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Today's Topics:
1. Re: status (Michael)
2. Re: Suggestions for "I want a HEO" (Lizeth Norman)
3. K4AMG Youth and OSCAR Forum at Frost Fest (Rich/wa4bue)
4. Re: Suggestions for "I want a HEO" (Michael)
5. Re: status (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
6. Re: status (Michael)
7. Re: status (Burns Fisher)
8. Re: status/rant (R.T.Liddy)
9. Re: status/rant (Michael)
10. Re: status (Lee Maisel)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:39:48 -0500
From: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status
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Patrick asked.....
We're listening... what do you suggest? Sophisticated home stations like
what you described in an earlier post don't work well for those of us at
hamfests or other events, even if we have videos that can show that off.
The sophisticated home station may even scare off some, who fear that it
would take a lot of time - and more $$$ - to get on the satellites.
Well I don't know but it seems like to me that same handheld antenna
mounted on a tripod and using small DC motors to track the satellite
in both the azimuth and elevation planes ( something like Mark Spencers
latest creation) along with full blown doppler correction being provided
along with it from some type of "black box" transceiver and/or
interface which was assembled from a reasonably inexpensive kit and is
being run by an iphone , droid or tablet with an app or possibly by a
laptop and the whole shebang being powered from a reasonable sized
cluster of li poly batteries is much more impressive than a guy with an
HT pointing an antenna in the air with his hand. IMO that also would
not seem unattainable and monetarily out of reach to the average joe
ham who has somewhat bothered to keep up with the technology available
to him or her today. I know I would love such a system. You could also
have a demonstration of the simpler hand held station going and let
people make up their own mind which had more appeal and "cool" factor.
My idea isn't so complex that it overwhelms but is not so simple that it
totally takes away the "wow" factor either.
Unfortunately, I can dream such a system up but don't have the technical
savvy to bring it to fruition. I wish I did. I could build it from a
kit if the SMD's were kept to 1205 size and larger. I find hand
soldering anything smaller a bit difficult. Think of the fundraising
abilities of such a " black box system" as well...... Anyway...I got to
run and perform some family obligations, you asked the question so I
thought I'd do my best to answer it...
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:44:39 -0500
From: Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Suggestions for "I want a HEO"
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Clayton,
That implies action. Whiny type shout loud, do little.
Don't let the idiots get you down.
Norm
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> I'd like to propose some alternatives to the whiney "I want a HEO" BB
> emails:
>
> - Write up your vision for how a HEO linear transponder might be
> constructed and launched. AMSAT-NA is always looking for articles.
>
> - Share with us your plan for obtaining the funds necessary to launch
> a HEO linear transponder
>
> - Publish a paper with your technical design for a next generation HEO
>
> - Designate part of your estate towards the launch funds of a HEO
>
> - Participate in the various AMSAT-related in-person forums worldwide
> discussing this issue
>
> - Contribute your engineering expertise to current goals so that
> future technologies can be discovered through one of the many ongoing
> satellite projects throughout the world
>
> The best part about the above suggestions is all but one require no
> money, perfect for most hams who want to complain but never open a
> wallet when there is a need. It's also worth noting that you don't
> have to be a member of an organization to contribute, though it is
> often beneficial in my humble opinion.
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:13:40 -0500
From: "Rich/wa4bue" <richard.siff@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] K4AMG Youth and OSCAR Forum at Frost Fest
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Saturday February 1, 2014 at 11 AM local time K4AMG MARC, Inc. will be
presenting a Forum on Youth, Amateur Radio Activities and OSCAR Satellites
at FrostFest in Richmond, VA.
Join us at our tables and at the forum.
We have 2 major BOAT ANCHORS for sale as part of our fund raiser: ( Both
reworked by W3HM, Harold Mills )
* 75A1 Collins
* R 390 Collins
K4AMG sales go towards our youth programs.
Visit us at K4AMG.org
God Bless
Rich
W4BUE
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:33:19 -0500
From: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Suggestions for "I want a HEO"
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As if you and Clayton are doing anything other than sitting on your high
horses judging other people for daring to ask a question or offer a
differing point of view..... Talk about whining....And no I don't let
people like you get me down.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 1/26/2014 3:44 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote:
> Clayton,
> That implies action. Whiny type shout loud, do little.
> Don't let the idiots get you down.
