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Today's Topics:
1. Re: SO-50 (B J)
2. Re: SO-50 (B J)
3. Best Available Information (Clint Bradford)
4. Accidental Contacts (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: US Space Fence Shut Down (Joe Fitzgerald)
6. UT1FG/MM in GF24 (Roland Zurmely)
7. Slightly OT (Glenn AA5PK)
8. Field Day 2013 - Sats (Clint Bradford)
9. Re: Field Day 2013 - Sats (Jim Jerzycke)
10. Re: Field Day 2013 - Sats (Stefan Wagener)
11. Re: SO-50 (Greg D)
12. Re: Slightly OT (John Fickes)
13. A0 40 replacement (John Becker)
14. Re: A0 40 replacement (Bryce Salmi)
15. Re: A0 40 replacement (John Stephensen)
16. Re: A0 40 replacement (Brenton Salmi)
17. help G-5500 (Nick Pugh K5QXJ)
18. Re: A0 40 replacement (Gus)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:11:11 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
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On 9/3/13, Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> ... As long as we have these self proclaimed Satellite Instructors
>>> neglecting
> the benefit of Full Duplex operation ...
One thing I've noticed a few times on the linear birds is how some
stations operate as if they're still on HF. They sometimes call CQ
continuously without giving another station a chance to answer.
Now, whenever I call CQ, I stop transmitting for several seconds.
That way, if anyone wants to answer will have a chance without us
talking over each other.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
<snip>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:58:13 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
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On 9/3/13, B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On 9/3/13, Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>> ... As long as we have these self proclaimed Satellite Instructors
>>>> neglecting
>> the benefit of Full Duplex operation ...
>
> One thing I've noticed a few times on the linear birds is how some
> stations operate as if they're still on HF. They sometimes call CQ
> continuously without giving another station a chance to answer.
>
> Now, whenever I call CQ, I stop transmitting for several seconds.
> That way, if anyone wants to answer will have a chance without us
> talking over each other.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
>
> <snip>
I should add that not all operators on HF are like that. Many are
quite courteous but I've heard a number who won't let someone get a
word in edgewise. Making a proper contact with them would be
accidental.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:15:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Best Available Information
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Just received an email message from one new to working the
ham sats. Asked me why he was having trouble accessing / working
Pegasus, TurkSat, and PW-Sat.
Huh?
A weird trio of birds - and as I offered resources to him like the
Live OSCAR Status Page and others, I asked him why he was working
this trio of birds.
Well, he was using our own AMSAT "operational analog amateur
satellites" publication.
And sonofagun, in today's release, there they are:
---------------------------------------------------
Part 1 (S1) - operational analog amateur satellites
WSR 245 Part 1 09/02/2013
...
NEE-01 Pegasus
...
TURKSAT-3USAT
...
PW-Sat
---------------------------------------------------
Why are these the first three listed in our official
"operational analog amateur sats" reference guide?
Clint K6LCS
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:18:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Accidental Contacts
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>> ... Making a proper contact with them would be accidental ...
That's one of the funniest lines I have heard in quite a while.
Thanks.
Clint K6LCS
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:11:15 -0400
From: "Joe Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: US Space Fence Shut Down
Message-ID: <e65e4ea92abfffc4d32b42f04409b524.squirrel@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
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Gambling with a Space Fence:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2357/1
-Joe KM1P
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:15:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roland Zurmely <py4zbz@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM in GF24
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QSO with Yuri UT1FG/MM in GF24 near Montevideo
on AO-7 mode B orbit #177.564.
73 de Roland in GH70un
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:07:38 -0500
From: "Glenn AA5PK" <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Star-Com BB"
<starcom-BB@xxxxxxxx.xxx>, "SAARC List"
<W5QX-Talk@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Slightly OT
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Say "Hi" to Juno
NASA's Juno spacecraft will fly past Earth on October 9, 2013 to receive a
gravity assist from our planet, putting it on
course for Jupiter. To celebrate this event, the Juno mission is inviting
amateur radio operators around the world to say
"HI" to Juno in a coordinated Morse Code message. Juno's radio & plasma wave
experiment, called Waves, should be able to
detect the message if enough people participate. So please join in, and help
spread the word to fellow amateur radio
enthusiasts!
