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Today's Topics:
1. Re: So50 (Craig Gagner)
2. Re: Was So50, now center of the passband (Glenn AA5PK)
3. Re: So-50 (Kevin M)
4. Re: SO-50 (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: SO-50 (Clint Bradford)
6. US Space Fence Shut Down (M5AKA)
7. Re: SO-50 (Virgil Bierschwale)
8. Re: So-50 (Dale Hershberger)
9. Re: So50 (Clayton Coleman)
10. Re: So-50 (Dale Hershberger)
11. ARRL/TAPR DCC Forum Schedule, Banquet Speaker & Sunday
Seminar Announced (Mark Thompson)
12. Re: SO-50 (Bryce Salmi)
13. Re: SO-50 (EarthLink)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 15:24:33 -0400
From: "Craig Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx>, "'amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So50
Message-ID: <000601cea812$0dfe2440$29fa6cc0$@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Getting an OO involved would be a waste of time, they have no more authority
to do anything than you or I.
As long as we have these self proclaimed Satellite Instructors neglecting
the benefit of Full Duplex operation, and the guy that thinks he must talk
to every station on the bird, the problem won't go away.
What we need to do is exactly what someone else said, shoot the offending
station an e-mail and try to elmer them in operating procedures. Full Duplex
would take care of a lot, and its easily done with a couple of $35 dollar
Chinese HT's and an Arrow or Elk antenna.
These operating issues have become much more obvious now that there is only
one FM Bird left in operation.
Anyway, attempt to educate if at all possible and maybe it will get better.
73, Craig
W1MSG
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Bryce Salmi
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 2:50 PM
To: amsat-bb
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So50
I may be mistaken but wouldn't instances like this be viable candidates to
notify an ARRL Official Observer about? They are there to help educate
people about proper operating practices and nudge others who are pushing the
limits.
Bryce
KB1LQC
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:11 AM, B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On 9/2/13, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > Or just work the transponders (not the FM repeaters) and avoid the lids.
> > That normally means being somewhere other than the exact middle of
> > the passband. I have a few stations that I will absolutely not work
> > until
> they
> > clean up their operating style. Otherwise, I go out of my way to
> > look for new ops.
> >
>
> If I happen to hear a QSO in progress when I'm checking for my
> downlink on, say, FO-29, I move further up into the band and continue.
> I might miss some potential contacts but I'm not in anyone's way.
>
> 73s
>
> Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
>
> <snip>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:03:35 -0500
From: "Glenn AA5PK" <aa5pk@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Was So50, now center of the passband
Message-ID: <17F70C7BBE094FCE802D420960506885@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Amen!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "B J" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>; "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:50 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Was So50, now center of the passband
>
> Let me clarify a little. Previous to SatPC32 being the ubiquitous way to
operate the transponders, people tended to spread
> out much more on the linear sats. CW was generally in the lower third to
maybe middle, and voice was often spread out over
> much more of the passband. Now...I love Sat PC32, and I like full Doppler
tuning, but just because the program defaults to
> the middle of the passband doesn't mean everyone should operate within 10
KHz of there.
>
> See
http://s139.photobucket.com/user/glasbrenner/media/radio/FO-29FDanotated.jpg.h
tml?sort=3&o=13
>
> Spread out and use the VFO! There's no reason to pile up like sardines in
the middle. Maybe even (GASP) edit the
> doppler.sqf file to put you elsewhere in the passband to fine tune things
at the start of the pass? Got a schedule, or
> operating from a rare grid? Let everyone know where to look (i.e. 25 khz
up from the middle) and save yourself and others
> some QRM?
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:08:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin M <n4ufo@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So-50
Message-ID:
<1378156100.48588.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I tried that. And I can assure you both I was very polite. My first attempt
was replied to with three words, all in caps and exclamation points. I took
that as being yelled at. Then later when the person was 'speaking' to me
again, I tried a second time with more better detail to very politely
explain the issue. That attempt was then replied to with a long paranoid,
accusatory diatribe about how I was being influenced and being used to do
others' dirty work. (???) The diatribe ended with me being told they did not
want to hear from me any further on the subject. - I used to work in public
service (police/ambulance) and I have extended first hand experience with
unstable individuals; you cannot reason with them, they are already
convinced that they are correct. My point is, it's a good idea, but if they
were 'open to suggestion' they would have likely asked in the first place.
