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Today's Topics:
1. Re: So Long (R Oler)
2. Re: so long (lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
3. The "Good Ole Days" are now (Les Rayburn)
4. Re: so long (Bryce Salmi)
5. Re: So Long (Joe Leikhim)
6. Re: My Take (Joe Leikhim)
7. Re: so long (M5AKA)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:07:11 +0600
From: R Oler <orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Tom J. Gentry" <t.gentry@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So Long
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One thought is to use expended upper stages as platforms. Robert WB5MZO
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:04 PM, "Tom J. Gentry" <t.gentry@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> While the frustration evidenced in this digest is understandable, perhaps
unknown to us AMSAT are already trying to innovate an alternative to Highly
Elliptical Orbit. Certainly a longer lived orbit would be desirable and a
bird lighter that a P3 sat would perhaps find a cheap ride easier but let us
rethink our path to get to where we want to be. As sure as E=mc^2,
Upmass=$$$$$$$. Even though we started out as hitch hikers to the galaxy,
AMSAT has acquired a significant data base of communications technology that
we will be able to use to get more rides as soon as ITAR gets lifted off our
neck and we can find more programs that can use the AMSAT communications
expertise.
>
> How about a series of cube sats that are placed high enough (or could be
raised to that orbit) to last for awhile? How about we use other people's
bird's after they are through with their experiments and move them up to
longer lasting orbits and reconfigure the comm system (the one we built for
them) to an amateur radio configuration. If each one of these MEO cube sats
lasts long enough to overlap, pretty soon you have a constellation.
>
> I probably will not live to see it complete but that is no reason not to
start. The key is to get long lasting orbits with small sats and lots of
them.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:33 AM, amsat-bb-request@xxxxx.xxx wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: so long (n0jy)
>> 2. Re: so long (Iain Young, G7III)
>> 3. Re: so long (Yanko Yankov)
>> 4. Re: so long (Personal)
>> 5. Re: so long (Patrick Green)
>> 6. Re: so long (Bob- W7LRD)
>> 7. Re: so long (Adrian Engele)
>> 8. Re: so long (i8cvs)
>> 9. Re: so long (Stefan Wagener)
>> 10. Re: so long (Gus)
>> 11. Re: so long (John Spasojevich)
>> 12. Re: so long (Greg D)
>> 13. Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites (MLengruesser@xxx.xxxx
>> 14. Re: so long, try EME (MM)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:19:36 -0500
>> From: n0jy <n0jy@xxxx.xxx>
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <5238AB48.8050507@xxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Dang. Now what are we going to do?
>>
>> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote:
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>> only satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>>> joining AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:45:52 +0100
>> From: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: n0jy <n0jy@xxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <5238B170.6050409@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 17/09/13 20:19, n0jy wrote:
>>
>>> Dang. Now what are we going to do?
>>
>> Eat the fish left behind ? :)
>>
>>
>> 73s
>>
>> Iain
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:46:45 -0500
>> From: Yanko Yankov <samy_b1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: n0jy <n0jy@xxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <6902cb30-2291-4cfa-a0b3-1b9f6b7f7971@xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> I'll tell you what I will do. I'll make me a cup of coffee.
>>
>> Yanko,NX9G
>>
>> n0jy <n0jy@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> Dang. Now what are we going to do?
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote:
>>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>>> only satellite
>>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>>>> joining AMSAT
>>>> in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>> author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
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>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> author.
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>>> program!
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>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:12:00 -0500
>> From: Personal <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <45B86821-7D94-4AFB-A36E-DCF926BABA56@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a
signal 6 feet underground?
>>
>> If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or
win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans
launch P3D...it's been sitting around.
>>
>> Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for
the example.
>>
>> John AG9D
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
only satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
joining AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:14:01 -0400
>> From: Patrick Green <pagreen@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAAhWhXTv22esZdOZf160MAtj=o4TGwELOt2BpKMHH5zoYM36hw@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF? Any mode that requires
>> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way. I'm sure you've
>> experienced this on repeaters if you used them. Perhaps we need a
>> kickstarter for the launch of P3E.
>>
>> 73
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only
>>> satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining
>>> AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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/amsat-bb>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Patrick Green
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Personal <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID:
>>
<589413027.1807382.1379449548845.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxx
xxx.xxx>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer!
>> 73 Bob W7LRD
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Personal" <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:12:00 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>>
>> How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a
signal 6 feet underground?
>>
>> If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or
win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans
launch P3D...it's been sitting around.
>>
>> Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for
the example.
