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Today's Topics:
1. Re: D STAR (Craig Gagner)
2. Re: D STAR (Craig Gagner)
3. Re: D STAR (Goody K3NG)
4. Re: D STAR (Goody K3NG)
5. Re: D STAR (Craig Gagner)
6. Re: D STAR (Angelo Glorioso)
7. Re: H.E.O.? (Daniel Schultz)
8. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Donald Jacob)
9. RE(4); 58 (f6htj@xxx.xxxx
10. Re: D STAR is here to stay (Gordon JC Pearce)
11. Re: D STAR (Gordon JC Pearce)
12. Funcube Handbook - French (Richard Limebear)
13. International Designators (Graham Shirville)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:29:22 -0500
From: "Craig Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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In a few more years the Patent on the original chip will run out and it will
be open at that point.
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of STeve Andre'
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:18 PM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
*absolutely true*
We've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real
understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers
at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.
It does reek, however.
--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en72
On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:
> If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve
> the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not
>> developed by a ham radio operator for that company???
>> A lot of hams are in that business.
>>
>> 7 3 de Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>
>>>
>>> An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for
example.
>>>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio
>>>> operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple
>>>> conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel."
>>>>
>>>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I
>>>> (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core
>>>> technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which
>>>> is what this hobby is suppose to be about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso
>>>> <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
>>>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso
>>>>>> <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To help the believer " :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a
>>>>>>> long time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises
???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
>>>>>>> radio art!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7 3 de Angelo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
>>>>>>> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way
>>>>>>>> repeaters are ... but I digress)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not
>>>>>>>> enhance the radio art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what
>>>>>>>> ever you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone
>>>>>>>> .... you've learned nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not
>>>>>>>> generating any value for what we've been entrusted with it's
>>>>>>>> going to be sold off to the highest bidder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> DSTAR
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so
>>>>>>>>>>> much >
>>>>>>>>>> fun,
>>>>>>>>>>> there is something for everyone 73,s Damon
>>>>>>>>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB
>>>>>>>>>> rig. >
>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will
>>>>>>>>> only sell to a handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying
>>>>>>>>>> the >
>>>>>>>>> AMBE
>>>>>>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur
radio.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> author.
>>>>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
>>>>>>>>>> satellite
>>>>>>>>> program!
>>>>>>>>>> Subscription settings:
>>>>>>>>>> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one
>>>>>>>>> choose to use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you
>>>>>>>>> think something has no place im amateur radio just don't use
>>>>>>>>> it and let those who wants to use it enjoy one of the most
>>>>>>>>> reliable digital communication protocol available. Yes some
>>>>>>>>> will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's just to say
>>>>>>>>> competition is already present.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cost question.
>>>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to
>>>>>>>>> DSTAR for 700$ and much less if you are technicaly
>>>>>>>>> inclined.See below it's just an example and i'm not connected
>>>>>>>>> to their business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's
>>>>>>>>> not Ham radio no one should use it" trend come from but it's
>>>>>>>>> getting old...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL
>>>>>>>>> and you will be able to reach me all over the globe. If you
>>>>>>>>> don't like the internet component you better to go back to the
>>>>>>>>> cave man, or you don't live on my planet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:31:53 -0500
From: "Craig Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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And we all know how open source that iPhone is.
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:26 PM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> "To help the believer " :-)
>
> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a long
> time.
>
> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>
> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>
> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>
> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
>
>
> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the radio
> art!!!!!!
>
> 7 3 de Angelo
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>
>
> "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>
>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>
>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way
>> repeaters are ... but I digress)
>>
>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
>> radio art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>
>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever
>> you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've
>> learned nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>
>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
>> value for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to
>> the highest bidder.
>>
>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>>
>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the
>>> > > same thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with
>>> > > DSTAR it is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio
>>> > > so much fun, there is something for everyone 73,s Damon
>>> >
>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig.
>>> > Only >
>>> one
>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell
>>> to a handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>> >
>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the
>>> > AMBE
>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the >
>>> author.
>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>
>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>
>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one
>>> choose to use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think
>>> something has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let
>>> those who wants to use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital
>>> communication protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO
>>> are better it's just to say competition is already present.
