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Today's Topics:
1. Re: DC and AMSAT Awards (Alan)
2. Another brilliant idea! (DJ Nise)
3. Re: Another brilliant idea! (Ted)
4. Lots Of Rockets, Poor Reliability (B J)
5. Re: Another brilliant idea! (M5AKA)
6. Re: Another brilliant idea! (Angus McLeod)
7. Re: Another brilliant idea! (Ng, Peter)
8. Re: Another brilliant idea! (JoAnne Maenpaa)
9. Re: Another brilliant idea! (Graham Shirville)
10. Re: Odd Question (answer-fixed) (Joe Fitzgerald)
11. D STAR AMSAT NET (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
12. Re: D STAR AMSAT NET (Rob Roschewsk)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:43:25 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Paul Stoetzer'" <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>, <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "'amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, CC
<APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
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Paul,
Life is full of ironies, but sticking with the FCC and ARRL standards
prevents complications and
conflicts. We have enough of those. :) Unlike other non-states which are
recognized, it is
geographically contiguous.
Having grown up nearby in Maryland, with relatives who were born
Washingtonians, I have heard many
heated debates. Some over Thanksgiving dinner. The District has always had
an odd status, neither
fish now fowl, or sometimes a little of both. If the discussion quieted
down, I would suggest that
all the problems could be solved by retro-ceding the District to Maryland.
Then I ducked under the
table.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
<<>>-----Original Message-----
<<>>From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
<<>>[mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer
<<>>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:04 PM
<<>>To: kk5do@xxxxx.xxx
<<>>Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
<<>>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
<<>>
<<>>The Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. all count as
<<>>separate entities
<<>>for these awards as DXCC entities.
<<>>
<<>>I find it ironic that an organization that is incorporated
<<>>in the District
<<>>of Columbia and had it's first headquarters in the District
<<>>of Columbia
<<>>would not recognize that the District of Columbia is a separate and
<<>>distinct entity that is not part of the State of Maryland.
<<>>
<<>>73,
<<>>
<<>>Paul, N8HM
<<>>
<<>>
<<>>On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
<<>>
<<>>> I took over processing the awards for AMSAT over 10 years
<<>>ago and have
<<>>> processed it the same way the previous awards managers had done.
<<>>>
<<>>> You are absolutely correct that DC does not count for
<<>>this award because
<<>>> in creating our award, we used the ARRL worked all states
<<>>award, the RAC
<<>>> worked all provinces award and the DXCC list to create
<<>>our award. There is
<<>>> nothing in any of those awards that include District of
<<>>Columbia and our
<<>>> award does not either.
<<>>>
<<>>> Also, we do not include US Territories such as US Virgin
<<>>Islands, Puerto
<<>>> Rico, and Guam and a couple other islands in our awards.
<<>>>
<<>>> 73...bruce
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> On 9/24/2013 11:24 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
<<>>>
<<>>>> Bruce,
<<>>>>
<<>>>> That an illogical argument. Only three states have their
<<>>own prefixes:
<<>>>> Alaska, Hawaii, and California.
<<>>>>
<<>>>> It also ignores the fact that the District of Columbia
<<>>is not part of
<<>>>> Maryland. Incidentally, DC is the only top-level
<<>>subdivision of the United
<<>>>> States or Canada that does not count as a separate
<<>>entity for this award.
<<>>>>
<<>>>> 73,
<<>>>>
<<>>>> Paul, N8HM
<<>>>>
<<>>>>
<<>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
<<>>>>
<<>>>> If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of
<<>>Columbia with its own
<<>>>>> prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and
<<>>territories then we
<<>>>>> should. However, until they do, it is included as a
<<>>contact for Maryland.
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests.
<<>>>>> Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CY?);
<<>>>>> Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2);
<<>>>>> Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3);
<<>>>>> Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4);
<<>>>>> Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5);
<<>>>>> Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6);
<<>>>>> British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7);
<<>>>>> Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8);
<<>>>>> New Brunswick [NB] (VE9);
<<>>>>> Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2);
<<>>>>> Nunavut [NU] (VY?);
<<>>>>> Yukon [YT] (VY1);
<<>>>>> Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2).
