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Today's Topics:
1. G5500/LVB Tracker question (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
2. Re: D STAR is here to stay (lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
3. Re: G5500/LVB Tracker question (Jim Jerzycke)
4. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Rich/wa4bue)
5. I am tired of D-star thread/argument (Tom Gentry)
6. Re: I am tired of D-star thread/argument (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
7. Re: I am tired of D-star thread/argument (Paul Stoetzer)
8. Call for Symposium Photos (JoAnne Maenpaa)
9. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Greg D)
10. FUNcube operations - was Re: I am tired of D-star
thread/argument (Graham Shirville)
11. FUNcube-1 Dashboard software "Premier Edition" just released
(Graham Shirville)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:02:48 -0500
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] G5500/LVB Tracker question
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For the second time in three years, the my az rotor on my G5500 has stopped
working. I bought it brand new and I'm using an Easy Rotor Controller for
an interface. I noticed that when the rotor is swinging around after
reaching its stop that every time SatPC32 sends an updated position to it,
it will stop for about a second and then start moving again. I'm not sure
if this repeated start-stop is causing the problem. Does the LVB Tracker do
the same thing?
Thanks
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:12:50 -0500
From: lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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Hi Gordon
I give you my answers in your text.
> Okay, sell it to me. What do you learn from DStar?
A lot:
A new communication digital protocol who make me contact the world while
driving my car and sending my GPS position (DGPRS) at the same
time like you do with APRS we both take a learning curve at the beginning
but DSTAR give you an always 100% interference/noise free audio
always within RF signal path limitation who can be overcome in part by using
more than 10 watts of output power. If a power limitation can
be a limiting factor for you due to the foundation licence this will give
you the an incentive to get the Intermediate Licence or the
Advanced Licence to overcome any limiting power issues. If you already get
your advance licence you are probably aware how effective a
DSTAR signal is compare to an analog signal but even with 10 watts you are
about 30KM from MB6ICS C DSTAR repeater and power should not be
an issue for you.
Here is a video testing FM versus D-STAR in weak signal path.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYhLtS-0gE
Aside of giving an incentive to discover some other side of amateur radio
like HF SSB transmission DSTAR can now be used on HF as many
other digital mode even on satellite you can just hear my first ever
recorded DSTAR transmission on AO-27 on my web page
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe.
The programming of a DSTAR radio is quite challendging but it is fascinating
how a digital encoding can make your signal travel all over
the world as an APRS signal do. It's not much different than programming an
aprs header but it gives you the possibility to some sort of
selective calling when you program your other station call sign letter lets
say in Australia and the Gateway system lets you contact him
instantanly with the same audio quality as a local station.
In an emergency situation the chat option is a very powerfull tool just see
this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--nSTCSO64
And some more info's regarding an emergency DSTAR station
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8dUJp0rc0g
>What's so fun about it? As far as I can see, it's a sealed box with no
real opportunity to experiment.
On this question i will anwer you first the reverse way eg: by a question.
Show and tell me in any modern type of transceiver how you
experiment and what you do for experimenting. In my own case i sometimes
open the casing for some very minor mods and all stops there. BTW
the DSTAR boxes are no more sealed than any other type of transceiver?
I still don't get your point here? And please defined what you find fun for
you in Ham Radio? HF qso's? Satellite QSO's? VHF/UHF direct
contact? Repeater rag chew? probably something else? Is it possible someone
only simply wants to talk on his sealed box? Do you talk in
your analog FM transceiver? or on your HF radio in ssb or CW? Do you have
fun doing that?
Could be this link can be of some sort of interest:
http://k7ve.org/blog/2010/06/converting-the-kenwood-tkr-820-to-use-with-d-star
/
And also just check this: one http://www.papasys.com/showthread.php?t=1418
> Being taken to court for building your own doesn't sound like a lot of fun
to me, although I guess you'd learn a lot about patent law.
No one yet has been taken to any court but when the time come for someone to
build any processor with a patent codec without permission
into a transceiver we will surely hear from the patent owner. My Icom 756
pro II is full of microprocessor and i never hear someone asking
Icom to disclose the coding in those chips.
Now lets ask the real question: What in the world an amateur radio operator
can be so disturb about a codec up to a point to losing sleep?
I think we are facing here the same argumenting when the CW requirement has
been waived to be able to obtain an amateur radio licence. The
last country who adjust his laws regarding DSTAR was France but many never
change a bit of their laws. If this codec proprietary issue is a
so great concern in the amateur radio world why any governing and
communication ruling body never act on this before?