Now, that's not always the case, as I have also had someone else take my
suggestion about reducing power levels and thank me for doing so and being
nice about it! But the most egregious offenders tend to be the ones that
don't take criticism well. - All I can say is good luck to everyone and I
hope things get better on the sats.
W7LRD said:
the best we can do is to "politely" educate the alleged offenders,
usually via email.
W1MSG said:
What we need to do is exactly what someone else said, shoot the offending
station an e-mail and try to elmer them in operating procedures.
?
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"Control is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the
courageous heart."
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:13:03 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
Message-ID: <2B1BA3AE-D5A1-4B50-AD58-F16F77940AC4@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> ... My daughter, who is a new ham has just given up on trying SO-50 ...
That's really too bad. Maybe you and she got into this aspect of the hobby
with different
expectations: No, it is not going to be an "easy shot" when we just have
this (and the ISS)
as the only "easy-to-work" FM birds.
But, then, working '51 was "busy" on the weekends and during "prime time"
passes, too.
Do not let her give up. This is a teachable moment! There are those who have
manners on
the airwaves ... and, unfortunately, there are those who lack manners (and
REALLY
unfortunately, many a time those without manners have the 100W setups ... ).
Gotta go. I just finished talking to two distant states and a fellow ham
here in California on
a 20-degree pass of SO-50 - with a whopping 2W handheld. I need to enter my
reception
report on the LIVE OSCAR SATELLITE STATUS page ... YES, there were a lot of
folks on
the air on this pass. But if I can do it with minimal equipment on a busy
day, surely you and
your daughter can do it. Please do not let hew miss out on the excitement of
working ham
satellites!
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:56:52 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
Message-ID: <3CD465BF-A9C8-41FD-A9AF-1B9484619A32@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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>> ... I may be mistaken but wouldn't instances like this be viable
candidates to
notify an ARRL Official Observer about?
Heck, let's call the FCC. Let's get some $5-10K fines daily issued for such
illegal
activity ...
You gotta be kidding.
For a decade now I have witnessed "problems" handled with phone calls and
email
mesages. There't no reason we cannot continue to take care of this aspect of
this magnificent hobby in the same manner.
But I fail to see a true definition of what the "problem" is. The "problem"
seems to be,
for some, the fact that they cannot take their children out in the back yard
on a
Saturday afternoon and be able to make contacts at will on an FM satellite.
That
is a care of unrealistic expectations - and not a "problem" for authorities
to handle.
Heck, I just went outside with 2 Watts - on a federal holiday in the U.S. -
and worked
three states within three minutes on a mediocre pass of SO-50. And that was
BEFORE
the satellite was half-way through its 25 or so degree pass.
Yes, there's impolite ops, I am sure. But "Let's sic the feds on 'em!"??? We
are
better than that. We're communicators, for gawd's sake. Let's use our
communications
and public relations talents to maintain the hobby. It's worked in the past.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
909-241-7666 - cell
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:10:56 +0100 (BST)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] US Space Fence Shut Down
Message-ID:
<1378159856.81416.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Isn't that the source of satellite near-miss information ?
See http://amsat-uk.org/2013/09/02/us-space-fence-shut-down/
----
73 Trevor M5AKA
AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396
Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:25:50 -0500
From: "Virgil Bierschwale" <vbiersch@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
Message-ID: <09ba01cea82b$61a645f0$24f2d1d0$@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Clint, Checked out your site today, and I appreciate you putting all that
together.
While I'm not a newcomer to satellite communications (six years in the navy
on a frigate), I am a newbie to amateur satellite communications and like
most, I had no idea where to turn as there is so much stuff out there.
Just wanted to say thanks for putting all that together.
Virgil
N5IVV
http://keepamericaatwork.com/?cat=62
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:57 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
>> ... I may be mistaken but wouldn't instances like this be viable
>> candidates to
notify an ARRL Official Observer about?
