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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Are you ready for the new satellites? (Clint Bradford)
2. NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Perry Klein)
3. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Clint Bradford)
4. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Jari Koivurinne)
5. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Clint Bradford)
6. Re: Are you ready for the new satellites? (Bryce Salmi)
7. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (John Becker)
8. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Doug Kuitula)
9. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Joe)
10. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiplestudent
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Alan)
11. Launch Time (DJ Nise)
12. PicoDragon (Nader Omer)
13. Re: Launch Time (B J)
14. Fifteen Years Of ISS (B J)
15. Re: Launch Time (george abbott)
16. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Clint Bradford)
17. Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM (Stu2)
18. Re: Launch Time (B J)
19. Re: AO-7 calibration (DeYoung James)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:13:05 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Are you ready for the new satellites?
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>> ... Are you ready for the new satellites? (PA3GUO)
Yes - no problem working ALL of the new birds in portable mode!
-one hand for the handheld beam antenna for RX
-one hand for the handheld beam antenna for TX
-one hand for the HT - uplinks
-one hand for the FT-817ND - downlinks
-one hand for the speaker-mic
-one hand holding an iOS device with sat pass info
-one hand for clipboard to write down callsigns as heard
-one hand with (of course!) my Fisher Space Pen(tm)
-one hand for the Pina Colada ...
WHAT A WEEK FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES!!!
Clint K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:46:59 -0500
From: Perry Klein <w3pk@xxxxx.xxx>
To: ANS Editor <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT-DC <amsat-dc@xxxxx.xxx>,
Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple
student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
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The NASA-TV schedule is showing that NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch
of multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM. The launch should be
visible along the East Coast since it's from Wallops Island.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:48:43 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
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That's 6:30PM Atlantic ... 3:30PM Pacific ...
Clint
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:04:50 -0000
From: "Jari Koivurinne" <jari.koivurinne@xxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <000401cee56a$fce1e5c0$f6a5b140$@xxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx>
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>
> That's 6:30PM Atlantic ... 3:30PM Pacific ...
>
> Clint
>
>
That's 11:30 UTC... ??
-jari oh3uw
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:12:36 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Jari Koivurinne <jari.koivurinne@xxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
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I apologize for being so U.S.-centric ...
Clint K6LCS
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:21:41 -0800
From: Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Are you ready for the new satellites?
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I definitely need to get a satellite station setup, you guys are making me
kick myself for being slow to do so! I've been super busy at work but
otherwise I'll eventually get there. Anyone with tips on setting up a nice
ground station in a city (Los Angeles,CA) in a town-house (with an HOA)
would be readily welcomed. I've heard several satellites with my handheld
arrow antenna and VX-8R but would definitely like a better solution.
I'll have to give these satellites a shot this weekend!
Bryce
KB1LQC
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> >> ... Are you ready for the new satellites? (PA3GUO)
>
> Yes - no problem working ALL of the new birds in portable mode!
>
> -one hand for the handheld beam antenna for RX
> -one hand for the handheld beam antenna for TX
> -one hand for the HT - uplinks
> -one hand for the FT-817ND - downlinks
> -one hand for the speaker-mic
> -one hand holding an iOS device with sat pass info
> -one hand for clipboard to write down callsigns as heard
> -one hand with (of course!) my Fisher Space Pen(tm)
> -one hand for the Pina Colada ...
>
> WHAT A WEEK FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES!!!
>
> Clint K6LCS
> http://www.work-sat.com
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:38:09 -0600
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <528BDA41.9000302@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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On 11/19/2013 3:04 PM, Jari Koivurinne wrote:
> That's 11:30 UTC... ??
>
> -jari oh3uw
>
There you go no confusion or even guessing daylight savings or not.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:37:20 -0500
From: "Doug Kuitula" <ka8qcu@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Perry Klein" <w3pk@xxxxx.xxx>, "ANS Editor" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>,
"AMSAT-DC" <amsat-dc@xxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <000801cee56f$8a6f3ec0$f4354b0c@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Great news. I'm going to be around Wallops Island for Thanksgiving and am
wondering if there is a visitors center at the facility.
73 de Doug KA8QCU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Perry Klein" <w3pk@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "ANS Editor" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>; "AMSAT-DC" <amsat-dc@xxxxx.xxx>;
"Amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 15:46
Subject: [amsat-bb] NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of multiple student
CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
> The NASA-TV schedule is showing that NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch
> of multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM. The launch should be
> visible along the East Coast since it's from Wallops Island.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:44:28 -0600
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <528BDBBC.9060601@xxx.xxx>
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23:30 UTC
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 11/19/2013 3:38 PM, John Becker wrote:
>
> On 11/19/2013 3:04 PM, Jari Koivurinne wrote:
>> That's 11:30 UTC... ??
>>
>> -jari oh3uw
>>
> There you go no confusion or even guessing daylight savings or not.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:15:10 -0600
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiplestudent CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <697F246F10364E2086D6653CEB4DA204@xxxxxx>
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Doug,
Bing, and yee shall find:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/visitorcenter/#.UoviGSf9VHQ
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
<-----Original Message-----
<From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
<[mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Doug Kuitula
<Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:37 PM
<To: Perry Klein; ANS Editor; AMSAT-DC; Amsat-bb
<Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch
<of multiplestudent CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
<
<Great news. I'm going to be around Wallops Island for
<Thanksgiving and am
<wondering if there is a visitors center at the facility.