>>>
>>> The cost question.
>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR
>>> for 700$ and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's
>>> just an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>
>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
>>> radio no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>
>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
>>> will be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you
>>> don't live on my planet.
>>>
>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>
>>>
>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:21:40 -0500
From: Goody K3NG <goody.k3ng@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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The sole company that manufacturers AMBE chips used for D-STAR just
announced their bankruptcy and halted all production and sales of chips.
It is rumored there is a potential buyer for the AMBE encoding
intellectual property, but chip production and shipping may not resume for
a year and devices may triple or quadruple in price.
Just kidding. I just made this up to illustrate the problem with using
proprietary technology in amateur radio modes. :-)
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:45:02 -0500
From: Goody K3NG <goody.k3ng@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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If the iPhone is discontinued, one can just pickup another phone. There's
no single owner of the LTE protocol or the various 3G protocols.
I don't think the AMBE patent material is complete enough to write an
implementation, otherwise someone would have created an open source version
of it by now.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Craig Gagner <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> And we all know how open source that iPhone is.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:26 PM
> To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>
> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
> > "To help the believer " :-)
> >
> > Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a long
> > time.
> >
> > Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
> >
> > Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
> >
> > Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
> >
> > Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
> >
> >
> > Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the radio
> > art!!!!!!
> >
> > 7 3 de Angelo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
> > To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
> >
> >
> > "To help the non beleiver.. "
> >>
> >> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
> >>
> >> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way
> >> repeaters are ... but I digress)
> >>
> >> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
> >> radio art ... it does not promote innovation ...
> >>
> >> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever
> >> you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've
> >> learned nothing and you've given nothing back.
> >>
> >> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
> >> value for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to
> >> the highest bidder.
> >>
> >> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
> >>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the
> >>> > > same thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with
> >>> > > DSTAR it is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio
> >>> > > so much fun, there is something for everyone 73,s Damon
> >>> >
> >>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig.
> >>> > Only >
> >>> one
> >>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell
> >>> to a handful of approved radio manufacturers.
> >>> >
> >>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the
> >>> > AMBE
> >>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> >>> >
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the >
> >>> author.
> >>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >>> program!
> >>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>>
> >>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
> >>>
> >>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one
> >>> choose to use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think
> >>> something has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let
> >>> those who wants to use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital
> >>> communication protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO
> >>> are better it's just to say competition is already present.
> >>>
> >>> The cost question.
> >>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR
> >>> for 700$ and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's
> >>> just an example and i'm not connected to their business.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
> >>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
> >>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
> >>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
> >>>
> >>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
> >>> radio no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
> >>>
> >>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
> >>> will be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
> >>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you
> >>> don't live on my planet.
> >>>
> >>> Just let folks live free...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> >>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
> >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >>> program!
> >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >>
> >>
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:52:13 -0500
From: "Craig Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Goody K3NG'" <goody.k3ng@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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Good One, I won't mention all the open source projects that have died off
because the originally developer quit, and no one knows how to figure out
his code.
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Goody K3NG
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:22 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
The sole company that manufacturers AMBE chips used for D-STAR just
announced their bankruptcy and halted all production and sales of chips.
It is rumored there is a potential buyer for the AMBE encoding intellectual
property, but chip production and shipping may not resume for a year and
devices may triple or quadruple in price.
Just kidding. I just made this up to illustrate the problem with using
proprietary technology in amateur radio modes. :-)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:00:54 -0600
From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Goody K3NG" <goody.k3ng@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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For that matter, that has been a problem with finals in
radios. This is the main reason for many manufactures
to drop support.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Goody K3NG" <goody.k3ng@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:21 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
> The sole company that manufacturers AMBE chips used for D-STAR just
> announced their bankruptcy and halted all production and sales of chips.
> It is rumored there is a potential buyer for the AMBE encoding
> intellectual property, but chip production and shipping may not resume for
> a year and devices may triple or quadruple in price.
>
> Just kidding. I just made this up to illustrate the problem with using
> proprietary technology in amateur radio modes. :-)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:43 -0500
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: H.E.O.?
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Keith Crittenden asked:
> > I'm interested to know if there are any plans to put a H.E.O. amateur
> satellite into orbit in the near future, and if so does anyone have an idea
> as to what mode it would be likely to work in?