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since
<<>>AMSAT-NA includes
<<>>>>> Canada.
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Hope this helps.
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> 73...bruce
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Good morning,
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR
<<>>Satellite Communications
<<>>>>>> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and
<<>>the OSCAR Century
<<>>>>>> Award.
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact
<<>>is defined as one
<<>>>>>> with
<<>>>>>> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian
<<>>Provience. Once you
<<>>>>>> have a contact with a station in that area, you must
<<>>hunt for another."
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that
<<>>have the RAC
<<>>>>>> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements,
<<>>you may submit a
<<>>>>>> copy
<<>>>>>> of your certificate as proof of working the 13
<<>>Canadian Proviences or 50
<<>>>>>> U.S. States."
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that
<<>>the three
<<>>>>>> territories also count under the definition of
<<>>"province." Similarly, I
<<>>>>>> would argue that the definition of "state" should
<<>>also include the
<<>>>>>> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the
<<>>precedent from
<<>>>>>> counting
<<>>>>>> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate
<<>>entity for the
<<>>>>>> purposes
<<>>>>>> of these awards?
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> 73,
<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
<<>>>>>> Washington, DC
<<>>>>>> AMSAT-NA #38,913
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<<>>>>>>
<<>>>>>> --
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
<<>>>>> AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
<<>>>>> ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
<<>>>>> Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink -
<<>>Conference *AMSAT*
<<>>>>> Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
<<>>>>> Podcast at
<<>>http://www.amsatnet.com/****podcast.xml<http://www.amsatnet.
<<>>com/**podcast.xml>
<<>>>>>
<<>><http://www.**amsatnet.com/podcast.xml<http://www.amsatnet.c
om/podcast.xml>>or
<<>>>>> iTunes
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
<<>>>>> http://www.arrl.org
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>>
<<>>>>> ______________________________**_________________
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<<>>>>
<<>>>
<<>>> --
<<>>>
<<>>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
<<>>> AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
<<>>> ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
<<>>> Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink -
<<>>Conference *AMSAT*
<<>>> Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
<<>>> Podcast at
<<>>http://www.amsatnet.com/**podcast.xml<http://www.amsatnet.co
m/podcast.xml>or iTunes
<<>>> Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
<<>>> http://www.arrl.org
<<>>>
<<>>> AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>>
<<>>_______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:55:23 -0400
From: DJ Nise <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Another brilliant idea!
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I understand that the AmSat BB is 99% serious business. I think it's time to
lighten the mood a bit.
I'm going to (try to) fund a new project. I want to place a satellite with a
full-sized 160m beam into orbit. I want this thing to be "highly polished"
or plated in Chrome. (It will put the Russian "space mirror" to shame), and
be visible during daylight hours.
I think the flares will catch the interest of people, and draw them into
this insane hobby.
How's that for a dumb idea?
(I'll shut up now...)
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:02:34 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'DJ Nise'" <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'amsat bb'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another brilliant idea!
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Lighter if made of balsa and covered in silver Monokote...
TK
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of DJ Nise
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:55 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Another brilliant idea!
I understand that the AmSat BB is 99% serious business. I think it's time to
lighten the mood a bit.
I'm going to (try to) fund a new project. I want to place a satellite with a
full-sized 160m beam into orbit. I want this thing to be "highly polished"
or plated in Chrome. (It will put the Russian "space mirror" to shame), and
be visible during daylight hours.
I think the flares will catch the interest of people, and draw them into
this insane hobby.
How's that for a dumb idea?
(I'll shut up now...)
_______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:17:39 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Lots Of Rockets, Poor Reliability
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http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/09/24/too-many-rockets-not-enough-dependabili
ty/
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:17:49 +0100 (BST)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another brilliant idea!
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> From: DJ Nise
> I'm going to (try to) fund a new project.
