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Today's Topics:
1. FIREBIRD over Brazil (Roland Zurmely)
2. FUNcube Warehouse Outage during Europe pass (David Johnson)
3. Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C (John / NS1Z)
4. Re: Lessons I learned the hard way (Glen Zook)
5. Re: Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C (Rolf Krogstad)
6. Re: Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C (Stefan Wagener)
7. Re: Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
8. Re: Lessons I learned the hard way (Ted)
9. DMARC bounces (Andre)
10. Re: FOX News (Daniel Schultz)
11. Re: DMARC bounces (Floyd Rodgers)
12. Re: DMARC bounces (Joe Fitzgerald)
13. Satpc32 and auto select (Marc Tessier - VE3TES)
14. Re: [Bod] FOX News (JoAnne Maenpaa)
15. Re: FOX News (Clint Bradford)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 12:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roland Zurmely <py4zbz@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FIREBIRD over Brazil
Message-ID:
<1399922035.38907.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
http://www.qsl.net/py4zbz/firebird.htm
FIREBIRD
? ? FIREBIRD-A por PY4ZBZ???? em
12-05-2014 ? ? Em 12-05-2014 na orbita #2307 copiamos pela
primeira vez o FIREBIRD-A. Em 437,405 MHz a 1...
View on www.qsl.net Preview by Yahoo
?
73 de Roland PY4ZBZ ?GH70un
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 23:05:46 +0100
From: David Johnson <dave@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: AmsatBB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube Warehouse Outage during Europe pass
Message-ID:
<CAHOBG6U94Zf3RdKkKc0v8rrawWKdbNeoeO20Y-gDKEj4QTis9w@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I had to check some processing under high load and do a swap of the data
processor during the pass.
Apologies for any inconvenience.
73
Dave
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 18:32:16 -0400
From: "John / NS1Z" <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C
Message-ID: <0E2A8991950F449AA1E43F0C039D3531@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I guess I am alittle blind. Have been to AMSAT UK, NA and DL ? can?t seem to
find 12.8.c upgrade program.
Would someone send me the update URL?
Thanks.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 15:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Thomas Doyle <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lessons I learned the hard way
Message-ID:
<1399934941.75967.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
A number of companies, in which upper management have been engineers, suffer
from the fact that most engineers are not completely satisfied when products
are released.
When I went to work for the Collins Radio Company, right out of college at
the "new" corporate headquarters in Richardson, Texas, Art Collins had a
very bad habit of coming up with minor production changes to equipment being
manufactured and insisting that these changes be made before the equipment
shipped to the customer. ?Then, before all those changes had been made, he
would come up with still other changes. ?This caused no equipment being
shipped and, therefore, no income to the company.
To get around Art's changes, every division had an "Art project" to keep him
occupied and away from equipment that was really intended to ship to
customers. ?The "Art project" items were never intended to ship. ?But, by
keeping him away from the real production, equipment was being shipped and
there was income to the company.
?
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:57 AM, Thomas Doyle <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
When I was a young engineer working for Motorola Communication Division in
Chicago I recall a meeting where the engineers met with upper level
management on the release to production of a UHF mobile radio. Each
engineer had some additional tests they wanted to perform before it was
released to production and out of our hands. After listening to our
concerns for a fairly long time he said - "If it was up to you engineers we
would never release anything to production and we would have nothing to
sell and we would not have any money to pay you with". Never forgot that.
Any engineer worthy of his salt is never 100% sure about anything that is
going into an environment they can not control. The problem comes in when
there is suddenly more time to do additional testing and the time is used
to try out fun exciting new things rather than the much less
interesting and often boring testing and refining the existing product. I
do hope the hard working FOX crew takes advantage of the time they have
been given to make sure everything is right with the good work they have
done rather than trying out some new fun interesting things that could wind
up flying without adequate testing. We need something that works not
necessarily the latest trendy technology gadget. I have seen this happen
with unpleasant results in other non-AMSAT projects. In any event thanks to
the Fox crew for their hard work.
W9KE Tom Doyle
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 18:11:27 -0500
From: Rolf Krogstad <rolf.krogstad@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "John / NS1Z" <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C
Message-ID:
<CAJJyj=Y29SJA4qA1wFnmFBt6uR8C2tdSrwe4kOAnK0pJNwaY9Q@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
www.dk1tb.de
73
Rolf NR0T
Amsat #38889
On May 12, 2014 6:07 PM, "John / NS1Z" <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I guess I am alittle blind. Have been to AMSAT UK, NA and DL ? can?t seem
> to find 12.8.c upgrade program.
>
> Would someone send me the update URL?
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 18:08:59 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "John / NS1Z" <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C
Message-ID:
<CAKu8kHDzJ2-Ew6UuupKmcBAuvZz=DwNxgO4xe-BA97Fmbj-bYA@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
http://www.dk1tb.de/indexeng.htm
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM, John / NS1Z <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I guess I am alittle blind. Have been to AMSAT UK, NA and DL ? can?t seem
> to find 12.8.c upgrade program.