If it's not open for all it's against amateur radio spirit!!! Don't mix open
communication protocol and proprietary codec. DSTAR is open
for all the AMBE codec is not eg: AMBE is used in D-STAR amateur radio
digital voice communications. It has met criticism from amateur
radio community because the nature of its patent and licensing runs counter
to the openness of amateur radio, as well as usage restriction
for being "undisclosed digital code" under FCC rule 97.309(b) and similar
national legislation .
IMPORTANT WORDS:
Openness of amateur radio: Yes DSTAR is an open mode any hams can use it.
"undisclosed digital code" under FCC rule 97.309(b) and similar national
legislation: If any enough legal ground ever existed as i said
surely someone should have been acting on it long time ago.
Just bear in mind law is often behind technology.
I'm using DSTAR every day with icom and non icom gear and there is more and
more non Icom device who appears on the market probably one day
someone will develop a non icom chip with this infamous protected codec who
seems to offend some OFFENDED virgin.
There is a big YES for: telephone, Iphone, Ipad and so on communicating
devices who offer as much and much more communicating capabilities
than what we have on amateur radio. I believe an HEO amateur satellite is
the way to go LEO are not a sustainable way to go but i respect
those who work on LEO i personnaly make a lot of contact on them. I don't
like fox hunt but i respect those who enjoy to play hide and seek
that's what they like on Ham Radio. And YES I can have an unlimited
conversation with ZELLO on my I phone but i'm still making QSO'S on the
air.
What we don't hear often now is the argumenting about Ham radio contact
through the internet is not a valid contact for any certificate or
contest (Aside of a DSTAR contest...) Yes but should we scrap all our DSTAR
radio? Many complaints has been voice in the past about the
internet who was supposed to killed ham radio. Now we have a new
transmission mode who use internet to communicate with our radio but no
one speak about that!!! YES internet is and will be more and more a part of
ham radio like it or not and it enhance amateur radio actually.
There will be always pro and cons but Instead of argumenting about what ham
radio should be and what is not, why not concentrating on what
we like in this hobby. If you don't like it don't use it.
It was my answers to your questioning Gordon and i just hope it will help
others too.
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:34:13 +0000
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT -BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: G5500/LVB Tracker question
Message-ID: <5283E245.4060402@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Either control box will do what the program tells it to do.
SatPC32 will decide when to move the rotors, and issue the command to
the control box, using either of two different methods.
One method will be to move the rotors after a set time elapses, and the
other will move the rotors based upon how much the position of the
satellite changes.
Both of these methods have adjustable parameters, which are set under
the Setup/Rotor Setup/Optional Settings tabs reached from the tabs
located at the top of the screen.
The defaults are either 15 seconds per update, or 5 degrees per update.
Check your settings, and adjust as required.
73, Jim KQ6EA
On 11/13/2013 08:02 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
> For the second time in three years, the my az rotor on my G5500 has stopped
> working. I bought it brand new and I'm using an Easy Rotor Controller for
> an interface. I noticed that when the rotor is swinging around after
> reaching its stop that every time SatPC32 sends an updated position to it,
> it will stop for about a second and then start moving again. I'm not sure
> if this repeated start-stop is causing the problem. Does the LVB Tracker do
> the same thing?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:02:20 -0500
From: "Rich/wa4bue" <richard.siff@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Gordon JC Pearce" <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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We have a very conservative school system!
Hope we can get pictures from the ISS.
What are you using to receive the SSTV from the ISS?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon JC Pearce" <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:32 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:49:39PM -0500, Rich/wa4bue wrote:
>>
>> This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class.
>> By the way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not
>> suitable for the class room.
>>
>
> You know, they're teenagers. Whether or not you agree with what *some* (a
> small minority) of SSTVers transmit, I think there's a fair chance they've
> seen swimsuit pictures already.
>
> Good luck with getting the ISS to transmit any usable SSTV. The past few
> times it's all been a bit broken. Maybe we can devise a nice solid SSTV
> subsystem to take up?
>
> --
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:08:08 -0600
From: Tom Gentry <t.gentry@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] I am tired of D-star thread/argument
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I don't have it, don't want it, don't want to hear about it.
Lets talk about the new satellites going up.
Tom K5VOU
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> 1. Re: International Designators (Ken Ernandes)
> 2. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Joe)
> 3. Re: D STAR is here to stay (B J)
> 4. Re: D STAR is here to stay (R Oler)
> 5. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Rich/wa4bue)
> 6. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Gordon JC Pearce)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:34:30 -0500
> From: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: Graham Shirville <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: International Designators
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> It shouldn't disrupt systems. The specification for the international
designator allows for one to three (3) suffix characters (i.e., A through
ZZZ).