<http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/hijuno/>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:36:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Field Day 2013 - Sats
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I thought that the Field Day rules (both ARRL and AMSAT rules) limited the
number of contacts for each entrant/submission/club to one QSO per satellite.
Was that correct? Would there be any point in a club making, say, 20
contacts on Field Day? Would additional points be available for a club
making more than one QSO per bird?
And as far as it is known, will the same sat rule be in effect for 2014?
Thanks.
Clint K6LCS
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Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.clintbradford.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 03:13:46 +0000
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Field Day 2013 - Sats
Message-ID: <5226A56A.9010002@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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It's one QSO /*per FM satellite*/.
You can make as many as you want on the linear birds.
Jim KQ6EA
On 09/04/2013 02:36 AM, Clint Bradford wrote:
> I thought that the Field Day rules (both ARRL and AMSAT rules) limited the
number of contacts for each entrant/submission/club to one QSO per satellite.
>
> Was that correct? Would there be any point in a club making, say, 20
contacts on Field Day? Would additional points be available for a club
making more than one QSO per bird?
>
> And as far as it is known, will the same sat rule be in effect for 2014?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Clint K6LCS
>
> ----------------------------------
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.clintbradford.com
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:16:13 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Field Day 2013 - Sats
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Hi Clint,
The problem with "field day rules for satellites" is that they are totally
out of line with reality.
Field day for many is to make contacts for the sake of contacts and that's
okay and fine. Collect the points, the contacts and enjoy it. It is a great
hobby!
However, for many others field day is the one day where amateur radio can
shine and the community can be invited to visit with hot dogs, barbecue and
the whole nine yards. Amateur radio can be demonstrated and many don't care
about points and rules and regs and policies and so on and on. It is all
about getting folks interested and they need to see live contacts on every
available pass. Who cares if you work the same station twenty five times
:-) you are not collecting points you show someone that they also can talk
via satellites and create interest in amateur radio via satellites. Another
great aspect of the hobby. Enjoy it!
The problem is that the "points collectors" and the "free willies" don't
necessary get on the same page and the satellites are very much "difficult
to use" to word it politically correct. If field day would become a
community exposure day it would change. We have so many other contests and
we can come up with a satellite contest day, just take field day out of the
points collection (for satellites) and we would win BIG time.
My two cents (Canadian)
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> I thought that the Field Day rules (both ARRL and AMSAT rules) limited the
> number of contacts for each entrant/submission/club to one QSO per
> satellite.
>
> Was that correct? Would there be any point in a club making, say, 20
> contacts on Field Day? Would additional points be available for a club
> making more than one QSO per bird?
>
> And as far as it is known, will the same sat rule be in effect for 2014?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Clint K6LCS
>
> ----------------------------------
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.clintbradford.com
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 21:07:31 -0700
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
Message-ID: <5226B203.6000201@xxxxx.xxx>
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B J wrote:
> On 9/3/13, Clint Bradford<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>> ... As long as we have these self proclaimed Satellite Instructors
>>>> neglecting
>> the benefit of Full Duplex operation ...
> One thing I've noticed a few times on the linear birds is how some
> stations operate as if they're still on HF. They sometimes call CQ
> continuously without giving another station a chance to answer.
>
> Now, whenever I call CQ, I stop transmitting for several seconds.
> That way, if anyone wants to answer will have a chance without us
> talking over each other.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
>
> <snip>
Of course, on the Linear birds, IF you are running Full Duplex, you
actually CAN talk over each other and still be understood. On AO-40 (so
doppler tracking wasn't a big problem) I would often just click in the
MOX button on my rig. If I don't say anything (and it's otherwise quiet
in the shack), no RF goes out. When I talk, it transmits. Nice and
natural.
But this only works with FDX, and only with SSB, and only if you have
computer or physical (HEO) control of doppler. Oh, and be careful not
to wake up Leila when you both talk at the same time too often... She
considered it bad manners.
Greg KO6TH
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 00:01:23 -0500
From: John Fickes <kc0bmf@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Glenn AA5PK <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Star-Com BB <starcom-BB@xxxxxxxx.xxx>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, SAARC List <W5QX-Talk@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Slightly OT
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What does one do thats call sign ends with F ???
