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Today's Topics:
1. Re: HEO satellite Haiku poem (Alan)
2. ISS HamTV, yikes I am late (Robert C. Campbell)
3. Re: A0 40 replacement (n0jy)
4. Re: A0 40 replacement (Jim Jerzycke)
5. Re: A0 40 replacement (Paul Stoetzer)
6. Re: ISS HamTV, yikes I am late (Stefan Wagener)
7. Re: AO-40 Replacement (Clint Bradford)
8. Re: AO-40 Replacement (Clint Bradford)
9. Re: AO-40 Replacement (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: A0 40 replacement (Gus)
11. Re: HEO satellite Haiku poem (Gus)
12. Re: AO-40 Replacement (John Stephensen)
13. Re: HEO satellite Haiku poem (Stefan Wagener)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:44:07 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clayton Coleman'" <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO satellite Haiku poem
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Clayton,
Amateurish, but at least you didn't ham it up.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
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Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO satellite Haiku poem
AO-40 premature death
Sob-sob Boo-hoo
I want, I want, I want.
(amateurish, I know)
73
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:46:37 -0400
From: "Robert C. Campbell" <kb3pmr@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS HamTV, yikes I am late
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Fantastic job Fabiano CT7ABD.
Elmer's Wanted, I am ready to make the final connections to my station
after months of hard work.
So much hard work and U$D that I don't want to let the smoke out of the
box inadvertently tho I am keeping the halon extinguisher handy.Seems a
shame to go this far and be reluctant to plug it in.
Equipment is as follows:
HP AMD 64 Pavilion with windows vista business
2.4 meter dish mounted on 8 foot tower section, with az and el rotors and
home brew 12 turn 2.4GHz helical at focal point. Model 2400 High Siera
HamTV-Down Converter
TBS-8920 PCI-DVB-S and S2 TV Tuner Card.......got the technotrend from
Europe but had to send it back as it was defective. If this happens to you
don't use US mail system. TBS-8920 is running on Media Portal - TVServer
Software.
Questions or settings:
What DIsEQC,
What KU-band..circular..universal..stacked..legacy...custom
What override default lnb freq.... LOF1........mhz, LOF2 ....mhz
What Switch LMBSw.......mhz
Freqency ........mhz
Symbol rate....
Polirization...none,h, v, or circular..left or right
Inner FEC Rate....in fractions
Pilot, on, off, not set, not defined
Roll off... not set, not defined, .20, .25, .35
The DVB-S should also be able to power the down converter via the DISeQC
but what one..
Simple a, simple b, Level 1aa, Level 1ab, Level 1ba, Level BB, or none
Any help requested would be appreciated. If you must blast please off the
amsat site..use KB3PMR@xxxxx.xxx. Show up and make it work and I will cook
the steak. I would offer valuable gifts and prizes but but I need to save
up for domestic abuse claims by being preoccupied with this for the last 4
month.
Bob
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 18:47:57 -0500
From: n0jy <n0jy@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
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Hi John,
The reason that Fox-1 is an FM transponder is because it was designed to
be a quick replacement for the popular AO-51.
The move to a linear transponder in our first cubesat will require time,
and learning. Boy, if we could work together with other hams around the
world to learn and design bigger and better things... but we can't. So
we're going to have to learn it ourselves, and Fox-1 also provides a
step in that direction. Take my word for it, building a reliable, long
life cubesat is not as easy as it sounds. If I recall correctly though,
the original idea was for a linear transponder and that is still the
longer term goal for the Fox series. Fox 2, after learning from the
successes or failures in Fox-1, will be that.
And I speak only from what I have learned from reading and being
involved in AMSAT. I am not a spokesperson, and everything I am saying
is public knowledge that was available to everyone here. This story has
been told before...