A small committee of AMSAT members was formed at the Houston Symposium to
study the issues involved in launching a HEO Cubesat mission. The work is
ongoing but conclusions so far are:
1. A HEO Cubesat mission *MIGHT* be feasible under certain circumstances. A
lot depends on the launches that will be available in the coming years.
2. It will not be an "Easysat", users will need to invest in some ground
station equipment. We can already hear the cries of "elitism" on amsat-bb. The
transponder modes are dependent on what antennas can be fit inside and
deployed from the Cubesat, and whatever choice we make is going to disappoint
somebody somewhere.
3. The present state of AMSAT's financial and human resources will not allow
such a launch for at least a couple more years.
4. AMSAT cannot do the mission by itself, there is a need to form strategic
partnerships with other organizations to gain access to technology and
resources that are needed.
If you want to contribute to the committee work please get in touch with me.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:34:29 -0800
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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Gordon,
If you use that logic, then why use amateur radio at all. Just use your
cell phone and you can talk to anyone, anywhere (that will answer!).
Hobby, learn, have fun, meet others with the same interests etc....
Guess something got lost along the way!
WB5EKU
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:57:39PM +0000, wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> > I would like to see the DSTAR users pick a REFLECTOR and use it as a
> state side intercomm. How cool would that be? Some one asking the group ,
> hey who was that in fm-- or CN--or what was the call of the guy in DN--.
> Look at how we could all help each other while working the birds.
>
> Why not just use your phone? Far more reliable, far better coverage, far
> better battery life and a tiny fraction of the cost...
>
> --
> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:13:32 -0500 (EST)
From: f6htj@xxx.xxx
To: alamyandre@xxxx.xxx alecor@xxxx.xxx alfredomigliaccio@xxx.xxx
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx andolfo.giro@xxxxxxx.xxx
andre.griffault@xxxxxxx.xxx andre.hernandez@xxxxx.xxx
andrelouisv@xxxxxxx.xxx andycharles.ad5ko@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] RE(4); 58
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referral link http://tago.re/sunami/NETOFFER.php
Sent: 11/12/2013 11:13:30 PM
>From Michel Respaut
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:37:36 +0000
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR is here to stay
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 08:34:29PM -0800, Donald Jacob wrote:
> Gordon,
> If you use that logic, then why use amateur radio at all. Just use your
> cell phone and you can talk to anyone, anywhere (that will answer!).
>
> Hobby, learn, have fun, meet others with the same interests etc....
> Guess something got lost along the way!
>
Most of the time if I just want to talk to somebody, that's what I'd do. In
an
emergency I'd rely on my mobile phone rather than someone's lash-up of
consumer-grade networking equipment and dangly wires hooked up to the latest
and
greatest digital toy.
Okay, sell it to me. What do you learn from DStar? What's so fun about it?
As
far as I can see, it's a sealed box with no real opportunity to experiment.
Being taken to court for building your own doesn't sound like a lot of fun to
me, although I guess you'd learn a lot about patent law.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:41:03 +0000
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
Message-ID: <20131113074103.GA28208@xxxx.xxx>
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:45:02PM -0500, Goody K3NG wrote:
> I don't think the AMBE patent material is complete enough to write an
> implementation, otherwise someone would have created an open source version
> of it by now.
There is mbelib, but because AMBE and friends are patented it is not legal
to write or use anything other than DVSI's chip.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:45:06 +0000
From: Richard Limebear <Richard@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: Amsatbb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube Handbook - French
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Guys
The handbook has been translated into French by Christophe Mercier. It is
now on
some of the FUNcube websites, hopefully it will be on the main funcube.org
website shortly
73
Richard G3RWL
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:44:14 -0000
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] International Designators
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Hi All,
At least one of the forthcoming launches is planning to having more than 26
objects being deployed. I think this is the first time that this has
occurred.
Our TLEs include these references. I understand that after Z is used, the
sequence will be AA, AB, AC, AD, etc.
Question - will this extra digit disrupt the existing systems we have for
distribution of this data or when importing the files into the various
prediction programmes that we all use?
I may be worrying unnecessarily but ..........just in case!
thanks
Graham
G3VZV
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