXGbg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground
> transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts?
> Clean room time? Payload space?
> Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what
> money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house
> awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours,
> Ev, W2EV
I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to
geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are
two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to
money or some amazing negotiating skills.
Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and
I often am).
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:07:33 -0500
From: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Exciting VARA SAT digital experiments via QO-100
Message-ID: <6092CE19-6788-4F87-ACFC-E4E826BBE37C@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi All,
ISO0GRB has set up a Winlink server via QO-100.
The digital mode used, is the new VARA SAT of Jose, EH5HVK, with increased
latency and wider frequency mismatch tolerance.
This slows the thruput a bit, but still gives very useful operating results.
See the discussion here:
https://forum.amsat-dl.org/index.php?thread/2829-is0grb-winlink-server-on-qo-1
00-dial-10489635-0-usb/&pageNo=3
Bernard,
KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:15:02 -0500
From: KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Exciting VARA SAT digital experiments via
QO-100
Message-ID: <F4A2CB9E-847F-4939-8C5E-66A23043BCBB@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Also, see IS0GRB's QO-100 announcement on the Winlink home page.
https://winlink.org/content/is0grb_winlink_server_qo_100_geostationary_sat_26?
est_dial_10489635_mhz_usb
Bernard,
KC9SGV
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:07 AM, KC9SGV <kc9sgv@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> ISO0GRB has set up a Winlink server via QO-100.
> The digital mode used, is the new VARA SAT of Jose, EH5HVK, with increased
latency and wider frequency mismatch tolerance.
> This slows the thruput a bit, but still gives very useful operating results.
>
> See the discussion here:
>
https://forum.amsat-dl.org/index.php?thread/2829-is0grb-winlink-server-on-qo-1
00-dial-10489635-0-usb/&pageNo=3
>
> Bernard,
> KC9SGV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:20:54 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX
(HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
Message-ID: <262E75AA-E21B-4857-A9F7-1F8E473B307C@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Roy,
My humble comment about your relevant questions (I have no answer for these).
All always think money first and about other hurdles. What we need (the
worldwide HAM community) is just a strong common vision, the rest (including
money will follow).
E.g. Apollo moon landing success was made just by the vision of a strong
leader (and surely the team behind him) who federate a nation (US) behind
same.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
>>
>> What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground
>> transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts?
>> Clean room time? Payload space?
>> Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what
>> money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house
>> awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours,
>> Ev, W2EV
>
>
> I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to
> geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are
> two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to
> money or some amazing negotiating skills.
>
> Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and
> I often am).
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:14:08 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@???.???>
To: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>,
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to attract more
interest and revenue
Message-ID: <659XgCqNi9888Set.1564416848@?????.???.???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Jean Marc,
Yes, it is wonderful that hams in your hemisphere were offered this amazing
opportunity from Qatar. However, the economics of middle eastern royalty
differ somewhat from economics in our hemisphere, where corporate stockholder
value is the primary if not the only business consideration. We have had some
potential GEO opportunities with Intelsat and the US Air Force, but business
considerations eventually won out and the projects died. We will keep trying
to find one of these opportunities, but we must have a plan of action to
proceed on our own if a rich benefactor does not come forward.
One of the factors that I did not mention in my previous missive is that we
are now in the era of "full cost accounting" in which it is much harder for a
project manager to bury the integration cost of an amateur satellite into his
general budget.
73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:15:04 AM EDT
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Daniel Schultz <n8fgv@???.???>Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to attract more interest
and revenue
> Daniel,
>
> One way around all the issues you mentioned is may be to "copy with pride"
the QO-100 GEO which has changed Radio Amateur satellites operations this part
of the world.
>
> To explain; we are now we are back to experimentation building PA?s,
feeds etc? also enabling new modes which where not possible before (ATV in
my case). For 3B8 this is fantastic as in spite active on LEO's since 1978,
not much to do as we are in the middle of the ocean, only a few guys reachable
on LEO good passes. Now we can QSO with half of the world on a bird, loud and
clear 24/7 e.g.
>
> What I mean is that trying to partner with some commercial operators to have
a HAM transponder on board of their satellite may be a solution, some may even
sponsor if we are convincing enough. More it would be fantastic to have
worldwide coverage with say 3 GEO?s, just a vision.
>
> Some food for thought.
>
> 73
>
>
> Jean Marc (3B8DU)
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:27:47 -0400
From: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO and EMCOMM
Message-ID: <1B2DABE7-BD7A-4822-86D2-6B3D2D7A2DC0@????????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
One application for a geostationary satellite that should not be discounted
would be emergency communications. During Hurricane Michael in the panhandle
of Florida last year, amateur radio (HF) was critical despite scores of
temporary cell towers being deployed into the area.
