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Today's Topics:
1. AMSAT-NA office delays (Alan)
2. Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50 (Mike N8MR)
3. Re: Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50 (Rich/wa4bue)
4. Re: Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50 (Stefan Wagener)
5. Sep/Oct AMSAT Journal (Paul Stoetzer)
6. Ignore Previous Message (Paul Stoetzer)
7. RF, another alternate energy technology (hogwash)
(Robert Bruninga)
8. Not exactly a cubesat (Thomas Doyle)
9. Re: Funcube Handbook (Thomas Doyle)
10. Re: RF, another alternate energy technology (hogwash) (Simone)
11. Office (Martha)
12. 2013 AMSAT Symposium in Houston - My Observations
(Clayton Coleman)
13. Re: 2013 AMSAT Symposium in Houston - My Observations (Ted)
14. Re: RF, another alternate energy technology (hogwash) (Jim Wright)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:10:06 -0600
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-NA office delays
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As has been posted, our office manager Martha had a leg injury which limits
her mobility.
Unfortunately there have been issues in the building in which our office is
housed, including basic
power and elevator failures. The combination has caused significant delays
in store order fulfillment
and returned calls and email. The building management reports that the
power and other issues should
be resolved soon. We regret the perfect storm, and appreciate your patience
and understanding.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 07:08:21 -0500
From: Mike N8MR <n8mr@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50
Message-ID: <COL126-W29AB4930D9AA1483367AF686F20@xxx.xxx>
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Livonia Amateur
Radio Club will be hosting special event station W8F commemorating the 38th
anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald freighter on Lake
Superior. We will be operating from Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle Isle,
Detroit, MI this Saturday, November 12, 2013. We plan on being on the HF
bands on Phone, CW and digital modes. We're also planning on being on SO-50
during the 1555 UTC and 1740 UTC passes. Detroit is in grid square EN82.
QSL certificates are available via WA8DHP.
www.livoniaarc.com
73,
Mike, N8MR
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 07:32:19 -0500
From: "Rich/wa4bue" <richard.siff@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Mike N8MR" <n8mr@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50
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Sounds great K4AMG Sat Station is off the air for another couple of weeks.
Will you be on HF? Where??
Rich
W4BUE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike N8MR" <n8mr@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 7:08 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50
> Livonia Amateur
> Radio Club will be hosting special event station W8F commemorating the
> 38th anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald freighter on Lake
> Superior. We will be operating from Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle
> Isle, Detroit, MI this Saturday, November 12, 2013. We plan on being on
> the HF bands on Phone, CW and digital modes. We're also planning on being
> on SO-50 during the 1555 UTC and 1740 UTC passes. Detroit is in grid
> square EN82.
>
> QSL certificates are available via WA8DHP.
>
> www.livoniaarc.com
>
> 73,
> Mike, N8MR
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 06:54:10 -0600
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Mike N8MR <n8mr@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Edmund Fitzgerald Special Event on SO-50
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HI Mike ,
I assume you mean tomorrow Saturday, November 9th (not 12th)?
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:08 AM, Mike N8MR <n8mr@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Livonia Amateur
> Radio Club will be hosting special event station W8F commemorating the
> 38th anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald freighter on Lake
> Superior. We will be operating from Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle
> Isle, Detroit, MI this Saturday, November 12, 2013. We plan on being on the
> HF bands on Phone, CW and digital modes. We're also planning on being on
> SO-50 during the 1555 UTC and 1740 UTC passes. Detroit is in grid square
> EN82.
>
> QSL certificates are available via WA8DHP.
>
> www.livoniaarc.com
>
> 73,
> Mike, N8MR
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:40:29 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sep/Oct AMSAT Journal
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Hi Martha,
Sorry to hear about your injury. Hope you are doing better!
I never received my Sep/Oct AMSAT Journal. If you remember, I also never
received my Jul/Aug issue either and had to have you send one, so I'm
wondering if my address information is screwed up somewhere.