Heck, let's call the FCC. Let's get some $5-10K fines daily issued for such
illegal activity ...
You gotta be kidding.
For a decade now I have witnessed "problems" handled with phone calls and
email mesages. There't no reason we cannot continue to take care of this
aspect of this magnificent hobby in the same manner.
But I fail to see a true definition of what the "problem" is. The "problem"
seems to be, for some, the fact that they cannot take their children out in
the back yard on a Saturday afternoon and be able to make contacts at will
on an FM satellite. That is a care of unrealistic expectations - and not a
"problem" for authorities to handle.
Heck, I just went outside with 2 Watts - on a federal holiday in the U.S. -
and worked three states within three minutes on a mediocre pass of SO-50.
And that was BEFORE the satellite was half-way through its 25 or so degree
pass.
Yes, there's impolite ops, I am sure. But "Let's sic the feds on 'em!"??? We
are better than that. We're communicators, for gawd's sake. Let's use our
communications and public relations talents to maintain the hobby. It's
worked in the past.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
909-241-7666 - cell
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 14:41:45 -0800
From: Dale Hershberger <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So-50
Message-ID: <52251429.6090103@xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I want to respond the comments on the bb. I feel education to the newbie
operators is a must. I do this in my presentations and demos at ham fests
and club meetings. I think that AMSAT Area Coordinators are a source
to do this. Er13 1:08 PM, Kevin M wrote:
> I tried that. And I can assure you both I was very polite. My first
attempt was replied to with three words, all in caps and exclamation points.
I took that as being yelled at. Then later when the person was 'speaking' to
me again, I tried a second time with more better detail to very politely
explain the issue. That attempt was then replied to with a long paranoid,
accusatory diatribe about how I was being influenced and being used to do
others' dirty work. (???) The diatribe ended with me being told they did not
want to hear from me any further on the subject. - I used to work in public
service (police/ambulance) and I have extended first hand experience with
unstable individuals; you cannot reason with them, they are already
convinced that they are correct. My point is, it's a good idea, but if they
were 'open to suggestion' they would have likely asked in the first place.
Now, that's not always the case, as I have also had someone else take my
> suggestion about reducing power levels and thank me for doing so and
being nice about it! But the most egregious offenders tend to be the ones
that don't take criticism well. - All I can say is good luck to everyone and
I hope things get better on the sats.
>
>
>
> W7LRD said:
>
> the best we can do is to "politely" educate the alleged offenders,
> usually via email.
>
>
> W1MSG said:
> What we need to do is exactly what someone else said, shoot the offending
> station an e-mail and try to elmer them in operating procedures.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Control is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the
courageous heart."
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:52:07 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So50
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My biggest pet peeve is all the bad advice on FM satellite operation. It
sets the wrong expectation for many a new ham. You don't need a
sophisticated OSCAR station with full tracking. At the same time, don't
expect a 1980's vintage 2AT and a dummy load to work. There are economical
solutions that have great performance. I've read Power Points and web
pages from people seldom or never heard on a pass in years. Perhaps they
should try operating for a bit and consider updating their published
information.
Earlier this summer, I posted on my blog about the brutality of SO-50 in a
post AO-27 (and AO-51) era.
http://www.w5pfg.us/2013/06/the-brutality-of-so-50-in-post-ao-27-era.html
Out here in Texas, we find a rope and a tall oak tree settles these
dilemmas (sarcasm.) Oh wait, this is the Internet age. Anyone can talk
about their superior station, brag about all the demo's they do, how they
intend to break records, and how to run a grid expedition better than the
next guy -- all without a reality check.
Let's have fun. Try to educate repeat offenders politely via post or
e-mail. If that doesn't work, a good 'ole tar-and-feathering might be the
next best thing. I had to send one guy three post cards in the mail before
he finally shut up. His EME station could certainly get into AO-51 but he
couldn't hear squat!!!
