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Today's Topics:
1. Spam through amsat.org (Phil Karn)
2. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Bryce Salmi)
3. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Phil Karn)
4. DSTAR/AMSAT USERS NET tonight (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
5. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
6. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Bruce)
7. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Virgil Bierschwale)
8. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
9. Re: Spam through amsat.org (Jim Walls)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:22:14 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <52721336.7070201@xxxx.xxx>
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A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76
spam emails I've received in the last day.
But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to hear
from make contact that way. And I've used it to contact others whose
email addresses I don't know, but who I know to be AMSAT members.
I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of auto-responder
on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email, returns a message
to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of the user's actual
email address, possibly accompanied with a sound file with the same
information for anyone with impaired vision. Spammers couldn't handle
it, especially since most don't even use valid return addresses. But any
real human could resend his email directly to its destination.
What do people think of this idea? How much of a problem is spam for
everyone else here?
Phil
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:44:16 -0700
From: Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
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I would imagine that if your AMSAT.org email address is public and posted
online then spammers could email it which then gets forwarded and might
look like a trusted email to your email provider and not flagged as
spam.Just a thought.
On Thursday, October 31, 2013, Phil Karn wrote:
> A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
> comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76
> spam emails I've received in the last day.
>
> But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to hear
> from make contact that way. And I've used it to contact others whose
> email addresses I don't know, but who I know to be AMSAT members.
>
> I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of auto-responder
> on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email, returns a message
> to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of the user's actual
> email address, possibly accompanied with a sound file with the same
> information for anyone with impaired vision. Spammers couldn't handle
> it, especially since most don't even use valid return addresses. But any
> real human could resend his email directly to its destination.
>
> What do people think of this idea? How much of a problem is spam for
> everyone else here?
>
> Phil
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 02:06:06 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx>
To: bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <52721D7E.6050106@xxxx.xxx>
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On 10/31/2013 01:44 AM, Bryce Salmi wrote:
> I would imagine that if your AMSAT.org email address is public and
> posted online then spammers could email it which then gets forwarded and
> might look like a trusted email to your email provider and not flagged
> as spam.Just a thought.
My amsat.org email address is already public, as evidenced by all the
spam it collects. It's been standard spamming practice for a long time
to connect to mail servers and just run through as many names as
possible in the hopes of finding a few; I'm sure they do that to
amsat.org along with the rest.
But spammers have shown themselves unwilling to spend much, if any, of
their own personal time collecting email addresses. If they can automate
it, they'll do it because the cost is practically zero. If they have to
do it by hand, they won't.
By returning a human-readable (but not machine readable) message to
anyone mailing me at amsat.org, any human who wants to reach me still
can. But the spammers aren't as likely to get it.
It's interesting that even though my current primary email address has
been active for 10 years, and even though it collects plenty of direct
spam, fully 1/4 of all my spam still comes via amsat.org.
Phil
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:36:16 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DSTAR/AMSAT USERS NET tonight
Message-ID:
<695308500.4458611.1383226576391.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxx
xxxx.xxx>
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Amsat users net tonight at 0100 utc on REF 60B on W4LET repeater in
Memphis, TN
https://sites.google.com/site/memphisdstar/d-satellite-amsat-net
DX stations welcomed
Also check www.starcommgroup.org for news and future events coming in 2014
Thanks WA4HFN em55
Damon
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:28:00 -0700
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20131031082426.00c09be0@xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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At 01:22 AM 10/31/2013 -0700, Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
>comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76
>spam emails I've received in the last day.
>
>But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to hear
>from make contact that way. And I've used it to contact others whose
>email addresses I don't know, but who I know to be AMSAT members.
>
>I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of auto-responder
>on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email, returns a message
>to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of the user's actual
>email address, possibly accompanied with a sound file with the same
>information for anyone with impaired vision. Spammers couldn't handle
>it, especially since most don't even use valid return addresses. But any
>real human could resend his email directly to its destination.
>
>What do people think of this idea? How much of a problem is spam for
>everyone else here?
>
>Phil
I'm Hardly getting any spam or fishing through the reflector,
maybe only one or two a week. Whenever anything looks like spam
I check the headers and see if it came through the reflector.
KB7ADL
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:42:48 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <52726C68.1050400@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
i have had my amsat.org redirected email for some 15+ years. i now get
50-100 spam messages per day (as my callsign is pretty active on the
web). since my main email account is with at&t, they use yahoo. all of
the spam goes into through their spam filter and shows up in the spam
folder. should i use mozilla thunderbird to get my email, the spam
filter in thunderbird tags all of it and puts it in the spam filter. i
browse through them just to see if the filter was not to aggressive and
gets rid of an email i want.
it is really no different than when we get some threads going that i do
not want to read and just hit the delete key. a nuisance, yes, but life
goes on.
73...bruce
On 10/31/2013 10:28 AM, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote:
> At 01:22 AM 10/31/2013 -0700, Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
>> comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76
>> spam emails I've received in the last day.
>>
>> But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to hear
>> from make contact that way. And I've used it to contact others whose
>> email addresses I don't know, but who I know to be AMSAT members.
