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Today's Topics:
1. H.E.O.? (Keith Crittenden)
2. Re: D STAR (Rob)
3. Re: FUNcube-1 Interview on BBC Radio (Bent)
4. Re: D STAR (Angelo Glorioso)
5. Re: D STAR (Rob)
6. Re: D STAR (Angelo Glorioso)
7. Re: D STAR (Rob)
8. Funcube Handbook - Italian (richard limebear)
9. D STAR is here to stay (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
10. Re: H.E.O.? (i8cvs)
11. Re: D STAR (John Becker)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:43:47 +0000
From: Keith Crittenden <Keithcrittenden@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] H.E.O.?
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Hi,
Two Questions from a newbie;
I'm interested to know if there are any plans to put a H.E.O. amateur
satellite into orbit in the near future, and if so does anyone have an idea
as to what mode it would be likely to work in?
And, (second question) as I'm in the process of setting up a station (pretty
much from scratch) for the purpose of working satellites I'm wondering if
it's considered worth the extra expense of buying a rotator /elevator or
just a rotator.
All knowledgeable opinions would be appreciated.
Keith.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:39:54 +0000
From: Rob <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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"To help the non beleiver.. "
Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way repeaters are
... but I digress)
I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the radio
art ... it does not promote innovation ...
Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever you
need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've learned
nothing and you've given nothing back.
The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any value
for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the highest
bidder.
We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the same
> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with DSTAR it
> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much fun,
> > > there is something for everyone
> > > 73,s Damon
> >
> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. Only one
> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell to a
> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
> >
> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the AMBE
> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
> >
> > --
> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>
> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>
> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one choose to
> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who wants to
> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's just
> to say competition is already present.
>
> The cost question.
> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR for 700$
> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>
>
>
http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters---for-more-information--ma
nual-links.html?success=1&ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>
> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham radio
> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>
> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you will
> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you don't
> live on my planet.
>
> Just let folks live free...
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:52:58 +0100
From: Bent <oz6bl@xxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FUNcube-1 Interview on BBC Radio
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On 2013-11-11 20:45, M5AKA wrote:
> I believe the BBC recording should be available worldwide, let me know if
it isn't.
>
>
> See http://amsat-uk.org/2013/11/11/funcube-1-on-bbc-radio/
>
It is available but only for a limited time - 6 more days.
Bent/OZ6BL
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:18:16 -0600
From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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"To help the believer " :-)
Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
in a long time.
Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
radio art!!!!!!
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
> "To help the non beleiver.. "
>
> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>
> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way repeaters
> are
> ... but I digress)
>
> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
> radio
> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>
> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever you
> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've learned
> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>
> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
> value
> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
> highest
> bidder.
>
> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>
>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the same
>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with DSTAR it
>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much fun,
>> > > there is something for everyone
>> > > 73,s Damon
>> >
>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. Only
>> > one
>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell to a
>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>> >
>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the AMBE
>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>> > author.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>
>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>
>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one choose to
>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who wants
>> to
>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's just
>> to say competition is already present.
>>
>> The cost question.
>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR for
>> 700$
>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>
>>
>>
http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters---for-more-information--ma
nual-links.html?success=1&ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>
>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham radio
>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>
>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you will
>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you don't
>> live on my planet.
>>
>> Just let folks live free...
>>
>>
>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:26:28 +0000
From: Rob <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> "To help the believer " :-)
>
> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
> in a long time.
>
> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>
> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>
> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>
> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
>
>
> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
> radio art!!!!!!
>
> 7 3 de Angelo
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>
>
> "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>
>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>
>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way repeaters
>> are
>> ... but I digress)
>>
>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
>> radio
>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>
>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever you
>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've learned
>> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>
>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
>> value
>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
>> highest
>> bidder.
>>
>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>>
>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the same
>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with DSTAR it
>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much fun,
>>> > > there is something for everyone
>>> > > 73,s Damon
>>> >
>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. Only >
>>> one
>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell to a
>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>> >
>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the AMBE
>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the >
>>> author.
>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>
>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>
>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one choose to
>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who wants
>>> to
>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's just
>>> to say competition is already present.
>>>
>>> The cost question.
>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR for
>>> 700$
>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>
>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham radio
>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>
>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you will
>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you don't
>>> live on my planet.
>>>
>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>
>>>
>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:48:48 -0600
From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
>> "To help the believer " :-)
>>
>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
>> in a long time.
>>
>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>
>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>
>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>
>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
>>
>>
>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
>> radio art!!!!!!
>>
>> 7 3 de Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>
>>
>> "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>
>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>
>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way repeaters
>>> are
>>> ... but I digress)
>>>
>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
>>> radio
>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>
>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever you
>>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've learned
>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>
>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
>>> value
>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
>>> highest
>>> bidder.