My address is:
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
201 I St SW
Apt V336
Washington, DC 20024
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM (Membership ID #38,913)
Washington, DC
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:49:22 -0500
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ignore Previous Message
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Ignore my previous message...I selected the wrong address!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:37:46 -0500
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] RF, another alternate energy technology (hogwash)
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A fellow came to me convinced that capturing RF energy from cell phones,
and radio and TV waves was free energy. He couldn?t wait to invest in
these pocket sized antennas that have achieved the same 37% energy
reception efficiencies as do the most expensive solar cells:.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131107154818.htm
I told him to not believe everthing he hears and you Amsat radio guys
might get a kick out of my response:
--------------------------------------
Thanks for sending me this interesting example of hype gone ridiculous. I
was glad to receive it.
The problem is apples and oranges. Yes, they got ?37% efficiency, similar
to the most expensive solar cells?, but the difference is that solar energy
imparts about 100 watts of energy per square foot on a solar panel ?
remember, ONE HUNDRED WATTS/sqft.
The amount of energy from a Cell tower onto a small antenna 1 mile away
from the cell tower (typical) is only 0.000000000004 Watts. So there is
about a one hundred trillionth of the practicality.
Or another way to look at it. If you could hold their RF energy collecting
antenna 1 inch from the cell phone tower (not one mile), to get more power,
then the most power he could get would be only 3 watts. Still nothing
close to what the sun provides. Plus, he would be absorbing all the power
from the cell phone tower making it useless, plus the energy is not free.
SO to get the same power as a palm sized solar panel, his RF capture
antenna would have to be ONE INCH away from THIRTY cell phone towers.
And, to generate that same 100 watts worth of RF energy, it takes about
300 watts of electrical power. (1 inch away)
All to deliver about 1 Watt of power compared to the Sun which is free.
Thanks. A great lesson in hype!
Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:42:29 -0600
From: Thomas Doyle <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Not exactly a cubesat
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http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/11/08/track-europe-falling-2000-pound-sate
llite-in-real-time/
W9KE Tom Doyle
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:46:14 -0600
From: Thomas Doyle <tomdoyle1948@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Richard@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx
Cc: Amsatbb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Funcube Handbook
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Brilliant !
Well written.
Thank you !
W9KE Tom Doyle
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Richard Limebear
<Richard@xxxxx.xxxxx.xx.xx>wrote:
> The handbook is now at the funcube.org website, the previous link
> requires a login, sorry
> <http://funcubetest2.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/funcube-
> handbook-en_v1.pdf>
>
> 73
> Richard G3RWL
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tom ...
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:35:46 +0100
From: Simone <terrando@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "Amsat-Bb@xxxxx. Org" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RF, another alternate energy technology
(hogwash)
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Bob,
I agree with you on the fact that RF energy harvesting is not practical for
high powers, but I think we should re-locate these devices into their
context: rectantennas and similar devices are designed to power extremely
low power devices, in places where there is no access to sun light.
Think for example to tyre pressure monitoring sensors: some types of
devices harvest power from the transponder used to communicate with them.
Still we are far from energy harvesting houses, where walls and tiles are
made of antennas that sucks all the incident RF power... in any case, as
you pointed out, even in the case such a scenario would work, people living
inside would have no radio and no cellphone working!
73
Simone - IU1AFY/F4VPY
2013/11/8 Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
> A fellow came to me convinced that capturing RF energy from cell phones,
> and radio and TV waves was free energy. He couldn?t wait to invest in
> these pocket sized antennas that have achieved the same 37% energy
> reception efficiencies as do the most expensive solar cells:.
>
>
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131107154818.htm
>
>
>
> I told him to not believe everthing he hears and you Amsat radio guys
> might get a kick out of my response:
>
> --------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Thanks for sending me this interesting example of hype gone ridiculous. I
> was glad to receive it.