Jerry
On 9/4/2013 5:53 PM, tosca005@xxx.xxx wrote:
> As long as AMSAT-NA needs to concentrate on 1U/3U/6U Cubesats for the
> immediatee future, I would really like to see the pursuit of linear
> transponders on them instead of single-channel FM repeaters. The way I
> see it, launch opportunities are so rare that we ought to fly the most
> capable equipment we can on those rare occasions when we can get a
> launch.
>
> John Toscano
> W0JT
> Amsat-Na LM#2292
>
> On Sep 4 2013, n0jy wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I would not say that AMSAT has abandoned HEO. Rather, launch
>> opportunities that exist now are being utilized. Would you rather
>> sit dormant and let all existing birds fail or re-enter while waiting
>> for an HEO opportunity?
>> And AMSAT is just learning to build cubesats. For AMSAT-NA, Fox-1 is
>> a first. If we're going to fly HEO, we had better be good at
>> building a reliable satellite in a cubesat (be it 1, 3, or 6U)
>> format. The first HEO launch opportunity is not the time to figure
>> that out!
>> While HEO launch opportunities do not exist now, but that does not
>> mean that AMSAT isn't pursuing them as Drew pointed out, nor that
>> AMSAT would not build an HEO satellite when opportunities do come. In
>> the meantime, we are making lemonade and preparing through practice.
>>
>> Jerry
>> N0JY
>>
>> On 9/4/2013 4:25 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> I'm almost fifty one years old and I'm now convinced that we will
>>> not see another HEO in orbit in my lifetime...if ever. The economic
>>> environment to do it just doesn't exist anymore. AMSAT has as much
>>> as told everyone that by abandoning their efforts and concentrating
>>> on LEO cubesats. No one is going to come out and say that we
>>> absolutely will never have one, they like to keep that glimmer of
>>> hope alive but the writing is on the wall. No one wants to be
>>> wrong more than I do but I'd bet you P3-E never flies.
>>> 73,
>>> Michael, W4HIJ
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2013 3:32 PM, John Becker wrote:
>>>> Anything new on a replacement.
>>>> Have not see a thing myself.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 23:49:20 +0000
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
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I agree with John 100%!
73, Jim KQ6EA
On 09/04/2013 10:53 PM, tosca005@xxx.xxx wrote:
> As long as AMSAT-NA needs to concentrate on 1U/3U/6U Cubesats for the
> immediatee future, I would really like to see the pursuit of linear
> transponders on them instead of single-channel FM repeaters. The way I
> see it, launch opportunities are so rare that we ought to fly the most
> capable equipment we can on those rare occasions when we can get a
> launch.
>
> John Toscano
> W0JT
> Amsat-Na LM#2292
>
> On Sep 4 2013, n0jy wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I would not say that AMSAT has abandoned HEO. Rather, launch
>> opportunities that exist now are being utilized. Would you rather
>> sit dormant and let all existing birds fail or re-enter while waiting
>> for an HEO opportunity?
>> And AMSAT is just learning to build cubesats. For AMSAT-NA, Fox-1 is
>> a first. If we're going to fly HEO, we had better be good at
>> building a reliable satellite in a cubesat (be it 1, 3, or 6U)
>> format. The first HEO launch opportunity is not the time to figure
>> that out!
>> While HEO launch opportunities do not exist now, but that does not
>> mean that AMSAT isn't pursuing them as Drew pointed out, nor that
>> AMSAT would not build an HEO satellite when opportunities do come. In
>> the meantime, we are making lemonade and preparing through practice.
>>
>> Jerry
>> N0JY
>>
>> On 9/4/2013 4:25 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> I'm almost fifty one years old and I'm now convinced that we will
>>> not see another HEO in orbit in my lifetime...if ever. The economic
>>> environment to do it just doesn't exist anymore. AMSAT has as much
>>> as told everyone that by abandoning their efforts and concentrating
>>> on LEO cubesats. No one is going to come out and say that we
>>> absolutely will never have one, they like to keep that glimmer of
>>> hope alive but the writing is on the wall. No one wants to be
>>> wrong more than I do but I'd bet you P3-E never flies.
