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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Odd Question (Franklin Antonio)
2. Re: Odd Question (answer) (Robert Bruninga)
3. DC and AMSAT Awards (Paul Stoetzer)
4. Re: Odd Question (answer) (Davidoff, Martin R.)
5. Re: Odd Question (answer-fixed) (Robert Bruninga)
6. Soyuz Launch Wednesday, September 25 on NASA TV (JoAnne Maenpaa)
7. test (F5GVA Claude)
8. Re: DC and AMSAT Awards (Bruce)
9. Re: DC and AMSAT Awards (Paul Stoetzer)
10. Re: DC and AMSAT Awards (Bruce)
11. Re: DC and AMSAT Awards (Paul Stoetzer)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:29:43 -0700
From: Franklin Antonio <antonio@xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: MICHAEL <mikef1234@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question
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At 09:22 PM 9/23/2013, MICHAEL wrote:
>For the longest time I have been wondering how a satellite is placed in
>orbit without hitting anything else? I have seen pictures of all the stuff
>circling the Earth and it just baffles me how anyone can get anything in
>orbit without hitting anything. Can anyone explain this?
Sure. Those pictures you've been looking at are not drawn to scale.
The dots representing the satellites should be a lot smaller. If
they were, you'd see there's a lot of "space" out there.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:23:40 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question (answer)
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When the Earth image is about 4" across (8,000km), and the satellites are
one pixel across (say .001") then each dot is actually to scale a
spacecraft that is 8km wide. Which is about 8000 times bigger in diameter
than a real spacecraft.
So what you are seeing is what space would look like if every one of our
satellies was the size of a EARTH-KILLER asteroid.
Actually the impact concern is the AREA so in effect, the 8000 times
smaller spacecraft are actually 64,000,000 times smaller in cross section
than the dot on the image. (unless I made a stupid math error).
Bob, Wb4APR
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Franklin Antonio
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:30 AM
To: MICHAEL
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question
At 09:22 PM 9/23/2013, MICHAEL wrote:
>For the longest time I have been wondering how a satellite is placed in
>orbit without hitting anything else? I have seen pictures of all the
>stuff circling the Earth and it just baffles me how anyone can get
>anything in orbit without hitting anything. Can anyone explain this?
Sure. Those pictures you've been looking at are not drawn to scale.
The dots representing the satellites should be a lot smaller. If they
were, you'd see there's a lot of "space" out there.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:13:55 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DC and AMSAT Awards
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Good morning,
I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR Satellite Communications
Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and the OSCAR Century Award.
The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact is defined as one with
a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian Provience. Once you
have a contact with a station in that area, you must hunt for another."
Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that have the RAC
CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements, you may submit a copy
of your certificate as proof of working the 13 Canadian Proviences or 50
U.S. States."
Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that the three
territories also count under the definition of "province." Similarly, I
would argue that the definition of "state" should also include the
District of Columbia as a separate entity since the precedent from counting
the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
Does the District of Columbia count as a separate entity for the purposes
of these awards?
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
Washington, DC
AMSAT-NA #38,913
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:44:30 +0000
From: "Davidoff, Martin R." <MDAVIDOFF@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question (answer)
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I don't know much about colliding dots but ..
The volume of space from surface of earth up to about 200 km is roughly 1 to
the 20th (cubic meters).
The volume of a spherical spacecraft with a diameter of 5 meters (slightly
larger than a cubesat) is about 500 (cubic meters).
Assuming 10,000 of these spacecraft orbiting earth (a bit of an
overestimate) we have a total volume of 5 times 10 to the 6th (cubic meters).
At any instant the chance of randomly introducing a new object into an
occupied position is on the order of 1/2 times 10 to the -13th power.
Of course I have omitted a few important details (and I haven't checked my
arithmetic) but since this is about 10 to the 7th less than the odds of
being hit by lightening if one lives to be 100 I wouldn't worry about it too
much (however, I would take reasonable precautions with lightening).
K2ubc
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:45:24 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question (answer-fixed)
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OOPS... Corrected...
-----------------------
When the Earth image is about 4" across (8,000km), and the satellites are
one pixel across (say .001") then each dot is actually to scale a
spacecraft that is 2km wide. Which is about 4000 times bigger in diameter
than a real spacecraft.
So what you are seeing is what space would look like if every one of our
satellies was the size of a EARTH-KILLER asteroid.
Actually the impact concern is the AREA so in effect, the 4000 times
smaller spacecraft are actually 16,000,000 times smaller in cross section
than the dot on the image. (unless I made another stupid math error).
Bob, Wb4APR
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Franklin Antonio
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:30 AM
To: MICHAEL
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Odd Question
At 09:22 PM 9/23/2013, MICHAEL wrote:
>For the longest time I have been wondering how a satellite is placed in
>orbit without hitting anything else? I have seen pictures of all the
>stuff circling the Earth and it just baffles me how anyone can get
>anything in orbit without hitting anything. Can anyone explain this?