>
>
>
> The problem is apples and oranges. Yes, they got ?37% efficiency, similar
> to the most expensive solar cells?, but the difference is that solar energy
> imparts about 100 watts of energy per square foot on a solar panel ?
> remember, ONE HUNDRED WATTS/sqft.
>
>
>
> The amount of energy from a Cell tower onto a small antenna 1 mile away
> from the cell tower (typical) is only 0.000000000004 Watts. So there is
> about a one hundred trillionth of the practicality.
>
>
>
> Or another way to look at it. If you could hold their RF energy collecting
> antenna 1 inch from the cell phone tower (not one mile), to get more power,
> then the most power he could get would be only 3 watts. Still nothing
> close to what the sun provides. Plus, he would be absorbing all the power
> from the cell phone tower making it useless, plus the energy is not free.
> SO to get the same power as a palm sized solar panel, his RF capture
> antenna would have to be ONE INCH away from THIRTY cell phone towers.
>
>
>
> And, to generate that same 100 watts worth of RF energy, it takes about
> 300 watts of electrical power. (1 inch away)
>
>
>
> All to deliver about 1 Watt of power compared to the Sun which is free.
>
>
>
> Thanks. A great lesson in hype!
>
>
>
> Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:43:05 -0500
From: Martha <martha@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Office
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In addition to the cast on my left leg which I cannot put any weight on,
the office has had no power for the last 3 days- no elevators, electricity
or heat.
As soon as those issues have been resolved, I will be back!!!
73- Martha
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:15:17 -0600
From: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2013 AMSAT Symposium in Houston - My Observations
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1. It was great to see so many operators in attendance. I lost
count of the total but here are just a few of the more frequent North
American stations heard on the birds: N5AFV, N5ZNL, AC0RA,
CO6CBF/KF5YXV, KO4MA, WD9EWK K5OE/M0GOE, WA5KBH, KF5LOQ, N8RO, N0JE
2. There were lots of great presentations. I stayed awake for most!
3. The forecast for future transponder-capable satellites (FM &
SSB) looks bright.
4. The banquet panel was outstanding and very well received by all.
5. Houston knows how to put on a fun Symposium. Kudos to the
host committee!
6. I was pleased to see some of the developments around
licensing Cubesats in terms of experimental versus amateur licensing.
7. We had an eclectic collection of amateurs in attendance ? all
with their own unique perspectives in building and/or operating
satellites. You could likely never assemble such a team outside of
the AMSAT Symposium venue.
8. There are many kind and generous individuals within AMSAT-NA
who were supportive of one of our foreign visitors and in making his
journey special.
9. Only a few people fell asleep during my presentation. None snored.
10. Even Texas BBQ from Papa?s is better than Memphis B-B-Q.
The opinions and observations made above are those of W5PFG and not of
any other entity.
73,
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:06:54 -0800
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clayton Coleman'" <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Symposium in Houston - My
Observations
Message-ID: <000601cedcb5$b0d8c2b0$128a4810$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Uh-oh...comment #10 is going to push Damon to DEFCON5 on you, Clayton !!
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clayton Coleman
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:15 AM
To: AMSAT-BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2013 AMSAT Symposium in Houston - My Observations
1. It was great to see so many operators in attendance. I lost
count of the total but here are just a few of the more frequent North
American stations heard on the birds: N5AFV, N5ZNL, AC0RA, CO6CBF/KF5YXV,
KO4MA, WD9EWK K5OE/M0GOE, WA5KBH, KF5LOQ, N8RO, N0JE
2. There were lots of great presentations. I stayed awake for most!
3. The forecast for future transponder-capable satellites (FM &
SSB) looks bright.
4. The banquet panel was outstanding and very well received by all.
5. Houston knows how to put on a fun Symposium. Kudos to the
host committee!
6. I was pleased to see some of the developments around
licensing Cubesats in terms of experimental versus amateur licensing.
7. We had an eclectic collection of amateurs in attendance - all
with their own unique perspectives in building and/or operating
satellites. You could likely never assemble such a team outside of
the AMSAT Symposium venue.