>
> 73, Ken N2WWD
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:44 AM, "Graham Shirville"
<g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> At least one of the forthcoming launches is planning to having more than
26 objects being deployed. I think this is the first time that this has
occurred.
>>
>> Our TLEs include these references. I understand that after Z is used, the
sequence will be AA, AB, AC, AD, etc.
>>
>> Question - will this extra digit disrupt the existing systems we have for
distribution of this data or when importing the files into the various
prediction programmes that we all use?
>>
>> I may be worrying unnecessarily but ..........just in case!
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Graham
>> G3VZV
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:16:44 -0600
> From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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>
> I agree on that also.
>
> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>
> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
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> On 11/12/2013 10:34 PM, Donald Jacob wrote:
>> Gordon,
>> If you use that logic, then why use amateur radio at all. Just use your
>> cell phone and you can talk to anyone, anywhere (that will answer!).
>>
>> Hobby, learn, have fun, meet others with the same interests etc....
>> Guess something got lost along the way!
>>
>> WB5EKU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Gordon JC Pearce
<gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:57:39PM +0000, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>>>> I would like to see the DSTAR users pick a REFLECTOR and use it as a
>>> state side intercomm. How cool would that be? Some one asking the group ,
>>> hey who was that in fm-- or CN--or what was the call of the guy in DN--.
>>> Look at how we could all help each other while working the birds.
>>>
>>> Why not just use your phone? Far more reliable, far better coverage, far
>>> better battery life and a tiny fraction of the cost...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:40:59 +0000
> From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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> On 11/13/13, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> I agree on that also.
>>
>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>
>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
> my Arrow yagi.
>
> Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
> aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
> conversations every time. Tinkering with something in order to hear
> or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
> bothersome to them.
>
> Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
> high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
> the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names". It was
> fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
> Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
>
> <snip>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:38:32 +0600
> From: R Oler <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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>
> in large manner chat rooms and the like have taken the place for some of
the CQ...Robert WB5MZO/S2
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:51 PM, "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/13/13, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> I agree on that also.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>>
>>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
>> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
>> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
>> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
>> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
>> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
>> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
>> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
>> my Arrow yagi.
>>
>> Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
>> aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
>> conversations every time. Tinkering with something in order to hear
>> or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
>> bothersome to them.
>>
>> Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
>> high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
>> the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names". It was
>> fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
>> Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
>>
>> 73s
>>
>> Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
>>
>> <snip>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:49:39 -0500
> From: "Rich/wa4bue" <richard.siff@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "R Oler" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>,
> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I agree with what is being said.
>
> The K4AMG MARC works with you in a VO TECH center Broadcast Radio
> Class -WFOS FM 88.7, for over 10 years now. You can Google the station 24/7
> and listen to live stream. When the students are in class they are on the
> air. We are also in the early stages of assisting with an electronics
> class in the Chesapeake, VA Public Schools.
> We see teens all of the time. Today most of the teens we see kind of know
> what a screw driver and a pair of pliers are, but never heard of a ratchet
> and socket.
> Case in point:
>
> Last May we gave the teens assembly instructions and tools so they could
> assemble our YAGI antennas for OSCAR communications, and install the rotor -
> in general get the antennas ready for a OSCAR pass.
> We had to show them how to use the tools! Walk them through each step of
> the instructions as they texted to their friends this NOVEL experience.
>
> You might had heard us on FO 29, W4FOS, the schools club station.
>
> We have also worked with "BOE BOT" robot in the school. It requires
> moderate assembly. Assembly was a problem for them - programming went
> fairly well (circles. squares etc).
>
> On a good note a few years ago we bought RAMSEY FM Radio receiver kits and
> as class projects we taught them how to solder and in less then 3 classes 2
> hours 6 hours they put the radios together, and with less then,, and hour
> they used a scope and debugged the one radio that did not work, so they can
> do hands on when they want to.
>
> What I am finding is shops (hand on stuff) is disappearing and to work in
> trades, the teens are now required to take 2 year JR. College to be
> certified.
>
> Back to class, for many years we have put the students on HF during School
> Club Roundup, and they get insulted and jammed by older hams that own HF
> frequencies. We tried to place them on "IRLP" and around here any way some
> of the old guys are so bitter they are using bad language and distasteful
> conversations, not that the teens don't know and use this language, but not
> in the class room, so we don't go there.
> Even one of our largest clubs in the area don't want to work with teens.
>
> This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class. By the
> way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not suitable for the
> class room.