>>> 73,
>>> Michael, W4HIJ
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2013 3:32 PM, John Becker wrote:
>>>> Anything new on a replacement.
>>>> Have not see a thing myself.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:57:14 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
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As I see it, AMSAT has two things that need to be publicized to the ham
community:
1. Antennas are small. More and more hams face antenna restrictions and
many seem to drop out rather than adapt. A decent LEO V/U antenna doesn't
need to be any bigger than a TV yagi. It would be pretty easy to disguise a
LEO V/U antenna as a TV yagi. A decent L/S antenna system for a future HEO
could be nearly as unobtrusive as a DTV dish.
As I've stated before, my current LEO setup is completely portable. I walk
outside, work a pass of AO-7, VO-52, FO-29, or SO-50 with the radios and
accessories in a small bag carried around my neck and the Arrow antenna in
my hand, and walk back inside when the pass is over. I get a lot of weird
looks, but it works, and it's completely antenna-restriction proof.
2. The next two solar cycles are predicted to be pretty bad. That's great
for AMSAT! Solar flares and CMEs aren't good for satellites anyway and we
don't need sunspots to work through them. 80 and 160 will be pretty good
and we should have another MF and LF band soon, but see item 1 about the
problem with that!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > I would not say that AMSAT has abandoned HEO. Rather, launch
> > opportunities that exist now are being utilized. Would you rather sit
> > dormant and let all existing birds fail or re-enter while waiting for an
> > HEO opportunity?
> > And AMSAT is just learning to build cubesats. For AMSAT-NA, Fox-1 is a
> > first. If we're going to fly HEO, we had better be good at building a
> > reliable satellite in a cubesat (be it 1, 3, or 6U) format. The first
> HEO
> > launch opportunity is not the time to figure that out!
> > While HEO launch opportunities do not exist now, but that does not mean
> > that AMSAT isn't pursuing them as Drew pointed out, nor that AMSAT would
> > not build an HEO satellite when opportunities do come. In the meantime,
> we
> > are making lemonade and preparing through practice.
>
>
> I cannot agree with this more. The reality is that LEO launch opportunities
> exist right now for an affordable price that AMSAT can pay (free to ~$150K)
> for satellites that are 1U cubesats. Any larger and it becomes much more
> expensive. AMSAT could potentially pull of a HEO launch if a 3U or so
> cubesat but I would imagine a decently sized fundraising campaign would be
> needed to approach that. Anything bigger than cubesats is likely out of the
> range of an organization such as AMSAT for a while (Unless reusable launch
> vehicles becomes a reality <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t15vP1PyoA>).
>
> There's a silver lining that people are neglecting (and those of us
> volunteering for AMSAT should probably do a better job publicizing
> this...). This silver lining is that without necessity, technology would
> never move forward. We are now forced to build LEO cubesats if we want to
> fly anything soon. That's a fact of life. By developing a reliable cubesat
> that is technology dense with smaller components and systems on a chip and
> placing it into LEO we obtain a flight heritage and incremental
> improvements with design. This also gives volunteers/engineers the
> experience with the satellite design. *There is merit in attempting to pack
> all the technology that is found on a traditional HEO bird into a small
> cubesat*. I mean seriously, we have smartphones nowadays that are faster
> than supercomputers were just several decades ago.
>
> When that HEO opportunity comes up.* A proven LEO satellite with flight
> heritage will be much more reliable and economical to upgrade for the
> task*.
> It is for this reason that the path AMSAT-NA is currently embarking on is a
> very smart one for the current aerospace industry. Any Fox satellite
> designed and operated for it's 5+ year mission will give a huge leap of
> flight heritage to the design, especially in regards to radiation and
> environmental concerns. A HEO satellite will need to be extremely robust,
> more so than LEO as it will experience more radiation.