> I want to place a satellite with a full-sized 160m beam into orbit.
> ...
> How's that for a dumb idea?
Wonderful, only drawback is that 160m isn't allocated to the Amateur
Satellite Service ;-)
Of course that's true of all the LF allocations. There was an opportunity a
few years ago to fly a 136 kHz payload with a 1 km long antenna but the lack
of Amateur Satellite Service allocations made it a non-starter.
BTW does anyone know if there are any papers relating to the Amateur
Satellite Service being discussed at this weeks IARU Region 2 Conference in
Mexico ?
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:01:28 -0400
From: Angus McLeod <amcleod@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another brilliant idea!
Message-ID: <52420BB8.5010402@xxxx.xxx>
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How many element?
On 09/24/2013 03:55 PM, DJ Nise wrote:
> I want to place a satellite with a full-sized 160m beam into orbit.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:19:58 -0700
From: "Ng, Peter" <Peter.Ng@xxxxx.xx>
To: "'DJ Nise'" <kb1qys@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another brilliant idea!
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Nice! ...may I suggest only the words AMSAT be chrome plated and studded
with bright white LEDs :)
73 peter ve7ngp
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of DJ Nise
Sent: September 24, 2013 12:55
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Another brilliant idea!
I understand that the AmSat BB is 99% serious business. I think it's time to
lighten the mood a bit.
I'm going to (try to) fund a new project. I want to place a satellite with a
full-sized 160m beam into orbit. I want this thing to be "highly polished"
or plated in Chrome. (It will put the Russian "space mirror" to shame), and
be visible during daylight hours.
I think the flares will catch the interest of people, and draw them into
this insane hobby.
How's that for a dumb idea?
(I'll shut up now...)
_______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:20:32 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another brilliant idea!
Message-ID: <005201ceb974$490592d0$db10b870$@xxx>
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> ... full-sized 160m beam into orbit ...
Reminds me of the two antennas who met up on the roof. They fell in
love and got married. The ceremony wasn't much but the reception was
fantastic ...
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:27:41 +0100
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "M5AKA" <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>, "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Another brilliant idea!
Message-ID: <4FC886B7FBB24E99BE69894D4C0564BD@xxxxxxx.xxxxx>
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reply-type=original
Hi Trevor,
Yes we are discussing the removal of the downlink only restriction on 29MHz
and the proposal to permit satellite linear transponder downlinks to operate
at the bottom of the 144MHz band (just 22.5kHz though)
The meeting is still in session at this time
best 73
Graham
XE3/G3VZV
BTW does anyone know if there are any papers relating to the Amateur
Satellite Service being discussed at this weeks IARU Region 2 Conference in
Mexico ?
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:27:25 -0400
From: Joe Fitzgerald <jfitzgerald@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question (answer-fixed)
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On 9/24/2013 10:45 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> Actually the impact concern is the AREA
Which leads to a surprising problem. Suppose a cubesat at the end of
it's mission deploys some sort of sail intended to increase atmospheric
drag and shorten time to re-entry. Good idea right? Maybe not, since
you are potentially increasing the number of square-meter-years in
orbit. From an overall risk perspective, it might be better to leave the
smaller object in orbit longer.
-Joe KM1P
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:44:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] D STAR AMSAT NET
Message-ID:
<2055006593.3662697.1380120259319.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xx
xxxxx.xxx>
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How many satellite ops have D STAR radios ? Join us tomorrow night on REF
60B at 0100 utc
WA4HFN Damon em55
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:32:49 +0000
From: Rob Roschewsk <rob@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR AMSAT NET
Message-ID:
<CAE1O4xrgmRAjG_kpvMsr=3WcqX+NTE89dWzsikAmfH7z5_2Ugw@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Is there a non-proprietary way to join??
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM, <wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> How many satellite ops have D STAR radios ? Join us tomorrow night on REF
> 60B at 0100 utc
> WA4HFN Damon em55
> _______________________________________________
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> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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