>>
>> John AG9D
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
only satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
joining AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the____________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Adrian Engele <aa5uk@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Patrick Green <pagreen@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID:
>> <1379451181.79114.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Like this Kickstarter project which was underfunded :
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597141632/cat-a-thruster-for-interplanetar
y-cubesats
>>
>> We hope.
>>
>> 73, Adrian AA5UK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Patrick Green <pagreen@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:14 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF?? Any mode that requires
>>> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way.? I'm sure you've
>>> experienced this on repeaters if you used them.? Perhaps we need a
>>> kickstarter for the launch of P3E.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only
>>>> satellite
>>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
joining
>>>> AMSAT
>>>> in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>>>> Subscription settings:
http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo
/amsat-bb>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Patrick Green
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:02:52 +0200
>> From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
>> To: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
>> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Martha" <martha@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <000a01ceb3fa$0cb44620$0401a8c0@xxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>>
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> John
>> Hi John,W0JAB
>>
>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
>> his policy with only FM satellites.
>>
>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
>> future.
>>
>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
>> it was very nice until lasted.
>>
>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
>> membership.
>>
>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
>> money reward.
>>
>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
>> ways communications between continents was not a
>> satisfactory task.
>>
>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>>
>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:27:37 -0500
>> From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
>> Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, John Becker
>> <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAKu8kHDSxQNmagn=V4FFNvXJu6060Bd1-u5VX1EmubRPcq6BDw@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Domenico,
>>
>> I am not sure if I understand your post:
>>
>> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO
>> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my
>> previous not covered years of membership."
>>
>> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate
>> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly
>> it.
>>
>> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles
>> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward."
>>
>> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to
>> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid!
>>
>> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to
>> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly.
>>
>> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post:
>>
>> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community.
>> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies,
>> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an
>> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime."
>>
>> Rest my case,
>>
>> Stefan VE4NSA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>>> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>>>
>>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>>>> happens.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>> Hi John,W0JAB
>>>
>>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
>>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
>>> his policy with only FM satellites.
>>>
>>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
>>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
>>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
>>> future.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
>>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
>>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
>>> it was very nice until lasted.
>>>
>>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
>>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
>>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
>>> membership.
>>>
>>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
>>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
>>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
>>> money reward.
>>>
>>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
>>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
>>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
>>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
>>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
>>> ways communications between continents was not a
>>> satisfactory task.
>>>
>>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>>>
>>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:17:47 -0400
>> From: Gus <amcleod@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <5238AADB.6090201@xxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> John,
>>
>> 1) I too pine for the HEO birds.
>>
>> 2) I have little interest in single-channel FM-only satellites
>>
>> But!
>>
>> 1) LEO birds are better than no birds at all. The early OSCARS were all
>> LEO and without the learning curve they provided, we would probably
>> never have launched AO-10 and AO-13. The challenges nowadays may be
>> different (financial rather than technological) but in time we will
>> hopefully overcome them.
>>
>> 2) From what I gather simply by reading this list, the majority of
>> transponders flying are linear (NOT single-channel FM) and the same is
>> true for the majority of transponders in the pipe.
>>
>> I respect your decision to drop out of the list and wish you well.
>>
>> Regards...
>>
>> --
>> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
>> Barbados, the easternmost isle.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/17/2013 02:58 PM, John Becker wrote:
>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>> only satellite
>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>>> joining AMSAT
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:23:59 -0500
>> From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, John Becker
>> <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+qbou4F6hDXcCpJ61zO4m2XwXdKQoZ3WS0JnAVFzSbPrVvycA@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Stefan, I second the comments .
>>
>> I brace myself every time I go to a hamfest to represent AMSAT. I would
>> say I spend 75% of my time getting told that we are a bunch of morons and
>> how the person complaining used to be a member but will never join again
>> because we don't have a HEO bird. I spend time, politely too, with them
>> explaining the world has changed in terms of launch cost and ask them if
>> they have any ideas on how we can raise the money, that usually sends them
>> on their way.
>>
>> I came to a great revelation this year looking back on my time as a club
>> president, secretary and one of the 10% that actually does something other
>> than complain and came to the conclusion that 75% of the rank and file hams
>> want to open a box, sit in a chair, plug it in and yak in a microphone and
>> complain. The other 25% are involved in experimentation, construction,
>> education and pushing the service forward.
>>
>> The last time I checked, moaning and complaining to another ham who does
>> nothing but complain doesn't get anything done. I should think that if
>> there was anyone reading this mail service that had $10M to spare, they
>> would have bought the launch by now. But go ahead and keep crying to the
>> same group, maybe there's a recent lottery winner here.