We were on the ground, embedded with law enforcement for over a week in
Panama City, and saw first-hand the communication difficulties.
Problems with IP routing prevented many of these temporary cell sites from
working properly, forcing amateur radio back into the forefront.
Ditto Hurricane Maria, where the island location made communications
difficult.
Having a geostationary amateur satellite available 24/7 would greatly
increase the ability of amateur radio to provide EMCOMM on a backup basis to
served agencies when needed.
This is a mission that would appeal to DoD, Congress, and many other
stakeholders. AMSAT should discuss these possibilities with the ARRL and
begin lobbying our contacts on the Hill to find a ride for this mission.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF
Maylene, AL
EM63nf
AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:28:38 -0400
From: John Kludt <johnnykludt@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO and EMCOMM
Message-ID:
<CABsMmtQhRqGpw4OixvQ+51kNq-TTm6rXP37pJcXWonvt-zGQJw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
All,
Everything being said is true. And a ride is in the several million dollar
range. Who is going to lead the fund raising effort?
John
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:26 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> One application for a geostationary satellite that should not be
> discounted would be emergency communications. During Hurricane Michael in
> the panhandle of Florida last year, amateur radio (HF) was critical despite
> scores of temporary cell towers being deployed into the area.
>
> We were on the ground, embedded with law enforcement for over a week in
> Panama City, and saw first-hand the communication difficulties.
>
> Problems with IP routing prevented many of these temporary cell sites from
> working properly, forcing amateur radio back into the forefront.
>
> Ditto Hurricane Maria, where the island location made communications
> difficult.
>
> Having a geostationary amateur satellite available 24/7 would greatly
> increase the ability of amateur radio to provide EMCOMM on a backup basis
> to served agencies when needed.
>
> This is a mission that would appeal to DoD, Congress, and many other
> stakeholders. AMSAT should discuss these possibilities with the ARRL and
> begin lobbying our contacts on the Hill to find a ride for this mission.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:34:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX
(HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
Message-ID: <1524008278.1272754.1564421689834@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I use money to acquire things that I don't have the personal skill, tools,
contacts, influence, energy, etc. to get any other way.? Let's shift gears...
Let's focus on what needs to be accomplished in order to get a "highly
elliptical" satellite flying.
Ask ourselves, "Item-by-item, step-by-step, "What does it take to put one
"up there" and managed?""
Then, ask ourselves, "What do we already have in place or available 'for the
asking'?"
Once that is identified, we focus on the stuff that is left.
We *actively* and publicly solicit help to close that gap by transparently
and openly telling everyone what is needed to be successful.
Then, the power of "the crowd" kicks in.? People will
have/have-access-to/know someone and fill in many of the "holes".
Whatever remains becomes a targeted public funding campaign with a concrete
cost and known outcome.
Hey...this approach worked for AO-40, if you'll remember.
Ev, W2EV
On Monday, July 29, 2019, 11:49:18 AM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> What needs to be donated?? Technical expertise?? Parts?? Ground
> transportation?? Meeting rooms?? Negotiation skill? Political contacts?
> Clean room time?? Payload space?
> Everyone always thinks "money".? (As much) money isn't needed if "what
> money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house
> awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours,
> Ev, W2EV
I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY.? The ride to
geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier.? The way I see it, there are
two solutions:? Buy a ride, or mooch a ride.? ? So again, it's down to
money or some amazing negotiating skills.
Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and
I often am).
--Roy
K3RLD
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:41:57 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Les Rayburn <les@????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO and EMCOMM
Message-ID: <F6CB6E84-4FF8-454E-BDE4-EFDFC6858F12@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Les,
Fully agree, and this is quite important for us here subject to Cyclones
every year. In case of failure of all Telco networks HAM?s may provide some
relief.
HF is not really as a reliable option these days, I am running a Winlink RMS
on HF for the past 5 years for fellow yachtmen crossing the Indian Ocean and
for emergency com , reliability is low,. Thus QO-100 is (24/7) is bridging
the gap as far as Emcom for 3B8 is concern.
I fully agree with you that such argument may be sold to authorities,
commercial operators and others to get more GEO transponders in the sky.
To my opinion it deserves trying and to be be tenace to succeed.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> One application for a geostationary satellite that should not be
discounted would be emergency communications. During Hurricane Michael in
the panhandle of Florida last year, amateur radio (HF) was critical despite
scores of temporary cell towers being deployed into the area.