>
> So LEO satellites are fun to most of us but they do offer an extremely
> limited usable pass,even at best (especially FM). However, there are many
> subsystems on an FM LEO that would be very similar to a Linear Transponder
> HEO satellite.* You still need a computer (IHU), you still need a solar
> converter (MPPT), you still need to support any experiments (cameras,
> sensors, etc). So, by having a reliable and flight proven LEO family of
> satellites, you just set yourself up for a HEO mission with limited
> redesign.*
>
> This also plays into the whole role of launch providers. Just because you
> can afford a launch doesn't mean you will get it. Let's say AMSAT obtained
> a ride to GTO on the next Direct TV satellite to launch. Direct TV is the
> primary payload and any secondary payloads MUST prove that they will not in
> any way jeapordize the primary payload. If AMSAT was unable to prove that
> its satellite will not affect the primary payload, AMSAT would likely not
> get to fly.
>
> Anyways, these are my thoughts on the issue. I'll toy around with the idea
> of getting some better material for the AMSAT-NA website to explain some of
> the difficulties AMSAT faces. There really is a need for a better
> explanation so we can avoid consistently explaining similar responses to
> similar questions.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Bryce
> KB1LQC
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:09 PM, n0jy <n0jy@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I would not say that AMSAT has abandoned HEO. Rather, launch
> > opportunities that exist now are being utilized. Would you rather sit
> > dormant and let all existing birds fail or re-enter while waiting for an
> > HEO opportunity?
> > And AMSAT is just learning to build cubesats. For AMSAT-NA, Fox-1 is a
> > first. If we're going to fly HEO, we had better be good at building a
> > reliable satellite in a cubesat (be it 1, 3, or 6U) format. The first
> HEO
> > launch opportunity is not the time to figure that out!
> > While HEO launch opportunities do not exist now, but that does not mean
> > that AMSAT isn't pursuing them as Drew pointed out, nor that AMSAT would
> > not build an HEO satellite when opportunities do come. In the meantime,
> we
> > are making lemonade and preparing through practice.
> >
> > Jerry
> > N0JY
> >
> >
> > On 9/4/2013 4:25 PM, Michael wrote:
> >
> >> I'm almost fifty one years old and I'm now convinced that we will not
> see
> >> another HEO in orbit in my lifetime...if ever. The economic
> environment to
> >> do it just doesn't exist anymore. AMSAT has as much as told everyone
> that
> >> by abandoning their efforts and concentrating on LEO cubesats. No one
> is
> >> going to come out and say that we absolutely will never have one, they
> like
> >> to keep that glimmer of hope alive but the writing is on the wall. No
> one
> >> wants to be wrong more than I do but I'd bet you P3-E never flies.
> >> 73,
> >> Michael, W4HIJ
> >>
> >> On 9/3/2013 3:32 PM, John Becker wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anything new on a replacement.
> >>> Have not see a thing myself.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 19:02:31 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Robert C. Campbell" <kb3pmr@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV, yikes I am late
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Great Bob!
Out of curiosity, what is your az/el rotor?
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Robert C. Campbell <kb3pmr@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Fantastic job Fabiano CT7ABD.
> Elmer's Wanted, I am ready to make the final connections to my station
> after months of hard work.
> So much hard work and U$D that I don't want to let the smoke out of the
> box inadvertently tho I am keeping the halon extinguisher handy.Seems a
> shame to go this far and be reluctant to plug it in.
> Equipment is as follows:
> HP AMD 64 Pavilion with windows vista business
> 2.4 meter dish mounted on 8 foot tower section, with az and el rotors and
> home brew 12 turn 2.4GHz helical at focal point. Model 2400 High Siera
> HamTV-Down Converter
> TBS-8920 PCI-DVB-S and S2 TV Tuner Card.......got the technotrend from
> Europe but had to send it back as it was defective. If this happens to you
> don't use US mail system. TBS-8920 is running on Media Portal - TVServer
> Software.