>>
>> John AG9D
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Domenico,
>>>
>>> I am not sure if I understand your post:
>>>
>>> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO
>>> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my
>>> previous not covered years of membership."
>>>
>>> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate
>>> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to
fly
>>> it.
>>>
>>> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical
articles
>>> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward."
>>>
>>> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to
>>> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid!
>>>
>>> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to
>>> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly.
>>>
>>> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post:
>>>
>>> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community.
>>> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies,
>>> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how
an
>>> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime."
>>>
>>> Rest my case,
>>>
>>> Stefan VE4NSA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>>>> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>>>>
>>>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>>>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
>>>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
>>>>> happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>> Hi John,W0JAB
>>>>
>>>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
>>>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
>>>> his policy with only FM satellites.
>>>>
>>>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
>>>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
>>>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
>>>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
>>>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
>>>> it was very nice until lasted.
>>>>
>>>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
>>>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
>>>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
>>>> membership.
>>>>
>>>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
>>>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
>>>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
>>>> money reward.
>>>>
>>>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
>>>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
>>>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
>>>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
>>>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
>>>> ways communications between continents was not a
>>>> satisfactory task.
>>>>
>>>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>>>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>>>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>>>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>>>>
>>>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:00:34 -0700
>> From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
>> Cc: Amsat BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
>> Message-ID: <52392562.5050007@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>
>> I made my first satellite contact in 1993, a year after I was first
>> licensed. That first contact was due to a lot of elmering by Walt,
>> KA6VNU, and the skill of Mel, KW7E, on the other end of the contact.
>> Since then I have made countless contacts on my own, elmered others
>> through their first contacts, and learned something from each and every
>> one. New puzzles were answered by the many generous and knowledgeable
>> participants in this buible experience, and it's not over yet.
>>
>> I hardly call that "nothing".
>>
>> Greg KO6TH
>>
>>
>> i8cvs wrote:
>>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
>>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
>>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
>>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: MLengruesser@xxx.xxx
>> To: les@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites
>> Message-ID: <25af8.1712edd.3f6af9d6@xxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Les,.
>>
>>
>> I know this and I think we do a good job of 365/7/24 with our antenna in
>> Bochum.
>> We receive and deliver realtime raw data to NASA / NOAA for the Stereo A /
>> B project
>> Look on the following webpages
>> http://amsat-dl.org/index.php/news-mainmenu-97/194-stereo-turbo-amsateng
>> http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/beacon_coverage.shtml
>> http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/
>> http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/index.shtml
>>
>> vy 73,
>>
>> Michael R. Lengruesser, DD5ER
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> AMSAT-DL e.V.
>> -- International Satellites for Communication,
>> Science and Education --
>> mlengruesser@xxxxxxxx.xxx
>> http://www.amsat-dl.org
>>
>>
>>
>> In einer eMail vom 18.09.2013 01:12:03 Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit schreibt
>> les@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
>>
>> MIT Study of interest to the satellite community:
>> http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> 73,
>>
>> Les Rayburn, N1LF
>> 121 Mayfair Park
>> Maylene, AL 35114
>> EM63nf
>>
>> 6M VUCC #1712
>> AMSAT #38965
>> Grid Bandits #222
>> Southeastern VHF Society
>> Central States VHF Society Life Member
>> Six Club #2484
>>
>> Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: MM <ka1rrw@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
>> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long, try EME
>> Message-ID:
>> <1379511235.53461.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> EME is a
>> good replacement (JT65)
>> ?
>> There are no
>> borders.
>> There is no
>> politics (no one owns the Moon).
>> There are no
>> Satellite managers to control which mode is enabled or disabled.
>> No person
>> can hog the whole repeater.
>> The Moon is
>> usable 2+ weeks contiguous per month.
>> In most countries
>> you can run your countries legal limit.
>> It?s much
>> further away and thus a greater challenge.
>> You do not
>> need to join a club.
>> ?
>> And the list
>> goes on.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:58 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
>>
>>
>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
>> only satellite
>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
>> joining AMSAT
>> in the first place.
>>
>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>>
>> John
>> _______________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:48 -0400
From: lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
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On 17 Sep 2013 at 13:58, John Becker wrote:
> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
> only satellite
> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
> joining AMSAT
> in the first place.
>
> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
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For the record there is some lower cost affordable launch capabilities just
read below:
The primary payload is the Cygnus Mass Simulator (CMS), it has a height of
199.25 inches (5,061 mm), a diameter of 114 inches (2,900 mm)
and a mass of 8,400 pounds (3,800 kg).[8] It is equipped with 22
accelerometers, 2 microphones, 12 digital thermometers, 24 thermocouples
and 12 strain gages.