8. There are many kind and generous individuals within AMSAT-NA
who were supportive of one of our foreign visitors and in making his journey
special.
9. Only a few people fell asleep during my presentation. None snored.
10. Even Texas BBQ from Papa's is better than Memphis B-B-Q.
The opinions and observations made above are those of W5PFG and not of any
other entity.
73,
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:40:42 -0500
From: Jim Wright <wrightjrjr@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Simone <terrando@xxxxxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RF, another alternate energy technology
(hogwash)
Message-ID: <527D3E3A.6010506@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Theoretically,
1. Wouldn't these meta antennae act like the high rise building built
between you and your favorite repeater. Absorbing/blocking "your"
signal down range from the source transmitter?
2. Wouldn't all that RF building up inside the room act like the
story we have all heard about "the cat came in from outdoors wet, so I
tossed him into the microwave!"?
Years ago when a building was being built near the phone company
building where I worked, the microwave signals would fade for no
apparent reason. As the building, a block away, started to appear above
the nearer buildings, we saw the crane used to raise material for the
construction rising up in height, also. It turns out the crane cab was
at the 250 height of our tower antenna. Whenever the cab swung into
position to put it's load on the new building, we lost signals to/from
our next relay tower, a major route node.
Using a bit of hype, we told the crane operator that he would become
sterile if he kept getting in the beam between towers. They moved the
crane to another location. Both parties were happy.
Jim WA4IVM
ps: 23 mile path length, 2 degree beam width, 1/2 watt ERP.
On 11/8/2013 11:35 AM, Simone wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I agree with you on the fact that RF energy harvesting is not practical for
> high powers, but I think we should re-locate these devices into their
> context: rectantennas and similar devices are designed to power extremely
> low power devices, in places where there is no access to sun light.
>
> Think for example to tyre pressure monitoring sensors: some types of
> devices harvest power from the transponder used to communicate with them.
>
> Still we are far from energy harvesting houses, where walls and tiles are
> made of antennas that sucks all the incident RF power... in any case, as
> you pointed out, even in the case such a scenario would work, people living
> inside would have no radio and no cellphone working!
>
> 73
>
> Simone - IU1AFY/F4VPY
>
>
>
>
> 2013/11/8 Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
>
>> A fellow came to me convinced that capturing RF energy from cell phones,
>> and radio and TV waves was free energy. He couldn?t wait to invest in
>> these pocket sized antennas that have achieved the same 37% energy
>> reception efficiencies as do the most expensive solar cells:.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131107154818.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> I told him to not believe everthing he hears and you Amsat radio guys
>> might get a kick out of my response:
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for sending me this interesting example of hype gone ridiculous. I
>> was glad to receive it.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem is apples and oranges. Yes, they got ?37% efficiency, similar
>> to the most expensive solar cells?, but the difference is that solar energy
>> imparts about 100 watts of energy per square foot on a solar panel ?
>> remember, ONE HUNDRED WATTS/sqft.
>>
>>
>>
>> The amount of energy from a Cell tower onto a small antenna 1 mile away
>> from the cell tower (typical) is only 0.000000000004 Watts. So there is
>> about a one hundred trillionth of the practicality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or another way to look at it. If you could hold their RF energy collecting
>> antenna 1 inch from the cell phone tower (not one mile), to get more power,
>> then the most power he could get would be only 3 watts. Still nothing
>> close to what the sun provides. Plus, he would be absorbing all the power
>> from the cell phone tower making it useless, plus the energy is not free.
>> SO to get the same power as a palm sized solar panel, his RF capture
>> antenna would have to be ONE INCH away from THIRTY cell phone towers.
>>
>>
>>
>> And, to generate that same 100 watts worth of RF energy, it takes about
>> 300 watts of electrical power. (1 inch away)
>>
>>
>>
>> All to deliver about 1 Watt of power compared to the Sun which is free.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks. A great lesson in hype!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
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