>
> Questions or settings:
> What DIsEQC,
> What KU-band..circular..universal..stacked..legacy...custom
> What override default lnb freq.... LOF1........mhz, LOF2 ....mhz
> What Switch LMBSw.......mhz
> Freqency ........mhz
> Symbol rate....
> Polirization...none,h, v, or circular..left or right
> Inner FEC Rate....in fractions
> Pilot, on, off, not set, not defined
> Roll off... not set, not defined, .20, .25, .35
> The DVB-S should also be able to power the down converter via the DISeQC
> but what one..
> Simple a, simple b, Level 1aa, Level 1ab, Level 1ba, Level BB, or none
> Any help requested would be appreciated. If you must blast please off the
> amsat site..use KB3PMR@xxxxx.xxx. Show up and make it work and I will cook
> the steak. I would offer valuable gifts and prizes but but I need to save
> up for domestic abuse claims by being preoccupied with this for the last 4
> month.
>
> Bob
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:26:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
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>> ... launch opportunities are so rare that we ought to
fly the most capable equipment we can on those rare
occasions when we can get a launch ...
Perhaps we should define, "most capable equipment." And
we also need to define "bang for the buck."
What should a ham satellite program offer to the amateur community?
If bringing new hams into this aspect of the hobby is important,
then we need another AO-51 - which was probably the greatest marketing
tool ever seen in the amateur satellite community. Its ease of use
was the cause of scores of media alerts and publicity for amateur radio.
And most importantly, it got more people looking skyward and thinking
they could work amateur satellites than any other project.
Then there was the marvelous marketing surrounding ARISSat-1 ...
What else should an amateur satellite program offer? Many here want
satellites that are only accessible with an investment of many hundreds
of dollars' worth of antenna systems and equipment. (Some would actually
love it if Technicians weren't allowed - that's how extreme thinking is
on this topic.) Is THAT what will move the hobby forward for the masses?
IS there a "middle ground?" Sure is a polarized topic (pun intended). Some
want the hobby and sat use to grow ... others want to exclude as many fellow
hams as possible.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:27:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
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>> ... launch opportunities are so rare that we ought to
fly the most capable equipment we can on those rare
occasions when we can get a launch ...
Perhaps we should define, "most capable equipment." And
we also need to define "bang for the buck."
What should a ham satellite program offer to the amateur community?
If bringing new hams into this aspect of the hobby is important,
then we need another AO-51 - which was probably the greatest marketing
tool ever seen in the amateur satellite community. Its ease of use
was the cause of scores of media alerts and publicity for amateur radio.
And most importantly, it got more people looking skyward and thinking
they could work amateur satellites than any other project.
Then there was the marvelous marketing surrounding ARISSat-1 ...
What else should an amateur satellite program offer? Many here want
satellites that are only accessible with an investment of many hundreds
of dollars' worth of antenna systems and equipment. (Some would actually
love it if Technicians weren't allowed - that's how extreme thinking is
on this topic.) Is THAT what will move the hobby forward for the masses?
IS there a "middle ground?" Sure is a polarized topic (pun intended). Some
want the hobby and sat use to grow ... others want to exclude as many fellow
hams as possible.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:29:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
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>> ... launch opportunities are so rare that we ought to
fly the most capable equipment we can on those rare
occasions when we can get a launch ...
Perhaps we should define, "most capable equipment." And
we also need to define "bang for the buck."
What should a ham satellite program offer to the amateur community?
If bringing new hams into this aspect of the hobby is important,
then we need another AO-51 - which was probably the greatest marketing
tool ever seen in the amateur satellite community. Its ease of use
was the cause of scores of media alerts and publicity for amateur radio.
And most importantly, it got more people looking skyward and thinking
they could work amateur satellites than any other project.
Then there was the marvelous marketing surrounding ARISSat-1 ...
What else should an amateur satellite program offer? Many here want
satellites that are only accessible with an investment of many hundreds
of dollars' worth of antenna systems and equipment. (Some would actually
love it if Technicians weren't allowed - that's how extreme thinking is
on this topic.) Is THAT what will move the hobby forward for the masses?