Sure. Those pictures you've been looking at are not drawn to scale.
The dots representing the satellites should be a lot smaller. If they
were, you'd see there's a lot of "space" out there.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:10:17 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Soyuz Launch Wednesday, September 25 on NASA TV
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Here is a bit of time limited news which will occur before the next
news bulletins are released. Astronaut Mike Hopkins, KF5LJG, and
Russian cosmonauts Oleg Kotov and Sergey
Ryzanskiy will liftoff aboard a Soyuz Rocket on Wednesday, September
25.
NASA TV has published this schedule (all times in USA Eastern Daylight
Time UTC-4)
September 25, Wednesday
4 p.m. - ISS Expedition 37/38 Soyuz TMA-10M Launch Coverage (Launch
scheduled at 4:58 p.m. ET; includes video B-roll of the crew's
pre-launch
activities at 4:10 p.m. ET) - JSC via Baikonur, Kazakhstan (All
Channels)
7 p.m. - Video File of ISS Expedition 37/38 Soyuz TMA-10M Pre-Launch,
Launch
Video B-Roll and Post-Launch Interviews - JSC (All Channels)
10 p.m. - ISS Expedition 37/38 Soyuz TMA-10M Docking Coverage (Docking
scheduled at 10:48 p.m. ET) - JSC (All Channels)
September 26, Thursday
12 a.m. - ISS Expedition 37/38 Soyuz TMA-10M Hatch Opening and Other
Activities (Hatch Opening scheduled at 12:25 a.m. ET) - JSC via
Baikonur,
Kazakhstan (All Channels)
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
Editor, AMSAT Journal
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:13:25 +0200
From: "F5GVA Claude" <f5gva-1@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] test
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mail test
73
F5GVA
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:35:46 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
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If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of Columbia with its
own prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and territories
then we should. However, until they do, it is included as a contact for
Maryland.
Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests.
Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CY?);
Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2);
Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3);
Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4);
Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5);
Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6);
British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7);
Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8);
New Brunswick [NB] (VE9);
Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2);
Nunavut [NU] (VY?);
Yukon [YT] (VY1);
Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2).
AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since AMSAT-NA includes
Canada.
Hope this helps.
73...bruce
On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR Satellite Communications
> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and the OSCAR Century Award.
>
> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact is defined as one with
> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian Provience. Once you
> have a contact with a station in that area, you must hunt for another."
>
> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that have the RAC
> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements, you may submit a copy
> of your certificate as proof of working the 13 Canadian Proviences or 50
> U.S. States."
>
> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that the three
> territories also count under the definition of "province." Similarly, I
> would argue that the definition of "state" should also include the
> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the precedent from counting
> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
>
> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate entity for the purposes
> of these awards?
>
> 73,
>
> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
> Washington, DC
> AMSAT-NA #38,913
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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--
Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
http://www.arrl.org
AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:24:49 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: kk5do@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
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Bruce,
That an illogical argument. Only three states have their own prefixes:
Alaska, Hawaii, and California.
It also ignores the fact that the District of Columbia is not part of
Maryland. Incidentally, DC is the only top-level subdivision of the United
States or Canada that does not count as a separate entity for this award.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of Columbia with its own
> prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and territories then we
> should. However, until they do, it is included as a contact for Maryland.
>
> Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests.
> Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CY?);
> Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2);
> Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3);
> Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4);
> Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5);
> Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6);
> British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7);
> Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8);
> New Brunswick [NB] (VE9);
> Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2);
> Nunavut [NU] (VY?);
> Yukon [YT] (VY1);
> Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2).
>
> AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since AMSAT-NA includes
> Canada.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73...bruce
>
>
>
> On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR Satellite Communications
>> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and the OSCAR Century
>> Award.
>>
>> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact is defined as one
>> with
>> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian Provience. Once you
>> have a contact with a station in that area, you must hunt for another."
>>
>> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that have the RAC
>> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements, you may submit a copy
>> of your certificate as proof of working the 13 Canadian Proviences or 50
>> U.S. States."
>>
>> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that the three
>> territories also count under the definition of "province." Similarly, I
>> would argue that the definition of "state" should also include the
>> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the precedent from
>> counting
>> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
>>
>> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate entity for the purposes
>> of these awards?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
>> Washington, DC
>> AMSAT-NA #38,913
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings:
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/amsat-bb>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
> AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
> ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
> Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
> Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
> Podcast at
http://www.amsatnet.com/**podcast.xml<http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml>or
iTunes
> Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
> http://www.arrl.org
>
> AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:56:43 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
Message-ID: <5241C44B.7080407@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I took over processing the awards for AMSAT over 10 years ago and have
processed it the same way the previous awards managers had done.