The secondary payloads are four CubeSats that were deployed from the
CMS.Three of them are PhoneSats, 1U CubeSats built by NASA's Ames
Research Center. These are named Alexander, Graham and Bell, after the
inventor of the telephone.The purpose of these three satellites is
to demonstrate the use of smart phones as avionics in Cube Sats. They each
have a mass of 2.48 pounds (1.124 kg) and are powered by lithium
batteries. The fourth nanosat is a 3U CubeSat, called Dove-1, built by
Cosmogia Inc. It carries a "technology development Earth imagery
experiment" using the Earth's magnetic field for attitude control.
Is it possible to carry P3E? numerous test launch use dummy mass why not
launching one bigger satellite instead of a bunch of small one?
As for the debate LEO vs HEO those who vote in favor of HEO are waiting out
of AMSAT watching the 10 minuts LEO'S going up and down as the
Jolly Jumper does.
Is it better than nothing else?
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:31:54 -0500
From: Les Rayburn <les@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] The "Good Ole Days" are now
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Like many hams (I suspect), I dreamed of working satellites for decades.
Followed them with at least a passing interest but always seemed to put
them off till "someday". Even during the craze of the "work satellites
with your handheld", I was distracted by other priorities. When I got
involved in VHF/UHF a few years ago, and purchased an Icom IC-910H, I
kept thinking I'd finally pull the trigger. But years passed without
anything other than weak-signal contacts being made on that rig.
A few months ago, I finally decided to give it a try. Downloaded
SATPC32, and updated my keps. FO-29 was the next satellite coming my
way, so when I was inside the footprint, I tuned around a bit, and found
some stations coming in. Cool! I was actually hearing hams on
satellite---next up was answering a CQ...nervously I pushed the PTT on
the mic.
82 grids and a few hundred contacts later, I'm having a ball!
I don't miss the birds that came before, but just enjoy what we have
now. My only complaint might be that more folks are not active on F0-29
and VO-52. Even SO-50 can be nearly empty after midnight.
My understanding is that within the next year we'll have 2 or 3 more
linear LEO satellites, and possibly another FM bird, right? While we may
not work a lot of DX on those, we should get to the point where no one
has to wait long for "something" to be overhead. That's exciting to me!
AMSAT is staffed with wonderful volunteers, and seems to be doing great
work. I'm thrilled to be a member, even if it is #38965.
The good ole days are now. Get on the birds and make some contacts. I
need your grid! (ha, ha)
--
--
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 35114
EM63nf
6M VUCC #1712
AMSAT #38965
Grid Bandits #222
Southeastern VHF Society
Central States VHF Society Life Member
Six Club #2484
Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:53:08 -0700
From: Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx>
To: lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx
Cc: Amsat BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
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The mass simulator was likely used to give accurate data for the launch
vehicles performance (inaugural flight of Antares) for the launch of the
actual Cygnus spacecraft. While yes, you could pound for pound replaced the
mass simulator with something like P3E, you wouldn't get the data Orbital
was looking for. Those sensors attached to the Mass simulator allows
Orbital to obtain flight information of environments such as vibrations,
temperatures, shocks, etc. that can be used to better calibrate ground
testing of the real spacecraft. I find it hard to believe they would easily
swap the mass simulator out for something like P3E since the goal was to
better understand environments that Cygnus would actually see.
Bryce
KB1LQC
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:31 AM, <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2013 at 13:58, John Becker wrote:
>
> > I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
> > only satellite
> > attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other
> > joining AMSAT
> > in the first place.
> >
> > Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens.
> >
> > John
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> For the record there is some lower cost affordable launch capabilities
> just read below:
>
> The primary payload is the Cygnus Mass Simulator (CMS), it has a height of
> 199.25 inches (5,061 mm), a diameter of 114 inches (2,900 mm)
> and a mass of 8,400 pounds (3,800 kg).[8] It is equipped with 22
> accelerometers, 2 microphones, 12 digital thermometers, 24 thermocouples
> and 12 strain gages.
>
> The secondary payloads are four CubeSats that were deployed from the
> CMS.Three of them are PhoneSats, 1U CubeSats built by NASA's Ames
> Research Center. These are named Alexander, Graham and Bell, after the
> inventor of the telephone.The purpose of these three satellites is
> to demonstrate the use of smart phones as avionics in Cube Sats. They each
> have a mass of 2.48 pounds (1.124 kg) and are powered by lithium
> batteries. The fourth nanosat is a 3U CubeSat, called Dove-1, built by
> Cosmogia Inc. It carries a "technology development Earth imagery
> experiment" using the Earth's magnetic field for attitude control.