> Norm
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Clayton Coleman
<kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>wrote:
>
>> I'd like to propose some alternatives to the whiney "I want a HEO" BB
>> emails:
>>
>> - Write up your vision for how a HEO linear transponder might be
>> constructed and launched. AMSAT-NA is always looking for articles.
>>
>> - Share with us your plan for obtaining the funds necessary to launch
>> a HEO linear transponder
>>
>> - Publish a paper with your technical design for a next generation HEO
>>
>> - Designate part of your estate towards the launch funds of a HEO
>>
>> - Participate in the various AMSAT-related in-person forums worldwide
>> discussing this issue
>>
>> - Contribute your engineering expertise to current goals so that
>> future technologies can be discovered through one of the many ongoing
>> satellite projects throughout the world
>>
>> The best part about the above suggestions is all but one require no
>> money, perfect for most hams who want to complain but never open a
>> wallet when there is a need. It's also worth noting that you don't
>> have to be a member of an organization to contribute, though it is
>> often beneficial in my humble opinion.
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:48:28 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status
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Michael,
Thanks for the quick and calm response.
>
Well I don't know but it seems like to me that same
>
handheld antenna mounted on a tripod and using small
>
DC motors to track the satellite in both the azimuth
>
and elevation planes ( something like Mark Spencers
>
latest creation) along with full blown doppler correction
>
being provided along with it from some type of "black
>
box" transceiver and/or interface which was assembled
>
from a reasonably inexpensive kit and is being run by an
>
iphone , droid or tablet with an app or possibly by a
>
laptop and the whole shebang being powered from a
>
reasonable sized cluster of li poly batteries is much
>
more impressive than a guy with an HT pointing an antenna
>
in the air with his hand.
That may be the case, but that - like beauty - is in the
eye of the beholder.
I was expecting to see a response with something that
hadn't already been proposed, but this is something
more than just saying that we need to do something
different without finishing that thought.
Mark Spencer, a long-time satellite operator, has done
a lot for this corner of our hobby. He's also an all-
around good guy. :-)
>
IMO that also would not seem unattainable and monetarily
>
out of reach to the average joe ham who has somewhat
>
bothered to keep up with the technology available to him
>
or her today. I know I would love such a system. You
>
could also have a demonstration of the simpler hand held
>
station going and let people make up their own mind which
>
had more appeal and "cool" factor. My idea isn't so
>
complex that it overwhelms but is not so simple that it
>
totally takes away the "wow" factor either.
Agreed. Mark Spencer's idea (using his WRAPS rotator) is
cool. When it becomes available, I will probably buy one
and incorporate that as part of my hamfest demonstration
station - which will also be motivation to finally use
SatPC32 to control my FT-817NDs. I may not use the rotator
when I go out to unusual locations to put them on the air,
but it will be interesting to see those rotators in action.
I saw one at the AMSAT Symposium where he gave a presentation
about it (a video of that is on my YouTube channel), and
I like it.
What others perceive as "cool" depends on what they are
looking for. Some like the hi-tech setups, others like the
simpler setups, and some like both.
I think John K8YSE has
written an article about his remote-controlled satellite
stations that will appear in an upcoming AMSAT Journal, as
an example that might closer approach what you're looking
for. John may not be using SDR radios as is your preference,
but he now has two complete satellite stations he can operate
when sitting in front of the radios, or from anywhere he has
Internet access. Then there are hams like me who are pushing
the limits with a simpler and very portable station - yet
have opportunities to experiment by trying different station
components (different antennas, radios, etc.) without
breaking the bank.
Living in a rental house in an HOA-controlled area, I can't
put up antennas on the house or property. I can stay active
using my portable gear and have a fully-functional station
for satellite operating, even if it is at the opposite end
of the spectrum from what you are interested in. And I'm
having fun doing this. Maybe I need to go to a support
group... "Hi, my name is Patrick, and I enjoy working
satellites and doing demonstrations at hamfests with a
simple station." Or am I in one right here? :-)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:48:20 -0500
From: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status
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Probably no one is going to believe me but I actually had an inkling for
an idea similar to Mark's rotator system awhile back. On one of my few
attempts at portable sat ops, back in the days of AO-51 I remember
thinking, "this is too much work" and thinking it would not be that hard
to automate the small antenna tracking with DC motors. Since my
homebrew SAEBRTrack tracking box uses a BASIC STAMP to control Orion
OR-360 TV rotators which run on DC and change direction by switching
polarity , this seemed entirely "doable" at the time. Unfortunately I'm
more of a dreamer than a doer sometimes and I didn't pursue the idea. My
latest attempts at a budget SDR receive solution using and RTL dongle
and homebrew filters to combat desense have met the same lack of
motivation lately.....