>
> Would someone send me the update URL?
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 19:08:59 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "John / NS1Z" <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Update 12.8.B tp 12.8.C
Message-ID:
<CAEMY9FceEsqO6+s1HS-5dgpVP6DSAmLbmYwNX+nXH9HBE1sNGg@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
John,
It's right here http://www.dk1tb.de/downloadeng.htm
Dave-KB1PVH
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 6:32 PM, John / NS1Z <ns1zjohn@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I guess I am alittle blind. Have been to AMSAT UK, NA and DL ? can?t seem
> to find 12.8.c upgrade program.
>
> Would someone send me the update URL?
>
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 16:13:11 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Glen Zook'" <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>, "'Thomas Doyle'"
<tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lessons I learned the hard way
Message-ID: <001a01cf6e37$bfc21ce0$3f4656a0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Good story, Glen
...the days when American industry actually 'made things'
Must have been a fun place to work
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Glen Zook
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:49 PM
To: Thomas Doyle; AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Lessons I learned the hard way
A number of companies, in which upper management have been engineers, suffer
from the fact that most engineers are not completely satisfied when products
are released.
When I went to work for the Collins Radio Company, right out of college at
the "new" corporate headquarters in Richardson, Texas, Art Collins had a
very bad habit of coming up with minor production changes to equipment being
manufactured and insisting that these changes be made before the equipment
shipped to the customer. ?Then, before all those changes had been made, he
would come up with still other changes. ?This caused no equipment being
shipped and, therefore, no income to the company.
To get around Art's changes, every division had an "Art project" to keep him
occupied and away from equipment that was really intended to ship to
customers. ?The "Art project" items were never intended to ship. ?But, by
keeping him away from the real production, equipment was being shipped and
there was income to the company.
?
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:57 AM, Thomas Doyle <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
When I was a young engineer working for Motorola Communication Division in
Chicago I recall a meeting where the engineers met with upper level
management on the release to production of a UHF mobile radio. Each engineer
had some additional tests they wanted to perform before it was released to
production and out of our hands. After listening to our concerns for a
fairly long time he said - "If it was up to you engineers we would never
release anything to production and we would have nothing to sell and we
would not have any money to pay you with". Never forgot that.
Any engineer worthy of his salt is never 100% sure about anything that is
going into an environment they can not control. The problem comes in when
there is suddenly more time to do additional testing and the time is used to
try out fun exciting new things rather than the much less interesting and
often boring testing and refining the existing product. I do hope the hard
working FOX crew takes advantage of the time they have been given to make
sure everything is right with the good work they have done rather than
trying out some new fun interesting things that could wind up flying without
adequate testing. We need something that works not necessarily the latest
trendy technology gadget. I have seen this happen with unpleasant results in
other non-AMSAT projects. In any event thanks to the Fox crew for their hard
work.
W9KE Tom Doyle
_______________________________________________
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Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
_______________________________________________
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Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 02:13:01 +0200
From: Andre <sats@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] DMARC bounces
Message-ID: <5371638D.4020503@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Ever sinds yahoo.com has changed their DMARC setting to p=reject a lot
of mailing list including this one have been having problems.
In short the setting yahoo.com changed causes a lot of mail servers to
send a bounce message when they recieve an email from a yahoo.com user
trough a mailing list.
This in return results in not only lost messages but also mailing list
putting users on hold for the bounce message thinking the email adress
is nolonger able to recieve the emails.
A quick fix for this is to stop using yahoo.com email adresses to send
messages on mailing list like this one that use mailman.
73 de Andre PE1RDW
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 20:38:29 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FOX News
Message-ID: <130semald7760S05.1399941509@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
John AG9D wrote:
>The way I read it was that with Tonys passing and the appointment of new
>team leadership, it gives additional time to check and double check.
The launch delay has no connection with Tony's passing, it is due to the US
Government juggling the launch sequence of the primary payloads.
W9KE Tom Doyle wrote:
>The problem comes in when there is suddenly more time to do additional
testing
>and the time is used to try out fun exciting new things rather than the much
less
>interesting and often boring testing and refining the existing product. I
>do hope the hard working FOX crew takes advantage of the time they have
>been given to make sure everything is right with the good work they have
>done rather than trying out some new fun interesting things that could wind
>up flying without adequate testing.
The first order of business for the FOX team is to deliver the first satellite
to the launch authority on time. It is way too late to be making any
substantial changes to the FOX-1 satellite unless testing uncovers a serious
design flaw. There will be time for new, fun and interesting things on the
next satellite in the series. The overall intention is to build and launch an
ongoing series of FOX satellites any time a launch slot becomes available,
with each one being a little better, more fun and interesting, than the
previous one.
73, Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 19:47:53 -0500
From: Floyd Rodgers <kc5qbc@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: Andre <sats@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>, AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DMARC bounces
Message-ID: <53716BB9.4000700@xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
The problem is actually a bit larger than just yahoo addresses, it seems
to be any domain that yahoo actually hosts.