You are absolutely correct that DC does not count for this award because
in creating our award, we used the ARRL worked all states award, the RAC
worked all provinces award and the DXCC list to create our award. There
is nothing in any of those awards that include District of Columbia and
our award does not either.
Also, we do not include US Territories such as US Virgin Islands, Puerto
Rico, and Guam and a couple other islands in our awards.
73...bruce
On 9/24/2013 11:24 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> That an illogical argument. Only three states have their own prefixes:
> Alaska, Hawaii, and California.
>
> It also ignores the fact that the District of Columbia is not part of
> Maryland. Incidentally, DC is the only top-level subdivision of the United
> States or Canada that does not count as a separate entity for this award.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of Columbia with its own
>> prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and territories then we
>> should. However, until they do, it is included as a contact for Maryland.
>>
>> Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests.
>> Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CY?);
>> Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2);
>> Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3);
>> Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4);
>> Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5);
>> Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6);
>> British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7);
>> Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8);
>> New Brunswick [NB] (VE9);
>> Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2);
>> Nunavut [NU] (VY?);
>> Yukon [YT] (VY1);
>> Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2).
>>
>> AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since AMSAT-NA includes
>> Canada.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> 73...bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR Satellite Communications
>>> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and the OSCAR Century
>>> Award.
>>>
>>> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact is defined as one
>>> with
>>> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian Provience. Once you
>>> have a contact with a station in that area, you must hunt for another."
>>>
>>> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that have the RAC
>>> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements, you may submit a copy
>>> of your certificate as proof of working the 13 Canadian Proviences or 50
>>> U.S. States."
>>>
>>> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that the three
>>> territories also count under the definition of "province." Similarly, I
>>> would argue that the definition of "state" should also include the
>>> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the precedent from
>>> counting
>>> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
>>>
>>> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate entity for the purposes
>>> of these awards?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
>>> Washington, DC
>>> AMSAT-NA #38,913
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings:
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/amsat-bb>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>> AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
>> ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
>> Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
>> Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
>> Podcast at
http://www.amsatnet.com/**podcast.xml<http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml>or
iTunes
>> Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
>> http://www.arrl.org
>>
>> AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News
http://www.arrl.org
AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:03:49 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: kk5do@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards
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The Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. all count as separate entities
for these awards as DXCC entities.
I find it ironic that an organization that is incorporated in the District
of Columbia and had it's first headquarters in the District of Columbia
would not recognize that the District of Columbia is a separate and
distinct entity that is not part of the State of Maryland.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I took over processing the awards for AMSAT over 10 years ago and have
> processed it the same way the previous awards managers had done.
>
> You are absolutely correct that DC does not count for this award because
> in creating our award, we used the ARRL worked all states award, the RAC
> worked all provinces award and the DXCC list to create our award. There is
> nothing in any of those awards that include District of Columbia and our
> award does not either.
>
> Also, we do not include US Territories such as US Virgin Islands, Puerto
> Rico, and Guam and a couple other islands in our awards.
>
> 73...bruce
>
>
> On 9/24/2013 11:24 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> That an illogical argument. Only three states have their own prefixes:
>> Alaska, Hawaii, and California.
>>
>> It also ignores the fact that the District of Columbia is not part of
>> Maryland. Incidentally, DC is the only top-level subdivision of the United
>> States or Canada that does not count as a separate entity for this award.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of Columbia with its own
>>> prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and territories then we
>>> should. However, until they do, it is included as a contact for Maryland.
>>>
>>> Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests.
>>> Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CY?);
>>> Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2);
>>> Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3);
>>> Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4);
>>> Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5);
>>> Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6);
>>> British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7);
>>> Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8);
>>> New Brunswick [NB] (VE9);
>>> Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2);
>>> Nunavut [NU] (VY?);
>>> Yukon [YT] (VY1);
>>> Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2).
>>>
>>> AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since AMSAT-NA includes
>>> Canada.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> 73...bruce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR Satellite Communications
>>>> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and the OSCAR Century
>>>> Award.
>>>>
>>>> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact is defined as one
>>>> with
>>>> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian Provience. Once you
>>>> have a contact with a station in that area, you must hunt for another."
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that have the RAC
>>>> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements, you may submit a
>>>> copy
>>>> of your certificate as proof of working the 13 Canadian Proviences or 50
>>>> U.S. States."
>>>>
>>>> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that the three
>>>> territories also count under the definition of "province." Similarly, I
>>>> would argue that the definition of "state" should also include the
>>>> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the precedent from
>>>> counting
>>>> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear.
>>>>
>>>> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate entity for the
>>>> purposes
>>>> of these awards?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
>>>> Washington, DC
>>>> AMSAT-NA #38,913
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> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
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