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 1/26/2014 4:48 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the quick and calm response.
>
> Well I don't know but it seems like to me that same
> handheld antenna mounted on a tripod and using small
> DC motors to track the satellite in both the azimuth
> and elevation planes ( something like Mark Spencers
> latest creation) along with full blown doppler correction
> being provided along with it from some type of "black
> box" transceiver and/or interface which was assembled
> from a reasonably inexpensive kit and is being run by an
> iphone , droid or tablet with an app or possibly by a
> laptop and the whole shebang being powered from a
> reasonable sized cluster of li poly batteries is much
> >
> more impressive than a guy with an HT pointing an antenna
> in the air with his hand.
>
> That may be the case, but that - like beauty - is in the
> eye of the beholder.
>
> I was expecting to see a response with something that
> hadn't already been proposed, but this is something
> more than just saying that we need to do something
> different without finishing that thought.
>
> Mark Spencer, a long-time satellite operator, has done
> a lot for this corner of our hobby. He's also an all-
> around good guy. :-)
>
>
> IMO that also would not seem unattainable and monetarily
> out of reach to the average joe ham who has somewhat
> bothered to keep up with the technology available to him
> or her today. I know I would love such a system. You
> could also have a demonstration of the simpler hand held
> station going and let people make up their own mind which
> had more appeal and "cool" factor. My idea isn't so
> complex that it overwhelms but is not so simple that it
> totally takes away the "wow" factor either.
>
> Agreed. Mark Spencer's idea (using his WRAPS rotator) is
> cool. When it becomes available, I will probably buy one
> and incorporate that as part of my hamfest demonstration
> station - which will also be motivation to finally use
> SatPC32 to control my FT-817NDs. I may not use the rotator
> when I go out to unusual locations to put them on the air,
> but it will be interesting to see those rotators in action.
> I saw one at the AMSAT Symposium where he gave a presentation
> about it (a video of that is on my YouTube channel), and
> I like it.
>
> What others perceive as "cool" depends on what they are
> looking for. Some like the hi-tech setups, others like the
> simpler setups, and some like both.
> I think John K8YSE has
> written an article about his remote-controlled satellite
> stations that will appear in an upcoming AMSAT Journal, as
> an example that might closer approach what you're looking
> for. John may not be using SDR radios as is your preference,
> but he now has two complete satellite stations he can operate
> when sitting in front of the radios, or from anywhere he has
> Internet access. Then there are hams like me who are pushing
> the limits with a simpler and very portable station - yet
> have opportunities to experiment by trying different station
> components (different antennas, radios, etc.) without
> breaking the bank.
>
> Living in a rental house in an HOA-controlled area, I can't
> put up antennas on the house or property. I can stay active
> using my portable gear and have a fully-functional station
> for satellite operating, even if it is at the opposite end
> of the spectrum from what you are interested in. And I'm
> having fun doing this. Maybe I need to go to a support
> group... "Hi, my name is Patrick, and I enjoy working
> satellites and doing demonstrations at hamfests with a
> simple station." Or am I in one right here? :-)
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:00:23 -0500
From: Burns Fisher <burns@xxxxxx.xx>
To: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status
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Here is my few cents worth:
My perspective is as someone who has always been interested in space,
satellites, etc, as well as the down-and-dirty parts of the techno-marvels.
I'm also someone who played with a Part15 broadcast band transmitter as a
kid, always assumed I would be a ham someday, but somehow never quite got
my ticket till a few years ago. And finally I'm volunteering for AMSAT as
a flight software developer. (Cool! I'm doing something that will go into
orbit!!!!!!)
I think we ALL need to remember (AMSAT leadership, AMSAT members and
volunteers, and BB contributors who are none of the above) that we cater to
a very diverse crowd of users. But that one particular group is closely
tied to both part of AMSAT's mission and to our way of getting a ride to
orbit; that group is STEM students and educators. And even that group is
diverse since we are talking about Kindergarten through college! But let's
talk about the middle-to-high school crowd. They (and their teachers) are
less interested in the mechanics of making a ground station work, and more
interested in the data they can get: Telemetry, doppler (yes, you CAN
certainly see and measure doppler on an FM bird, even though you don't need
to correct very much), signal strength vs distance, orbit prediction (even
if it is only 'we can hear the satellite when we predicted that we could).