<73 de Doug KA8QCU
<----- Original Message -----
<From: "Perry Klein" <w3pk@xxxxx.xxx>
<To: "ANS Editor" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>; "AMSAT-DC" <amsat-dc@xxxxx.xxx>;
<"Amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
<Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 15:46
<Subject: [amsat-bb] NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
<multiple student
<CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
<
<
<> The NASA-TV schedule is showing that NASA-TV coverage of
<tonight's launch
<> of multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM. The launch should be
<> visible along the East Coast since it's from Wallops Island.
<> _______________________________________________
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<the author.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:40:29 -0500
From: DJ Nise <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Launch Time
Message-ID: <BAY178-W9B5A94208E48D7F5B76138CE70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi all.
Earlier posts said the launch is scheduled for 18:30 EST.
This site says it's schedule for 19:30.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/home/index.html
Any clarification is appreciated.
Paul
KB1QYS
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:43:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Nader Omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] PicoDragon
Message-ID:
<1384901006.28520.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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very strong CW beacon heard 2215 UTC.
congratulation to? PicoDragon? team members
73's
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:49:03 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: DJ Nise <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Time
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On 11/19/13, DJ Nise <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Earlier posts said the launch is scheduled for 18:30 EST.
>
> This site says it's schedule for 19:30.
> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/home/index.html
>
> Any clarification is appreciated.
>
> Paul
> KB1QYS
That time appears to be correct, according to:
https://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
<snip>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:51:30 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fifteen Years Of ISS
Message-ID:
<CAP7QzkM1LSR01EJMrRibGb+miXzcp0914UTY94PPcQGuaQMSvg@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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http://moonandback.com/2013/11/19/the-international-space-station-turns-15/
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/11/19/catch-wave-celebrate-isss-15th-annivers
ary-twitter/
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:59:37 -0500
From: george abbott <ka1ajf@xxx.xxx>
To: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>, DJ Nise <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Time
Message-ID: <BLU180-W74ED86FBE0493DA0BF780F89E70@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Launch MAY have been put on hold due to problems with a transmitter at a
tracking site.W1GMA
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:49:03 +0000
> From: va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx
> To: kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx
> CC: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Time
>
> On 11/19/13, DJ Nise <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Earlier posts said the launch is scheduled for 18:30 EST.
> >
> > This site says it's schedule for 19:30.
> > http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/home/index.html
> >
> > Any clarification is appreciated.
> >
> > Paul
> > KB1QYS
>
> That time appears to be correct, according to:
>
> https://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
>
> <snip>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:00:25 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <D6C3A681-8409-4EA2-9A59-B326A14947B3@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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On right now ... one-hour hold ...
On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:44 PM, kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
Will NASA be streaming this on the Internet?
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:10:03 -0500
From: Stu2 <stu@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NASA-TV coverage of tonight's launch of
multiple student CubeSats begins at 6:30 PM
Message-ID: <528BFDDB.2040907@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 11/19/2013 07:00 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
> On right now ... one-hour hold ...
What does the "PT 1:00:00" mean? It's located in the lower right hand
corner of the live feed? Is that the "hold timer" in hours? When they
release the hold, do you think that means the launch will happen an hour
later?
>
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:44 PM, kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>
> Will NASA be streaming this on the Internet?
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:23:10 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: george abbott <ka1ajf@xxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Time
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 11/19/13, george abbott <ka1ajf@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Launch MAY have been put on hold due to problems with a transmitter at a
> tracking site.W1GMA
That's confirmed at:
http://spaceflightnow.com/minotaur/ors3/status.html
That site also is carrying the live feed. It looks like it'll go at 0115 UTC.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
<snip>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:22:45 -0800 (PST)
From: DeYoung James <deyoung_james@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 calibration
Message-ID:
<1384910565.9921.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Bob et al.
A paper, by the undersigned--of course,?on the variability of the
uplink/downlink frequency for AO-7 appeared in the AMSAT Journal Vol. 30,
No. 3, May/June 2007 p.23 - 26.? The bottom line is the LO in the spacecraft
is being affected by spacecraft temperature.? The spacecraft?temperature?is
related to the amount of time the spacecraft is in shadow/sunlight.?This
variability probably has always been there since the day it was launched and
was deemed acceptable back in 1974.??The frequency variation?appears in both
the transponder and the 2m beacon.?Up to 6-KHz of variation was observed
between full sun and maximum shadow time thru the transponder while?the 2m
beacon variation was around 2-KHz.? The fact that both varied with
spacecraft temperature shows?clearly it is an AO-7 contribution.
A second?paper concerning the solar array power actually used and
analyzed?the good high-speed RTTY telemetry that was transmitted by AO-7
during the March 2009 time frame, see AMSAT Journal ?Vol. 33, No. 1,
January/February 2010, p. 4 - 15. Now that the solar array is the only power
supply it is possible that voltage and current fluctuations do affect the
AO-7 LO but are likely dominant around the period of entering/leaving
sunlight?or when transponder loads are high.? When I operated AO-7 I
remember many passes where the CW ops?were pumping the passband which
possibly caused some frequency variations, along with the FM'ing, etc. but
are impossible measure or figure out.
To repeat, the dominate factor in the slow frequency variation over time is
spacecraft temperature.
I would recommend getting the two papers from somewhere to get the full
details rather than depending on the highly-condensed versions above.
Best regards, Jim, N8OQ (formerly KG4QWC)
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