>
> Is it possible to carry P3E? numerous test launch use dummy mass why not
> launching one bigger satellite instead of a bunch of small one?
>
> As for the debate LEO vs HEO those who vote in favor of HEO are waiting
> out of AMSAT watching the 10 minuts LEO'S going up and down as the
> Jolly Jumper does.
>
> Is it better than nothing else?
>
>
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:15:51 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So Long
Message-ID: <523A1807.1030007@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Along the same thinking, sequentially launched flotillas of MEO cubesats
with identical linear transponders, each with GPS derived local oscillator.
If done correctly, antennas phased alike, the power from two or more would
be additive and the uplinks would provide diversity. Like Project Westford
Needles dipole experiment, but having system gain.
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:42:32 -0500
> From: "Tom J. Gentry" <t.gentry@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So Long
> Message-ID: <769DA5E9-2900-4D29-86FB-C55EADD22BD5@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> While the frustration evidenced in this digest is understandable, perhaps
unknown to us AMSAT are already trying to innovate an alternative to Highly
Elliptical Orbit. Certainly a longer lived orbit would be desirable and a
bird lighter that a P3 sat would perhaps find a cheap ride easier but let us
rethink our path to get to where we want to be. As sure as E=mc^2,
Upmass=$$$$$$$. Even though we started out as hitch hikers to the galaxy,
AMSAT has acquired a significant data base of communications technology that
we will be able to use to get more rides as soon as ITAR gets lifted off our
neck and we can find more programs that can use the AMSAT communications
expertise.
>
> How about a series of cube sats that are placed high enough (or could be
raised to that orbit) to last for awhile? How about we use other people's
bird's after they are through with their experiments and move them up to
longer lasting orbits and reconfigure the comm system (the one we built for
them) to an amateur radio configuration. If each one of these MEO cube sats
lasts long enough to overlap, pretty soon you have a constellation.
>
> I probably will not live to see it complete but that is no reason not to
start. The key is to get long lasting orbits with small sats and lots of
them.
>
> Sent from my iPad
--
Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
JLeikhim@xxxxxxx.xxx
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:23:21 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: My Take
Message-ID: <523A19C9.9070001@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Has there been any though about a mailing to some of these thousands of
past AMSAT "alumni" who are not "SK", to try to get them interested in
rejoining and contributing to future projects? No doubt a few are still
active on the sats, others may be interested in future endeavors.
This might take some work finding correct addresses.
--
Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
JLeikhim@xxxxxxx.xxx
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:44:12 +0100 (BST)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xxx <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>,
"AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long
Message-ID:
<1379540652.70207.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> From: "lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> For the record there is some lower cost affordable launch capabilities
just read below:
> The
primary payload is the Cygnus Mass Simulator (CMS) ...
> ...
> The secondary payloads are four
CubeSats that were deployed from the CMS.Three of them are PhoneSats,
> 1U
CubeSats built by NASA's Ames Research Center.
> Is
it possible to carry P3E? numerous test launch use dummy mass why not
launching one bigger satellite instead
> of a bunch of small one?
> As
for the debate LEO vs HEO those who vote in favor of HEO are waiting
out of AMSAT watching the 10 minuts
> LEO'S going up and down as the Jolly Jumper does.
If only, I suspect there may be issues with the fact that P3E carries a
motor and explosive fuel. CubeSat's are passive and sealed inside the
deployment Pod, they present no safety risk to a launch.
I'm sure every single AMSAT-NA Board member would love to see a linear
transponder satellite in HEO. It all comes back to money, $10 million is
needed to launch P3E and further $10 million would be needed for it's
replacement 10 years later to ensure continuity of service. However, in the
years to come another approach may be feasible - a 3U CubeSat with
deployable solar panels, antennas and an ion motor, but it will take many
years and several launches to develop and test the new technologies required
to achieve that.
Raising $10 million is probably beyond what can be done on Kickstarter, only
one project which had mass appeal has ever raised that kind of funding.
Getting up to $250,000 on Kickstarter may just about be feasible, enough for
a 3U CubeSat in a low 700 km orbit, but I'd suggest larger amounts are out
of the question.
Meanwhile, let's hope some opportunities arise to fly amateur transponder
packages on commercial or research satellites going to MEO or GEO.
73 Trevor M5AKA
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