So these guys want inexpensive and hands off (unless the hands are part of
the experiment and pointing a handheld would be kind of cool for some of
them too).
Then we have "young" (i.e. new) hams like me. (Not young in age
necessarily :-) My MO for learning something is to start off simple and
work on more and more sophisticated. For example, I started listening to
sats with an HT/rubber ducky. Then I upgraded to a Kenwood station with a
couple of omni antennas, one homebrew. Then I added the Funcube Dongle.
I'd love to build a beam with a rotators, but first I want to build
another homebrew omni which I will try in my attic. Etc etc.
And finally (and I'm sure I have missed some 'stakeholders') we have the
far more sophisticated guy like some of you who want to build more and more
complex stuff in order to do more and more complex things. I'll include
those who want to have more time to talk (HEO), and who want more channels
and more doppler correction (linear) in this group. By the way, this is
partly true for the builders too...a software define transmitter would be
FUN! I understand! I really do!
Now to the next step: we don't have a satellite if we don't have a ride to
orbit. For getting a ride, it seems that Cubesats have by far the most
available launch slots these days, so we need to figure out how to build a
cubesat. Further, we STILL need to get some sort of grant to cover the
launch costs. The way we are doing that is by catering to the educational
group, at least in some form. It happens the way we are catering to the
first group is probably good for the second group too, at least for a
while. We don't want to ignore the third group either, but it's hard (read
takes longer, and more $$) to build a single satellite that keeps everyone
happy, especially when we are also learning as we go how to write grants,
partner with educational institutions, and build a cubesat. So as Jerry
said, we decided first to replace Echo/AO51 with another FM bird, in the
meantime learning about the technology required for cubesats, writing
grants, etc. Again for reasons Jerry said, we have at least two Fox-1
satellites in the pipeline. Admittedly these are not doing much to help
group 3, but there a lot more linears up there than there are FMs, so it's
a good place to start.
We hope to take advantage of what we have learned for Fox-1 to do Fox-2
(maybe we should call it Golf instead of Fox-2 to avoid confusion) as a
software defined radio probably with a linear transponder. Maybe multiple
modes...who knows, it has not been defined yet! No one thinks that we
should NOT look for more fun, fancier, harder, etc project. We just know
that we had to move back on the learning curve in the new cubesat world and
*get something up there* to try, experiment with, and most importantly show
potential partners and fund sources that we can do it!
If you actually read this long piece, thank you. I only ask that everyone
understand that we can't keep everyone happy with a single satellite, and
that it takes years for AMSAT to build a satellite. That means that we
won't be talking about a new type for a while. Since ARISSat, you have only
heard about Fox-1 because that is the current thing that we are working on,
and it takes up most of our mindshare. It does not mean that is all that
we care about! Please cut us a break before attributing motivations and
future plans to us. And by "us" I mean developers, members and (though I
am not one of these) AMSAT leadership.
Thanks and 73,
Burns Fisher, W2BFJ
AMSAT President's Club Member
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Patrick asked.....
>
> We're listening... what do you suggest? Sophisticated home stations like
> what you described in an earlier post don't work well for those of us at
> hamfests or other events, even if we have videos that can show that off.
> The sophisticated home station may even scare off some, who fear that it
> would take a lot of time - and more $$$ - to get on the satellites.
>
> Well I don't know but it seems like to me that same handheld antenna
> mounted on a tripod and using small DC motors to track the satellite in
> both the azimuth and elevation planes ( something like Mark Spencers latest
> creation) along with full blown doppler correction being provided along
> with it from some type of "black box" transceiver and/or interface which
> was assembled from a reasonably inexpensive kit and is being run by an
> iphone , droid or tablet with an app or possibly by a laptop and the whole
> shebang being powered from a reasonable sized cluster of li poly batteries
> is much more impressive than a guy with an HT pointing an antenna in the
> air with his hand. IMO that also would not seem unattainable and
> monetarily out of reach to the average joe ham who has somewhat bothered
> to keep up with the technology available to him or her today. I know I
> would love such a system. You could also have a demonstration of the
> simpler hand held station going and let people make up their own mind which
> had more appeal and "cool" factor. My idea isn't so complex that it
> overwhelms but is not so simple that it totally takes away the "wow" factor
> either.