>>
>> I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of auto-responder
>> on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email, returns a message
>> to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of the user's actual
>> email address, possibly accompanied with a sound file with the same
>> information for anyone with impaired vision. Spammers couldn't handle
>> it, especially since most don't even use valid return addresses. But any
>> real human could resend his email directly to its destination.
>>
>> What do people think of this idea? How much of a problem is spam for
>> everyone else here?
>>
>> Phil
>
>
> I'm Hardly getting any spam or fishing through the reflector,
> maybe only one or two a week. Whenever anything looks like spam
> I check the headers and see if it came through the reflector.
>
> KB7ADL
>
> _______________________________________________
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--
Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
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http://www.arrl.org
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:59:28 -0500
From: "Virgil Bierschwale" <vbiersch@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <02a401ced649$cce54fe0$66afefa0$@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Same here.
No spam filters, and a fast delete key.
That way nothing slips through the cracks
Folks, SPAM is no different than the junk mail you receive in the mail, and
needs to be treated the same.
Virgil
N5IVV
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:43 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
i have had my amsat.org redirected email for some 15+ years. i now get
50-100 spam messages per day (as my callsign is pretty active on the web).
since my main email account is with at&t, they use yahoo. all of the spam
goes into through their spam filter and shows up in the spam folder. should
i use mozilla thunderbird to get my email, the spam filter in thunderbird
tags all of it and puts it in the spam filter. i browse through them just to
see if the filter was not to aggressive and gets rid of an email i want.
it is really no different than when we get some threads going that i do not
want to read and just hit the delete key. a nuisance, yes, but life goes on.
73...bruce
On 10/31/2013 10:28 AM, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote:
> At 01:22 AM 10/31/2013 -0700, Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
>> comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the
>> 76 spam emails I've received in the last day.
>>
>> But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to
>> hear from make contact that way. And I've used it to contact others
>> whose email addresses I don't know, but who I know to be AMSAT members.
>>
>> I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of
>> auto-responder on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email,
>> returns a message to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of
>> the user's actual email address, possibly accompanied with a sound
>> file with the same information for anyone with impaired vision.
>> Spammers couldn't handle it, especially since most don't even use
>> valid return addresses. But any real human could resend his email
directly to its destination.
>>
>> What do people think of this idea? How much of a problem is spam for
>> everyone else here?
>>
>> Phil
>
>
> I'm Hardly getting any spam or fishing through the reflector, maybe
> only one or two a week. Whenever anything looks like spam I check the
> headers and see if it came through the reflector.
>
> KB7ADL
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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>
--
Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live
streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at
http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org
AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:35:06 -0700
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20131031091348.00c3aad8@xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 01:22 AM 10/31/2013 -0700, Phil Karn <karn@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
>comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76
>spam emails I've received in the last day.
>
>But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to hear
>from make contact that way. And I've used it to contact others whose
>email addresses I don't know, but who I know to be AMSAT members.
>
>I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of auto-responder
>on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email, returns a message
>to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of the user's actual
>email address, possibly accompanied with a sound file with the same
>information for anyone with impaired vision. Spammers couldn't handle
>it, especially since most don't even use valid return addresses. But any
>real human could resend his email directly to its destination.
>
>What do people think of this idea? How much of a problem is spam for
>everyone else here?
>
>Phil
Maybe I should clarify my last statement. When I was reading Phil's
concern, I was thinking spam through Amsat-bb. I might only see about
one a week that makes it onto the bulletin board.
I have an amsat.org alias, like we all have, but I never use it as
a reply-to address. If someone knows my call, they can tack on
amsat.org and send me an email.
Mindspring/Earthlink my provider, is very pro-active in stopping spam
and viruses. I've never had to setup a kill-filter on my client. I
have a yahoo email account, just to have for yahoo groups. Never ever
used it and it always gets spam in it.
KB7ADL
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:33:50 -0700
From: Jim Walls <jim@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org
Message-ID: <201310311534.r9VFYRjN006049@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account
> comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76
> spam emails I've received in the last day.
Same here. I stopped using my amsat.org address about a decade ago because
it was so badly spammed. It is still a valid address but it forwards to a
separate address on my mail server. I check it every few days. These days,
most of the spam is in Chinese.
Only reason I keep it at all is because that is the address used on several
very old references that I did and I get E-Mail regarding those now and then.
<snip>
> I wonder if it would be possible to set up some sort of auto-responder
> on amsat.org so that instead of just forwarding email, returns a message
> to the sender with a non-machine-readable image of the user's actual
> email address, possibly accompanied with a sound file with the same
> information for anyone with impaired vision. Spammers couldn't handle
> it, especially since most don't even use valid return addresses. But any
> real human could resend his email directly to its destination.
An interesting idea for getting around the spammers... Almost any of the
autoresponders do block most of the spam, but some legit users will also get
blocked.
73
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Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@xxxxx.xxx
Res: 626-914-4641 Ofc: 818-548-4804
Cell: 626-482-0927
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