It seems the problem is caused by the listserver not sending emails as
itself, but instead it sends email as the user that sent the email, but
from a different server than the original sender. That is what yahoo
servers detect and reject based on my reading of their info at
http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 20:50:52 -0400
From: Joe Fitzgerald <jfitzgerald@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DMARC bounces
Message-ID: <53716C6C.7030008@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Thanks for the note, Andre.
Unfortunately, the various options we have at our disposal to deal with
the new policies at Gmail, AOL and Yahoo are somewhat problematic.
See
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC
-Joe KM1P
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 17:10:20 -0400
From: "Marc Tessier - VE3TES" <ve3tes@xxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satpc32 and auto select
Message-ID: <6A10D41A45F14B0EA57B2FCB43684F08@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have been playing around with my USB Dongle and attempting to get a
automated weather satellite operation automated, I see there is the option
to allow for automatic satellite selection, But for some reason I can not
get it to function, I still have to manually click on the satellite listing
at the bottom right of screen to get my software to switch to that sat.
Here is a run down of all software I am trying to use.
SDR Sharp
DDE Tracking client installed and operational
Sat PC32 v 12.8b
WXtoImg ver 2.10.11
Ultimately I would like to have satpc32 setup with just the 3 operational
weather satellites, and have the software track the satellite as it comes
into view with out any or much intervention on my part. But as it stands now
I still have to manually select the sat as it comes over head. even though I
have auto select check marked and multiple satellites also...
If you have done this I would love to hear from you on or off the lest...
Regards,
Marc Tessier - VE3TES
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 21:05:47 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: 'AMSAT BoD' <bod@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Bod] FOX News
Message-ID: <003b01cf6e4f$dbb90040$932b00c0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Barry mentioned (originally in his March/April Apogee View column in
the AMSAT Journal and later relayed via an AMSAT News Service
bulletin) that:
> ... it also means that we have more time to complete and test
> the spacecraft prior to delivery to SRI. In the overall scheme
> of things, it allows AMSAT to have greater confidence in the
> delivery of a thoroughly tested spacecraft by taking more time
> to allow for unforeseen contingencies and to do the ground
> testing.
Clint seems worried and sent a divisive opinion that:
> You mean we were going to launch a project that was NOT already
> thoroughly tested? ... but this paragraph plainly states that
> AMSAT might not have been able to provide a stable satellite to
> the launch site on time anyway. It states that AMSAT might not
> be as confident with a 2014 launch as they will be for a 2015
> launch. What was written states that the satellite is not ready
> for a 2014 launch.
Nowhere in the NRO discussion of candidate payloads scheduling for
GRACE/L-55 or the ULTRASAT/AFSPC-5 missions did Barry suggest we
cannot finish building or testing to be ready. Rather, having more
time means more opportunities for testing rather than simply placing
the satellite on the shelf. One AMSAT member noted about getting ready
for first-flight on a new aircraft, "We ran tests until the engines
lit up and they rolled down the runway."
It is in this spirit that Barry's observation needs to be understood.
It is important to note:
Fox-1 is actually manifested on a launch as Barry states. We are not
hoping to find a rocket for Fox-1. We are already chosen. This seats
AMSAT as a member of the launch team with the other payloads. This is
why AMSAT receives specific launch scheduling information.
AMSAT Vice President Engineering, Jerry Buxton, N0JY is our
representative and receives direct input from the USAF and NASA
regarding flight schedules and vehicle requirements. This information
has been shared with AMSAT members when key facts are firmed up. This
also means that the launch cost for Fox-1 will be paid for by NASA
once we deliver the satellite by the stipulated deadline. Keeping our
members and supporters in the loop with verifiable dates and data is
the spirit in which this information is shared. Unfortunately some
envision an opportunity to scheme an attack by not including the
complete context of the discussion.
In the aerospace industry key milestones to ensure delivery of stable
systems that meet design requirements are documented in the form of
design reviews and flight readiness reviews. AMSAT is following the
same review process. The launch schedule changes by the National
Reconnaissance Office - Office of Space Launch means that we have new
dates that we have to meet their review and integration requirements.
This has been shared openly with our members and supporters.
AMSAT VP-Engineering Jerry Buxton, N0JY will be a speaker at the AMSAT
Forum at this weekend's Hamvention and will discuss the status of
Fox-1, the engineering timeline, launch schedule, and provide some
thoughts on the development of the Fox-2 class satellites. The AMSAT
Forum is scheduled to take place in Forum Room 5 on Saturday from
1115-1330.
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
Editor, AMSAT Journal
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 19:50:16 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FOX News
Message-ID: <AFA5FCFE-FF29-4F08-B5A5-0EB3351BB6F9@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
I did not mean to be hostile, JoAnne. I was just alarmed when I saw the
statement ...
" ... it also means that we have more time to complete and test the
spacecraft prior
to delivery ... "
... and read it literally. The wording is such that an English major would
see it as
describing an incomplete, not-thoroughly tested project was being discussed.
I think we have to agree that the wording of that statement is, well,
subject to
different interpretations - and could/should have been better edited.
Clint
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