>
> In short it is difficult to give teens a full view of amateur radio when
> some of the idiots on the air and are just that real idiots. This part of
> the same discussion "Ethics" on the School Club Roundup users group ...
> Enough Venting.
>
> And finding volunteer Elmers to teach in the class room, very difficult, as
> most hams of the 80s and beyond know nothing but how to operate their
> radios, can not even make their antennas. The exception are those wonderful
> guys that worked in electronics and communications in the service or their
> day to day work. God Bless them. Our newest and best resource for Elmers
> are members of the Society of Broadcast Engineers Chapter 54, they have
> taken time off to teach in the class room.
>
> You can check out our home page at K4AMG.org, to get an idea about what we
> are trying to do. Please give us some input about what you think we are
> doing right or wrong.
>
> God Bless
>
> Rich
> W4BUE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R Oler" <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: "Joe" <nss@xxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:38 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
>
>
>> in large manner chat rooms and the like have taken the place for some of
>> the CQ...Robert WB5MZO/S2
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:51 PM, "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/13/13, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>> I agree on that also.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>>>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>>>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>>>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>>>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>>>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>>>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>>>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>>>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>>>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
>>> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
>>> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
>>> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
>>> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
>>> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
>>> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
>>> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
>>> my Arrow yagi.
>>>
>>> Many peope, I suppose, have become accustomed to the plug-and-play
>>> aspect of electronic devices and expect to have clear 2-way
>>> conversations every time. Tinkering with something in order to hear
>>> or be heard is likely something they wouldn't like or would be too
>>> bothersome to them.
>>>
>>> Then again, my interest in radio began as an SWL while I was still in
>>> high school over 40 years ago and I listened to broadcasts from, as
>>> the song says, "far away places with strange-sounding names". It was
>>> fun bragging to my classmates that I listened to, say, Radio
>>> Australia, not that any of them paid much attention to it.
>>>
>>> 73s
>>>
>>> Bernhard VA6BMJ@ DO33FL
>>>
>>> <snip>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:32:54 +0000
> From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
> Message-ID: <20131113193254.GA28908@xxxx.xxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:49:39PM -0500, Rich/wa4bue wrote:
>> This year we will try to introduce ISS data and SSTV to the class.
>> By the way we can not go SSTV on HF, most of the pictures are not
>> suitable for the class room.
>>
> You know, they're teenagers. Whether or not you agree with what *some* (a
small minority) of SSTVers transmit, I think there's a fair chance they've
seen swimsuit pictures already.
>
> Good luck with getting the ISS to transmit any usable SSTV. The past few
times it's all been a bit broken. Maybe we can devise a nice solid SSTV
subsystem to take up?
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:22:00 -0500
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I am tired of D-star thread/argument
Message-ID:
<CAEMY9FfW13pcUERTD_uhHwf7QV7Ympk0MXPBmtu+4s9NWzeWvg@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
It WAS a discussion about satellites going up, and one of them is a D-Star
satellite. Feel free to use your delete button.
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:23:43 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I am tired of D-star thread/argument
Message-ID: <5284180F.8090201@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I don't mind the discussion...but I agree. Four satellites are being
launched in eight days that will (knock on wood) eventually have voice
capability. If everything works right, we'll have double the number of
satellites to operate through when their primary missions end.
I know Delfi-n3xt and the Tritons won't be available for amateur use for
a few months. How about FUNcube? I wonder what the timetable is for
putting it into it's normal mode where it will be available for amateur
use in the evening.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On 11/13/2013 7:08 PM, Tom Gentry wrote:
> I don't have it, don't want it, don't want to hear about it.
>
> Lets talk about the new satellites going up.
>
> Tom K5VOU
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:12:48 -0600
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Call for Symposium Photos
Message-ID: <006101cee0d6$a2eb35f0$e8c1a1d0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello Everyone,
I would appreciate receiving selected photos, or a link to your
on-line albums for photos from the 2013 AMSAT Symposium and Annual
General Meeting.
With the November/December Journal in-progress it is time to begin
planning for full coverage of the Symposium, Banquet, and tour of the
Johnson Space Center in the January/February 2014 AMSAT Journal.
Please send you photos and/or link information to me by December 1.
Thanks!
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
Editor, AMSAT Journal
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:31:30 -0800
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
Message-ID: <52845222.5030102@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
B J wrote:
> On 11/13/13, Joe<nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> I agree on that also.