>
> We were on the ground, embedded with law enforcement for over a week in
Panama City, and saw first-hand the communication difficulties.
>
> Problems with IP routing prevented many of these temporary cell sites from
working properly, forcing amateur radio back into the forefront.
>
> Ditto Hurricane Maria, where the island location made communications
difficult.
>
> Having a geostationary amateur satellite available 24/7 would greatly
increase the ability of amateur radio to provide EMCOMM on a backup basis to
served agencies when needed.
>
> This is a mission that would appeal to DoD, Congress, and many other
stakeholders. AMSAT should discuss these possibilities with the ARRL and
begin lobbying our contacts on the Hill to find a ride for this mission.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> Maylene, AL
> EM63nf
> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:02:07 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX
(HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
Message-ID: <924D566A-C855-4F64-995D-7465E9FE00C8@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Ev,
Very interesting debate which will hopefully lead to some strategy for the
future of satellite operations.
I fully agree with all your comments except for one thing, elliptical is a
half solution, those who are enjoying QO-100 will surely agree. Let?s think
big, GEO.
My one cent input.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> I use money to acquire things that I don't have the personal skill, tools,
contacts, influence, energy, etc. to get any other way. Let's shift gears...
>
> Let's focus on what needs to be accomplished in order to get a "highly
elliptical" satellite flying.
> Ask ourselves, "Item-by-item, step-by-step, "What does it take to put one
"up there" and managed?""
> Then, ask ourselves, "What do we already have in place or available 'for
the asking'?"
> Once that is identified, we focus on the stuff that is left.
> We *actively* and publicly solicit help to close that gap by transparently
and openly telling everyone what is needed to be successful.
> Then, the power of "the crowd" kicks in. People will
have/have-access-to/know someone and fill in many of the "holes".
> Whatever remains becomes a targeted public funding campaign with a
concrete cost and known outcome.
>
> Hey...this approach worked for AO-40, if you'll remember.
>
> Ev, W2EV
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2019, 11:49:18 AM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>>
>> What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground
>> transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts?
>> Clean room time? Payload space?
>> Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what
>> money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house
>> awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours,
>> Ev, W2EV
>
>
> I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to
> geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are
> two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to
> money or some amazing negotiating skills.
>
> Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and
> I often am).
>
> --Roy
> K3RLD
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 12:15:08 -0700
From: Roger - W7TZ <ai7rogerroger@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Radio chest pack
Message-ID:
<CAEahN0LYJH1qCP+3RVoXJU49qM7RBcnVBv4j+ezUETGVFsyMPg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Recently someone asked about radio packs. I just discovered these on Amazon
reg $23 on sale for $18.69 and free shipping with Prime.
Tactical Chest Rig, Heavy Duty Radio Chest Harness
73, Roger
W7TZ
CN83ia
Grid Busters
w7tz.webs.com
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:54:51 -0700
From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@?????.???>
To: Amsat BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Radio chest pack
Message-ID:
<CALx_moQW6WXYP72K0upJrF-K--jta1V-LcEDVscs9WaE8=ZiXQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
So which one did you pick???? Over 3 dozen entries show up when you
search Amazon. You didn't provide a link so we are left guessing which one
you like.
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:16 PM Roger - W7TZ via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Recently someone asked about radio packs. I just discovered these on Amazon
> reg $23 on sale for $18.69 and free shipping with Prime.
> Tactical Chest Rig, Heavy Duty Radio Chest Harness
>
> 73, Roger
> W7TZ
> CN83ia
> Grid Busters
> w7tz.webs.com
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:56:31 -0500
From: "Brian L. Threlkeld" <bthrelkeld@?????.???>
To: AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Radio chest pack
Message-ID:
<CAHbn9oCB2Lc4Qo_3pQbFQiiX+CDM7TWLxQrj4rNhUX46x1uBXw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
And what radios are you carrying with it .. 2 FT-818s fit?
73 DE KQ4MM
Brian
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 3:54 PM Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> So which one did you pick???? Over 3 dozen entries show up when you
> search Amazon. You didn't provide a link so we are left guessing which one
> you like.
>
> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:16 PM Roger - W7TZ via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Recently someone asked about radio packs. I just discovered these on
> Amazon
> > reg $23 on sale for $18.69 and free shipping with Prime.
> > Tactical Chest Rig, Heavy Duty Radio Chest Harness
> >
> > 73, Roger
> > W7TZ
> > CN83ia
> > Grid Busters
> > w7tz.webs.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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