IS there a "middle ground?" Sure is a polarized topic (pun intended). Some
want the hobby and sat use to grow ... others want to exclude as many fellow
hams as possible.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
----------------------------------
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 20:36:57 -0400
From: Gus <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
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On 09/04/2013 03:06 PM, John Becker wrote:
> On 9/4/2013 12:43 PM, Gus wrote:
>> Truly.
>>
>> However, to include operators with modest shacks, you need to allow
>> operation on modes A, B and/or J. A satellite operating on 24.0 GHz
>> won't be of interest to the average ham. Not until the average ham
>> has 24.0 GHz capable antennas, feedlines, amplifiers, transceivers,
>> etc, in his shack.
> Are you trying to say that if one can not stand in their yard with a
> HT they will not use it?
I hope that is not the case. I do think that the average ham station
has an HF rig and a VHF/UHF rig in it. With feedlines and antennas to
suit. Using an FM rig in CW mode, the average ham could operate A, B
and J on CW with the equipment in hand. With antennas, feedlines, etc
already in place, SSB capability comes at the cost of only a VHF/UHF
all-mode rig, or perhaps only a transverter.
Once the bug has bit, they might begin to acquire gear for mode L, S,
and the rest of the alphabet! But for the initial dipping of the toes
into the satellite waters, it helps if the operator has all (or most of)
the gear already to hand!
> If your saying it's a money thing. You have got to pay to play.
> Everyone should know it's not or ever has been a poor man's hobby.
Starting with no gear, it's going to cost money, no matter what mode you
try to operate. But to persuade the average op to give satellites a
try, it can only help to tell him that it will cost him (little or) nothing.
>
> You cant get a toy-auto to go 120 but my mustang will.
1964 BMC Mini, A-Series 850cc, big-valve head, sodium-filled exhaust
valves, pocketed & line-bored block for road-race cam, twin SU's, 3-2-1
extractor, Cooper S ignition, duplex timing chain, co2 welded aluminum
tappets, high-capacity oil pump & oil cooler... Back then my balls were
bigger but my brain was smaller.
--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
Barbados, the easternmost isle.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 20:47:47 -0400
From: Gus <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO satellite Haiku poem
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Crossed yagis aloft
elements corrode slowly
old logs dampen eyes.
(First attempt.)
On 09/04/2013 07:15 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote:
> AO-40 premature death
> Sob-sob Boo-hoo
> I want, I want, I want.
>
> (amateurish, I know)
>
> 73
> Clayton
> W5PFG
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73, de Gus 8P6SM
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 01:31:28 -0000
From: "John Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
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If we want the most "bang for the buck", it would be something that supports
the most QSOs per watt of solar power. Since most hams have computers,
something that supports half a dozen PSK31 sessions would suffice. Given the
new open-source voice codec you could also make something that supports
multiple digital voice QSOs with less power than now required for analog FM
or SSB.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 00:27 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-40 Replacement
>>> ... launch opportunities are so rare that we ought to
> fly the most capable equipment we can on those rare
> occasions when we can get a launch ...
>
> Perhaps we should define, "most capable equipment." And
> we also need to define "bang for the buck."
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 20:34:10 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Gus <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO satellite Haiku poem
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For the record:
They called me AO-40
What a name is that?
I started off just gorty
I burped, what the heck was that?
Someone screwed me dorky
I lost the game, wanna bet
Now I am dead at 40
What a game is that?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Gus <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Crossed yagis aloft
> elements corrode slowly
> old logs dampen eyes.
>
> (First attempt.)
>
>
>
> On 09/04/2013 07:15 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote:
>
>> AO-40 premature death
>> Sob-sob Boo-hoo
>> I want, I want, I want.
>>
>> (amateurish, I know)
>>
>> 73
>> Clayton
>> W5PFG
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>>
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> Barbados, the easternmost isle.
>
>
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