>>>
>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the same
>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with DSTAR
>>>> > > it
>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much fun,
>>>> > > there is something for everyone
>>>> > > 73,s Damon
>>>> >
>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. Only
>>>> > >
>>>> one
>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell to
>>>> a
>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>> >
>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the AMBE
>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the >
>>>> author.
>>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>
>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one choose
>>>> to
>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who wants
>>>> to
>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's
>>>> just
>>>> to say competition is already present.
>>>>
>>>> The cost question.
>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR for
>>>> 700$
>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
>>>> radio
>>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>>
>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
>>>> will
>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you don't
>>>> live on my planet.
>>>>
>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>>> author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:10 +0000
From: Rob <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An
amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking
place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or
someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it can't
be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose
to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
>
> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>
>
> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> "To help the believer " :-)
>>>
>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
>>> in a long time.
>>>
>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
>>>
>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
>>>
>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
>>>
>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
>>> radio art!!!!!!
>>>
>>> 7 3 de Angelo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <pabutusa@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
>>>
>>>
>>> "To help the non beleiver.. "
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
>>>>
>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way repeaters
>>>> are
>>>> ... but I digress)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
>>>> radio
>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ...
>>>>
>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever you
>>>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've learned
>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back.
>>>>
>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
>>>> value
>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
>>>> highest
>>>> bidder.
>>>>
>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
>>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the same
>>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with DSTAR
>>>>> > > it
>>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much fun,
>>>>> > > there is something for everyone
>>>>> > > 73,s Damon
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. Only
>>>>> > >
>>>>> one
>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell
>>>>> to a
>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the AMBE
>>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>> author.
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>>>>>
>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one choose
>>>>> to
>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who wants
>>>>> to
>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's
>>>>> just
>>>>> to say competition is already present.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost question.
>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR for
>>>>> 700$
>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
>>>>> radio
>>>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
>>>>> will
>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you don't
>>>>> live on my planet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just let folks live free...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> author.
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>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
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>>>> author.
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>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:46:32 +0000
From: richard limebear <richard@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Funcube Handbook - Italian
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Guys
The handbook has been translated into Italian by Pierluigi IW4BIG. It is now
on some of the FUNcube websites, hopefully it will be on the main
funcube.org website shortly
73
Richard G3RWL
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:57:39 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] D STAR is here to stay
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Well lets see
there is digital sstv
digital HF
Look at Ham Radio Deluxe, how many modes it has
D Star is FFC approved and is legal to use and is here to stay guys.....
It is a reliable form of communication.
You don't have to connect to the world wide wed to use it.
Oh and the folkes in the UK are going to launch a DSTAR sattelite,should
someone tell them its a bad idea? Just because you dont like DSTAR ?Well
maybe DSTAR doesnt like you LOL
I would like to see the DSTAR users pick a REFLECTOR and use it as a state
side intercomm. How cool would that be? Some one asking the group , hey who
was that in fm-- or CN--or what was the call of the guy in DN--. Look at how
we could all help each other while working the birds.
So stop all the negative crap and lets work to the good of the hobby and the
use of the birds, OK?
I also see alot of post on this BB of people I havent heard on the birds .
hummmmm
OH well lets use what we have for the good and stop crying and complaining
,this is a hobby
73 and have FUN thats an order LOL
Damon
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:21:12 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Keith Crittenden" <Keithcrittenden@xxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: H.E.O.?
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Hi Keith
Only God know if and when a HEO Amateur Satellite will be placed in orbit by
AMSAT.
AMSAT-DL is working around P3E wich is a satellite similar to OSCAR-13
using all modes from the VHF to Microwave but there are no money sufficient
to pay for the launch at the moment.
About to work the actual operational satellites the extra expences of
buying a rotator /elevator is recommended while starting the activity you
can use a more simple low cost yagi antenna for 2 m and 70 cm manually
aimed toward the satellite.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Crittenden" <Keithcrittenden@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] H.E.O.?
> Hi,
>
> Two Questions from a newbie;
>
> I'm interested to know if there are any plans to put a H.E.O. amateur
satellite into orbit in the near future, and if so does anyone have an idea
as to what mode it would be likely to work in?
>
> And, (second question) as I'm in the process of setting up a station
(pretty much from scratch) for the purpose of working satellites I'm
wondering if it's considered worth the extra expense of buying a rotator
/elevator or just a rotator.
>
> All knowledgeable opinions would be appreciated.
>
> Keith.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:38:14 -0600
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
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On 11/12/2013 8:16 AM, aflowers@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> I think that was Rob's point. There is no opportunity to learn from
> it let alone improve upon it because the protocol is at the very least
> a guarded trade secret if not patented
YES IT IS. And for good reason. Just as well as Motorola Kenwood and
Yaesu has done the same.
It's time to get over it.
And GENERAL MOTORS did what with their ON STAR system? Copyright and
patents. How dare them do that.
John, W0JAB
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