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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Opinion regarding satellite radios (Nate Duehr)
2. Re: 220 MHz Radios and Region 2 Hams (Nate Duehr)
3. Re: presentation for hamfest (Nate Duehr)
4. UT1FG/mm now in the Med (Robert Turlington)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:24:23 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Opinion regarding satellite radios
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47DD65D7.1080405(AT)natetech.com>
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G8IFF/KC8NHF wrote:
> Nate Duehr wrote:
>>
>> I think what you meant to say is... "only little old ITU Region 2 has
>> that band". Canada, Mexico... etc...
>>
>
> I guess so but I would suspect that the USA has the majority of the
> amateurs in Region 2.
> I suppose my gripe is that too many Americans appear to believe that the
> USA is the centre of the universe and the rest of the world should cater
> for their needs.
(GRIN)... understand.
> If there really is demand for a VHF/UHF multimode satellite capable
> radio with 220 and 1296 then there are several American manufacturers
> (TenTec, Elecraft for example) perfectly capable of the task. They
> obviously don't see it as a viable product.
Wish they did. That's why I gripe in public. (BIGGER GRIN)
>> Yeah, yeah... so they can build modules for the bands you guys have
>> that WE don't, too. (GRIN)
>>
> Band modules are a great idea.
> It's a pity more rigs don't come with bays for plug in transverters but
> it leads to a larger chassis that many wouldn't need or be prepared to
> pay for.
> Tektronix have made 'scopes for centuries with plug in modules so it's
> hardly a new idea. The Ft-736 had transverters but it needs to be a
> front panel plug in to allow for easy selection of facilities.
I like the modular rigs. Icom made a nice modular rig that had
stackable modules and fiber optic connections in the 80's or 90's for
mobile work that has become a workhorse in the "remote base" world,
since then... and of course the Yaesu FT-736R and a few others, less
known. Those were the "good ones", that I've seen.
Would be nice to see someone do it again... especially for SSB.
From the discussion earlier this week about there *maybe* being D-Star
support in the upcoming IC-911D... that's interesting, but I wish Icom
made a desktop rig that did what the IC-910 does with HF also... I need
28 MHz for some IF's for the transverters!
The FT-847 just sits here doing the workhorse duty in my shack, and
FT-857 mobile, because they do so much for so little money... but the
transverter "mess" can get annoying, especially since I sometimes take
the whole show on the road as a VHF+ rover station... what a logistics
nightmare. The FT-736R could be picked up and carried out, and you're
done... four bands mobile... take two, and you could cover more bands...
but at only 10W on most bands... then you need amps... and the resulting
mess from that...
Sigh... (GRIN)... it never ends... but it's great fun! Sorry a bit OT
for AMSAT-BB, but these rigs all do various things that help ya work the
birds, too!
Bumper sticker idea:
"AMSAT is for the birds!" ????? Nah... that doesn't sound right at all!
(BIG GRIN)
Nate WY0X
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:27:32 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 220 MHz Radios and Region 2 Hams
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <47DD6694.8070903(AT)natetech.com>
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James Duffey wrote:
> The US manufacturers are victims of the return on investment paradigm
Add the word "quarterly" to that sentence fragment, and you have the
real problem... no long-term development, no R&D...
If you have to develop and build a radio while keeping the rest of your
company showing a profit EVERY QUARTER, especially if the company is
publicaly-held (because investors have gone completely insane and aren't
in it for the long-term over here anymore... for various reasons...)
you'll never get much but the high-end HF rigs done.
Oh well, it's DEFINITELY off-topic, but nice summary of the problem Jonesy!
Nate WY0X
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:41:46 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: presentation for hamfest
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Wayne Estes wrote:
> I'm amused at your presumption that all hams have a mobile ham radio and
> spend a great deal of time in their car.
>
> Wayne Estes W9AE
> Oakland, Oregon, USA, CN83ik
This may be somewhat true information from Wayne...
The manufacturers pushing lots and lots of cheap HT's has made our
repeater association consider ideas for beefing up receiver coverage
(voting) because lots and lots of hams don't "get it" anymore that 5W
from 20+ miles away just isn't much signal left on VHF/UHF/etc... and
they also see the glossy ads of people talking long distances, etc...
and want the HT to act like their cellphone.
So right now, the project is ... find a way to do all of this voting
digitally...
Analog voters and links are a HUGE pain. We're busy with some other
things right now, but perhaps the techies will get some "tinker time"
with some of our ideas this summer...
I only shared, because it relates to Wayne's comments. If I had to
guess, I'd say the most active *repeater* users (those we're targeting
to try out FM birds) right now, ALL start with HT's... and take a while
to "upgrade" to permanently-installed high-power mobiles.
If the repeater groups naturally gravitate toward "solutions" for the HT
users... the AMSAT folks will also see less and less folks with
high-power FM rigs... (that's where my rambling comment really leads
here...)
Nate WY0X
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:54:57 +0000
From: Robert Turlington <rob_g8ate(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/mm now in the Med
To: Amsat Buleitin Board <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Hi All
Yuri UT1FG/mm is making steady progress and is now in the Mediteranian Sea
today I worked him at the following times
1214utc on SO50 in IM96
1405utc on AO27 in JM05
1634utc on AO16 in JM07
1941utc on AO51 in JM17
Regards Robert G8ATE
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