<smile>
73
Clayton
W5PFG
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Kevin M <n4ufo@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> John, it's not just the west coast... There is one in the middle of the US
> that does about the same thing. On the linear birds, he calls over top of
> others who are already trying tomake a call. And he also tends to act like
> a 'grid traffic controller' on SO-50 with unnecessary chatter. Especially
> on SO-50, one needs to be as brief as possible and get off... it's common
> courtesy. Personally, I've quit the birds for a while... no need to put up
> with such nonsense, ham radio is supposed to be fun. I have some recently
> purchased antennas, preamps and an AZ-EL rotor in the closet. I was anxious
> to get them up this fall, but now I think I might wait until spring and see
> how things are. Maybe I will see you then. =^) Just wanted to let you
> know, it's not just you.
>
> Good luck on the weak signal work. As for me... I'm plan to work on some
> radials for new verticals and invest my time in chasing DX on HF and 160m.
> 73! N4UFO
>
>
> From: John - VE7JZ
> My daughter, who is a new ham has just given up on trying SO-50. 5 times
> now
> she has set up the station to work someone and the moment she unkeys,
> there is
> someone calling and not listening. We here, have a TS-2000 with az-el
> setup and
> 2 yagis with auto tracking. I totally agree with the comments here on this
> subject of wild west operations on SO-50. It is out of control. Here on
> the
> wet coast there is a WA6 ( wont say his call here ) every day that is
> constantly either ruining qso's or using way too much power and wiping out
> transponders completely. And if you call this LID, he either cannot hear
> you or
> ignores you and continues his ignorant disregard for other users so HE can
> get
> HIS contacts and to heck with anyone else. A constant and rather rude
> transponder HOG that is on almost every pass of every voice satellite. So
> as of
> today, we (my daughter and I) will go back to weak signal work and drop off
> satellite use until these LIDS either disappear or something. Our 2 cents
> worth. Everyone have a great day wherever you might
> be. 73.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Control is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the
> courageous heart."
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 15:00:34 -0800
From: Dale Hershberger <daleh@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So-50
Message-ID: <52251892.8010206@xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I want to respond to the comments on this topic on the bbs. I feel
education to the newbie
operators is a must. I do this in my presentations and demos at ham fests
and club meetings. I think that AMSAT Area Coordinators are a source
to do this. Coordinators can be mentors and demonstrate proper operating
procedure for comms thru the satellites.
I have been guilty of all the points that have been made in this
thread. I have
learned a lot from the mail on the bbs.
I tell the folks to use low power, either a full duplex ht or two
hts,(one for
up link and one for down link). Always listen before transmitting. Make
sure
you can hear your down link signal. Make your transmissions short...
remember
the satellite passes are short for LEOs. I used to like to work the
HEOs. Lots
of time and various modes...(AO40 sob, sob eh Bob)Oh well maybe someday
73,Dale
KL7XJ
AMSAT Area Coordinator, Alaska
Er13 1:08 PM, Kevin M wrote:
> I tried that. And I can assure you both I was very polite. My first
attempt was replied to with three words, all in caps and exclamation points.
I took that as being yelled at. Then later when the person was 'speaking' to
me again, I tried a second time with more better detail to very politely
explain the issue. That attempt was then replied to with a long paranoid,
accusatory diatribe about how I was being influenced and being used to do
others' dirty work. (???) The diatribe ended with me being told they did not
want to hear from me any further on the subject. - I used to work in public
service (police/ambulance) and I have extended first hand experience with
unstable individuals; you cannot reason with them, they are already
convinced that they are correct. My point is, it's a good idea, but if they
were 'open to suggestion' they would have likely asked in the first place.
Now, that's not always the case, as I have also had someone else take my
> suggestion about reducing power levels and thank me for doing so and
being nice about it! But the most egregious offenders tend to be the ones
that don't take criticism well. - All I can say is good luck to everyone and
I hope things get better on the sats.
>
>
>
> W7LRD said:
>
> the best we can do is to "politely" educate the alleged offenders,
> usually via email.
>
>
> W1MSG said:
> What we need to do is exactly what someone else said, shoot the offending
> station an e-mail and try to elmer them in operating procedures.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Control is the need of the fearful mind. Trust is the need of the
courageous heart."