73 John KC0BMF
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Glenn AA5PK <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Say "Hi" to Juno
>
> NASA's Juno spacecraft will fly past Earth on October 9, 2013 to receive a
> gravity assist from our planet, putting it on course for Jupiter. To
> celebrate this event, the Juno mission is inviting amateur radio operators
> around the world to say "HI" to Juno in a coordinated Morse Code message.
> Juno's radio & plasma wave experiment, called Waves, should be able to
> detect the message if enough people participate. So please join in, and
> help spread the word to fellow amateur radio enthusiasts!
>
> <http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/**hijuno/ <http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/hijuno/>>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:32:44 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] A0 40 replacement
Message-ID: <5226395C.30304@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Anything new on a replacement.
Have not see a thing myself.
John
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:41:44 -0700
From: Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
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This has been asked many times. Instead of reiterating the reasons why one
is not currently being worked on (at least by AMSAT-NA) I'll like you to an
email that was on this list last week from Brent, KB1LQD, that AMSAT-UK
picked up:
http://amsat-uk.org/2013/09/02/amateur-radio-cubesat-to-heo/
Hopefully this answers all your questions.
Bryce
KB1LQC
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:32 PM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Anything new on a replacement.
> Have not see a thing myself.
>
> John
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 05:50:42 -0000
From: "John Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
Message-ID: <89CD9B494F7446FB8DB1DD56E20CC63E@xxxxxxx>
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The AMSAT-DL presentation at the AMSAT-UK meeting was that their goverment
decided not to fund their HEO project and they are still looking for a
source of money. AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK are concentrating on LEO projects
that they can pay for via members and alliances with universities and
government agencies.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 19:32 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] A0 40 replacement
> Anything new on a replacement.
> Have not see a thing myself.
>
> John
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:26:53 -0700
From: Brenton Salmi <kb1lqd@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Stephensen <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
Message-ID:
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On a side note but still relevant, support the advancement of space vehicle
technology and cheaper access to space! I hate to sound biased the
commercial space industry is taking off (no pun intended) and the more
commercial competition there is and less "Cost-Plus" contracts the better.
The price per Kg right now is pretty staggering but with continued
advancement and production quantity this will drop relatively fast.
Although not fully here yet, reusability on a realistic scale will
drastically change the market or even open a totally new market. The Space
Shuttle was a great achievement and was reusable after a ~$1 billion annual
maintenance bill, so not economically reusable.
Let's put it in another possible context:
Create an extremely dense and reliable LEO platform in cube-sat form that
weigh's a fraction of AO-40's weight using today's high-density
components/systems and create a reliable and feature rich HEO cubesat.
Thanks,
Brent, KB1LQD
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:50 PM, John Stephensen <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> The AMSAT-DL presentation at the AMSAT-UK meeting was that their goverment
> decided not to fund their HEO project and they are still looking for a
> source of money. AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK are concentrating on LEO projects
> that they can pay for via members and alliances with universities and
> government agencies.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Becker" <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 19:32 UTC
> Subject: [amsat-bb] A0 40 replacement
>
>
>
> Anything new on a replacement.
>> Have not see a thing myself.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 02:01:34 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh K5QXJ" <quadpugh@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] help G-5500
Message-ID: <00da01cea93c$9880c1b0$c9824510$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The pot on the elevation rotator has gone open. Does any on the list have a
good replacement part and where to buy it.
Thanks
nick ARS K5QXJ EM30xa 30.1N 92.1W
Office 337 593 8700
Cell 337 258 2527
Helping UL become a world Class Engineering and Educational School
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 03:19:55 -0400
From: Gus <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A0 40 replacement
Message-ID: <5226DF1B.9060100@xxxx.xxx>
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On 09/04/2013 02:26 AM, Brenton Salmi wrote:
> Let's put it in another possible context:
>
> Create an extremely dense and reliable LEO platform in cube-sat form that
> weigh's a fraction of AO-40's weight using today's high-density
> components/systems and create a reliable and feature rich HEO cubesat.
>
The only problem with this, is that certain components can't be
miniaturized. Example: Antennas. And HEO satellites need more
sophisticated antennas.
Pity the cube-sat idea didn't finish up with a ten INCH cube...
--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
Barbados, the easternmost isle.
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