> Unfortunately, I can dream such a system up but don't have the technical
> savvy to bring it to fruition. I wish I did. I could build it from a kit
> if the SMD's were kept to 1205 size and larger. I find hand soldering
> anything smaller a bit difficult. Think of the fundraising abilities of
> such a " black box system" as well...... Anyway...I got to run and perform
> some family obligations, you asked the question so I thought I'd do my best
> to answer it...
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:03:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status/rant
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Michael,
?
Thanks for labeling me and tons of other Hams as IDIOTS for participating
in an aspect of Amateur Radio that WE ENJOY! You have a LOT of apologizing
to do!!!
?
Here's a suggestion for you. Do what you like and let everyone do what they
like
without being called viles names in front of the entire World.
?
73,??? Bob? K8BL?? (AMSAT Member since 1979)?
From: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:48 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status
I wasn't going to touch this? as I've made my opinion about P3-E known
before but I can't be silent about some other things.? I don't believe it
will ever fly because of the economic realities of today's world but hey,
stranger things have happened.? Cubesats seem to be the wave of the future
as they are more affordable to get launched but if you ask me we are still
going in the wrong direction with them in a couple of areas. AMSAT seems to
be bent and determined to keep building and flying FM repeaters even when
ground based FM repeaters are slowly falling into disuse? and projects like
Funcube AO-73 are showing how viable linear transponder cubesats are. There
also seems to be some continued fascination with showing how we can all
stand out in the frigid cold or the blazing sun balancing an HT in one hand
and a handheld yagi in the other to work the flying repeaters....... YAWN!!!
The novelty of that has worn off just as quickly as it did on
exchanging nothing but grid squares and calls? and calling it a sat QSO.
The focus not only needs to be on more linear transponder cubesats and
developing? new and efficient ways to communicate with them but also on
developing affordable ground equipment? like complete SDR transceiver
systems along the lines of the funcube dongle except maybe abandoning the
"dongle" concept and going more with a desktop "black box" approach. A
computer driven SDR base station with tracking and doppler correction and
digital and CW as well as voice mode communication is infinitely more
interesting to me than? seeing some idiot balancing an antenna and an HT at
a hamfest. Just my opinion.... That and five bucks will get you a fancy
Starbucks coffee blend but I had to put it out there!
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 1/25/2014 2:44 PM, i8cvs wrote:
> Hi John, W0JAB
>
> At the moment there is no hope to see again a satellite like AO40
>
> If we are like in the future probably we will see P3E, a satellite
> similar to OSCAR-13 built by AMSAT-DL
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:01 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] status
>
>
>> Whats the status of a replacement for the likes of AO 40?
>>
>> I know I ask this from time to time but never seem to see anything.
>>
>> I for one would very much like to see this type the a boat load
>> of small FM only type while there is still a place to park one.
>>
>> John, W0JAB
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:32:56 -0500
From: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status/rant
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UGHHHHHH!!! It was poor choice of words while trying to express my
overwhelming frustration with the seeming "status quo of satellite
operation" and it's already been apologized for TWICE!! I suppose none
of you have ever chosen words less than wisely when you were frustrated
about something. So go ahead and label me as the bad guy because I
think we should be striving for something more than trying to show
everyone how "easy" it is to operate sats. Again, if you actually
enjoy juggling an antenna , HT and a speaker mic with only two hands
then more power to you. I think that's too much like work and would
much rather operate from the comfort of my shack but even if I were
going to operate out on my back deck, I'd rather do it with a small
table and a laptop and a tripod with a small motorized tracking system
controlling the antenna.
And for the record, I came to an understanding about the realities of
HEO launches and the lack of them probably long before some of you did
and am all for the current movement towards LEO cubesats. I just don't
want them all to be flying repeaters and would like to see a little
technical savvy and challenge remain in operating them.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
On 1/26/2014 6:03 PM, R.T.Liddy wrote:
> Michael,
> Thanks for labeling me and tons of other Hams as IDIOTS for participating
> in an aspect of Amateur Radio that WE ENJOY! You have a LOT of apologizing
> to do!!!