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:43:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Thompson <wb9qzb_groups@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Digital-ATV@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <Digital-ATV@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"DigitalModes@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <DigitalModes@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"digitalradio@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <digitalradio@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"soft_radio@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <soft_radio@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"SDRlist@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx <SDRlist@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
"amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "WINMOR@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
<WINMOR@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Winlink_Programs_Group@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
<Winlink_Programs_Group@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "DAWG-HSMM@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
<DAWG-HSMM@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "APRS@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxx
<APRS@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "n7hpr@xxxx.xxxx <n7hpr@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL/TAPR DCC Forum Schedule, Banquet Speaker &
Sunday Seminar Announced
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2013 ARRL/TAPR DCC (Digital Communication Conference)
http://www.tapr.org/dcc
?
Friday, 9/20?- Sunday, 9/22
?
Cedarbrook Lodge, Seattle, WA
http://www.tapr.org/dcc.html/#hotel
?
?
Preliminary DCC Technical & Introductory Forums Schedule
On-Line at link below & attached:
http://www.tapr.org/pdf/DCC_2013_Schedule.pdf
?
ARRL/TAPR DCC Seattle Saturday Evening Banquet Speaker will be:?
Tom Van Baak Presenting
?Passion and Precision: Adventures of a Time Nut?
http://www.tapr.org/dcc#banquet
ARRL/TAPR DCC Seattle Sunday Morning Seminar will be?
Conducted by Ron Frohne, KL7NA?
Presenting "Android Programming Tutorial"
http://www.tapr.org/dcc#seminar
On-line DCC?Registration?at:
https://www.tapr.org/dccregistration.php
The Early Bird Discount for DCC Pre-Registration has been extended to
midnight Friday, September 13.
Walk-ins will be welcome throughout the DCC, but the Early Bird Discount
will no longer be applicable
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:25:17 -0700
From: Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Virgil Bierschwale <vbiersch@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Amsat BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
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Clint,
I said the ARRL Official Observers, not the FCC... Last time I checked the
official observers were volunteers, not federal employees. Your comment "For
a decade now I have witnessed "problems" handled with phone calls and
email mesages.
There't no reason we cannot continue to take care of this aspect of
this magnificent hobby in the same manner." is exactly what I was
proposing....
Bryce
KB1LQC
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Virgil Bierschwale <vbiersch@xxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> Clint, Checked out your site today, and I appreciate you putting all that
> together.
>
> While I'm not a newcomer to satellite communications (six years in the navy
> on a frigate), I am a newbie to amateur satellite communications and like
> most, I had no idea where to turn as there is so much stuff out there.
>
> Just wanted to say thanks for putting all that together.
>
> Virgil
> N5IVV
> http://keepamericaatwork.com/?cat=62
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Clint Bradford
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:57 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
>
> >> ... I may be mistaken but wouldn't instances like this be viable
> >> candidates to
> notify an ARRL Official Observer about?
>
> Heck, let's call the FCC. Let's get some $5-10K fines daily issued for such
> illegal activity ...
>
> You gotta be kidding.
>
> For a decade now I have witnessed "problems" handled with phone calls and
> email mesages. There't no reason we cannot continue to take care of this
> aspect of this magnificent hobby in the same manner.
>
> But I fail to see a true definition of what the "problem" is. The "problem"
> seems to be, for some, the fact that they cannot take their children out in
> the back yard on a Saturday afternoon and be able to make contacts at will
> on an FM satellite. That is a care of unrealistic expectations - and not a
> "problem" for authorities to handle.
>
> Heck, I just went outside with 2 Watts - on a federal holiday in the U.S. -
> and worked three states within three minutes on a mediocre pass of SO-50.
> And that was BEFORE the satellite was half-way through its 25 or so degree
> pass.
>
> Yes, there's impolite ops, I am sure. But "Let's sic the feds on 'em!"???
> We
> are better than that. We're communicators, for gawd's sake. Let's use our
> communications and public relations talents to maintain the hobby. It's
> worked in the past.
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
> http://www.work-sat.com
> 909-241-7666 - cell
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:36:55 -0700
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50
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My reply was being sarcastic - an over-reaction to your over-reaction ...
Sent from my iPod touch.
On Sep 2, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Bryce Salmi <bstguitarist@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I said the ARRL Official Observers, not the FCC...
>
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