>>
>> Now I'm not picking on them here. But I am a member of Four local
>> Amateur Radio Clubs. And have been an Amateur since 1975 and have seen
>> this "Hobby" change a lot through the years. And in all four clubs 90%
>> of the newly licensed get into this Hobby now, through the Public
>> service aspect of the hobby. IE: Skywarn, communications during
>> disasters, support like in parades etc. While there is nothing wrong
>> with this. But these newcomers do not seem to get the thrill of just
>> getting on the air, and throw out a CQ just to see who comes back. Just
>> for the thrill of the unknown. And that is sad.
>>
>> I feel that Amateur Radio is more to them as the Service part of the
>> Amateur Radio Service. Not the experimenting and exploring part.
> I often get a similar reaction when I talk about amateur radio,
> particularly from younger people. They can't quite grasp why I'd want
> to put together a station and, perhaps, talk with someone when there
> are easier ways of doing that. Even if I don't have any contacts, I
> like to find out just what the hardware can do and how far my signal
> can go. It's fun to know that I can reach a satellite that's, say,
> somewhere over the Arctic Ocean north of Siberia putting only 5 W into
> my Arrow yagi.
Don't give up hope. Not all of the next generation is a lost cause.
I just got back from the 38th anniversary reunion of the original
Homebrew Computer Club, a group from the '70's and '80's with similar
objectives focused on learning, experimentation, and mentoring. The
group was formed in 1975, and by a show of hands, the vast majority of
those attending the sold out event weren't even born yet. But they were
there, engaged, excited, and wanting to pick up the torch being
symbolically passed to them. "Cool" to them has a lot in common with
what it is to us - accomplishing something with skills and random parts
in ways nobody thought possible.
To me (an early member of the club), there's still nothing more amazing
than being able to stand in the middle of nowhere with my TH-D7, and
bounce a packet off the International Space Station as it zips by at
18,000 miles per hour, resulting in a PC elsewhere on the planet "ding"
with a new bit of email. Then talking to a (younger) co-worker, as I
did last week, explaining how I did that, and getting a genuine "wow" in
reply.
Hang in there. Initiatives such as what the FunCube team is doing will
help get the word out, and the awareness up. And a new generation of
"Wows" will be inspired.
Greg KO6TH
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:23:09 -0000
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Paul Stoetzer" <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube operations - was Re: I am tired of D-star
thread/argument
Message-ID: <106AE3AF728A44618EAA850A4822AA36@xxxxxxx.xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Hi Paul,
If EVERYTHING goes according to plan then FUNcube-1 could well be commanded
to operate autonomously within a week or two of launch.
This means that the spacecraft will have a linear transponder for amateur
use when in eclipse and high power telemetry for educational outreach when
in sunlight
"Everything" means a positive power budget, reasonable on board
temperatures, all antennas deployed plus a whole host of other on board
parameters being ok after launch!
73
Graham
G3VZV
.
I know Delfi-n3xt and the Tritons won't be available for amateur use for
a few months. How about FUNcube? I wonder what the timetable is for
putting it into it's normal mode where it will be available for amateur
use in the evening.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On 11/13/2013 7:08 PM, Tom Gentry wrote:
> I don't have it, don't want it, don't want to hear about it.
>
> Lets talk about the new satellites going up.
>
> Tom K5VOU
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:57:14 -0000
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FUNcube-1 Dashboard software "Premier Edition"
just released
Message-ID: <9045CACCBF2F402BB1FE51C17E4341E7@xxxxxxx.xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi All,
In advance of the FUNcube-1 launch next week on November 21st at 07:10:11
UTC, this first release of the FUNcube Dashboard User Interface software is
now available for download here:
http://funcube.org.uk/working-documents/funcube-telemetry-dashboard
This software, when used with a FUNcube Dongle or other SSB capable VHF
receiver, will decode and display all the 58 telemetry channels, all the
on-board status flags and also the Fitter messages from the spacecraft.
The FUNcube Dashboard will also enable users to upload the telemetry they
are receiving to a central Data Warehouse so that others around the world
can see what is happening on board.
A fully illustrated set of installation and operating guidance notes can
also be downloaded from that page.
Additionally we also have some IQ and audio files available here that can be
used for testing. http://funcube.org.uk/working-documents/telemetry-examples/
Full details of the telemetry format, which has considerable heritage from
AO-40, can be found
here.http://funcubetest2.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/fun_downlink_data_draft_1
3.doc
We are very grateful to our software development team for their efforts in
developing the Dashboard and we look forward to your feedback. Please let us
have questions and experiences at the FUNcube forum at
http://forum.funcube.org.uk/viewforum.php?f=3
best 73
Graham
G3VZV
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