> Here's a suggestion for you. Do what *you* like and let everyone do
> what *they* like
> without being called viles names in front of the entire World.
> 73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT Member since 1979)
>
> *From:* Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> *To:* amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:48 AM
> *Subject:* [amsat-bb] Re: status
>
> I wasn't going to touch this as I've made my opinion about P3-E known
> before but I can't be silent about some other things. I don't believe
> it will ever fly because of the economic realities of today's world
> but hey, stranger things have happened. Cubesats seem to be the wave
> of the future as they are more affordable to get launched but if you
> ask me we are still going in the wrong direction with them in a couple
> of areas. AMSAT seems to be bent and determined to keep building and
> flying FM repeaters even when ground based FM repeaters are slowly
> falling into disuse and projects like Funcube AO-73 are showing how
> viable linear transponder cubesats are. There also seems to be some
> continued fascination with showing how we can all stand out in the
> frigid cold or the blazing sun balancing an HT in one hand and a
> handheld yagi in the other to work the flying repeaters....... YAWN!!!
> The novelty of that has worn off just as quickly as it did on
> exchanging nothing but grid squares and calls and calling it a sat
> QSO. The focus not only needs to be on more linear transponder
> cubesats and developing new and efficient ways to communicate with
> them but also on developing affordable ground equipment like complete
> SDR transceiver systems along the lines of the funcube dongle except
> maybe abandoning the "dongle" concept and going more with a desktop
> "black box" approach. A computer driven SDR base station with tracking
> and doppler correction and digital and CW as well as voice mode
> communication is infinitely more interesting to me than seeing some
> idiot balancing an antenna and an HT at a hamfest. Just my opinion....
> That and five bucks will get you a fancy Starbucks coffee blend but I
> had to put it out there!
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 1/25/2014 2:44 PM, i8cvs wrote:
> > Hi John, W0JAB
> >
> > At the moment there is no hope to see again a satellite like AO40
> >
> > If we are like in the future probably we will see P3E, a satellite
> > similar to OSCAR-13 built by AMSAT-DL
> >
> > 73" de
> >
> > i8CVS Domenico
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <mailto:w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>>
> > To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx <mailto:amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:01 PM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] status
> >
> >
> >> Whats the status of a replacement for the likes of AO 40?
> >>
> >> I know I ask this from time to time but never seem to see anything.
> >>
> >> I for one would very much like to see this type the a boat load
> >> of small FM only type while there is still a place to park one.
> >>
> >> John, W0JAB
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:33:56 -0700
From: Lee Maisel <maisel@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: status
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Bored? Let's put up a Broadband Hamnet (HSMM-MESH) node! That would
be pretty darned cool.
Lee
W5LMM
On 1/26/2014 12:25 PM, Michael wrote:
> If you will bother to read the rest of the post , you will see where I
> apologized for the comment. It was a poor choice of words but I was
> trying to express my UTTER FRUSTRATION with this approach to trying to
> "sell" the concept of hamsats. You really think the average person
> who can whip out their I-phone or Droid and preform what would have
> been considered technological marvels a few short year ago is
> impressed with your HT and a handheld antenna working a sat to
> exchange a cryptic bit of information such as a callsign and a grid
> square? It may have been impressive ten years ago on even five years
> ago but it's old hat now. Autopatch on the repeater from your HT or
> mobile rig used to be impressive too but I think we agree it's an idea
> whose time is pretty much passed. If people enjoy that type of
> operation then more power to them. For me personally I was bored with
> it by the third time I tried it and I think there are better and more
> interesting ways to enjoy the sat hobby. I suggest a fresher more
> technologically savvy approach. I'm truly and sincerely sorry though
> if I hurt the feelings of outdoor portable sat ops enthusiast or the
> AMSAT volunteers who do such demos.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 1/26/2014 1:54 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
>> On Jan 26, 2014 1:20 PM, "Michael" <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> HI Jerry,
>> First of all, thank you for being civil. Nice change from the last
>> two
>> responses to my post.
>>
>> That's just a classic opening statement after insulting those that do
>> hamfest demonstrations with an HT and handheld antenna. Sounds like
>> you are
>> OK to dish it out, but can't take it when someone responds back with
>> a less
>> than civil attitude to your direct insult. Nice job!!
>>
>> Dave-KB1PVH
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR
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