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Today's Topics:
1. Are you missing ANS issues? (Alan)
2. High orbit satellites? (Peter Klein)
3. Re: High orbit satellites? (Andrew Glasbrenner)
4. portable operation from EN-17 (Rolf Krogstad)
5. Re: High orbit satellites? (PE0SAT | Amateur Radio)
6. Re: High orbit satellites? (Alan)
7. Re: ?High orbit satellites? (M5AKA)
8. D STAR AMSAT users net (damon runion)
9. Re: High orbit satellites? (Paul Stoetzer)
10. Re: High orbit satellites? (Stefan Wagener)
11. Re: Are you missing ANS issues? (Wouter Weggelaar)
12. Re: High orbit satellites? (Joe)
13. Re: High orbit satellites? (Virgil Bierschwale)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:10:33 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: CC <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Are you missing ANS issues?
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Hi,
Several people have reported that they did not receive their ANS mailings
recently. It turns out that
Gmail decided to flag them as spam. Unfortunately, there is no way to turn
off (that I have been able
to find) the Gmail filter except by specific exemption. I created a Not
Spam filter for [ans] in the
subject and the missing ones reappeared. Many email systems subscribe to
services which track spam,
so if you are missing ANS but use another email provider you may be able to
do something similar.
The issues are available on AMSAT.ORG under the Services link.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:58:57 -0700
From: Peter Klein <pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
Message-ID: <521EF131.6080500@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
--Peter, KD7MW
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:21:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Peter Klein <pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
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AMSAT-DL has Phase 3E mostly built, but the free launches of the past are
gone. I believe the area of 10 million Euros is what they have been quoted
for a purchased launch, which is out of the realm of amateur radio
fundraising. AMSAT-DL has continued to search for an affordable launch. US
participation has been hamstrung by ITAR, a set of laws regarding the export
of satellite information.
See http://www.amsat-dl.org/ (Google translate works well) for more directly
from the organization.
73, Drew KO4MA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Klein <pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2013 2:58 AM
>To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
>
>What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
>like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
>the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
>with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
>
>--Peter, KD7MW
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:23:01 -0500
From: Rolf Krogstad <rolf.krogstad@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] portable operation from EN-17
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For those interested, I will be operating portable from EN-17xm for one
pass on FO-29 on the following pass: 01-Sept at 01:48z.
If something happens and I don't make that pass, then I will be on FO-29 on
01-Sept at 14:38z.
73
Rolf NR0T
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:25:29 +0200
From: PE0SAT | Amateur Radio <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
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Hi Peter,
This is the one million dollar question ...
73 Jan PE0SAT
On 29-08-2013 08:58, Peter Klein wrote:
> What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
> like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction
> since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live
> communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya
> birds.
>
> --Peter, KD7MW
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
--
With regards PE0SAT
Internet web-page http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:49:57 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Peter Klein'" <pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
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Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs
from the 1980s through the
early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but
essentially ready to go. Here is
the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of
$1M would be impractical.
In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal
rates on test flights.
Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even
the smallest spaces and
mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates
for a first launch, but
those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL
will fly their satellite,
but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Peter Klein
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
--Peter, KD7MW
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:59:11 +0100 (BST)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ?High orbit satellites?
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> From: PE0SAT
> This is the one million dollar question ...
Or more likely a $10 million question which would be about the cost of a
launch.
Peter Guelzow DB2OS, gave an AMSAT-DL update at the AMSAT-UK Colloquium in
July.
Watch online at http://www.batc.tv/streams/amsat1306
or download the video from http://www.batc.tv/vod/amsatdl.flv
73 Trevor M5AKA
________________________________
On 29-08-2013 08:58, Peter Klein wrote:
> What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
> like AO-10 and AO-13?? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction
> since the demise of AO-40?? My main satellite interest is live
> communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya
> birds.
>
> --Peter, KD7MW
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
--
With regards PE0SAT
Internet web-page http://www.pe0sat.vgnet.nl/
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:25:23 -0500
From: damon runion <damonwa4hfn@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] D STAR AMSAT users net
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D STAR AMSAT users net tonight at 0100 utc on REF 60B
DX stations welcome, Bring any news you would like to share and
questions that someone might have an answere for.
https://sites.google.com/site/memphisdstar/d-satellite-amsat-net
Thanks Damon WA4HFN em55ab
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:40:46 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Peter Klein
<pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
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We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide
they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into
a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and
coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the
website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been
updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is
"essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a
relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about
anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is
a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to
send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example,
TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no
updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not
transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there
hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit
from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't
happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in
January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite
can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's
something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt
recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is
dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much
traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ
forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind
the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on
doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM
Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs
> from the 1980s through the
> early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
>
> AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but
> essentially ready to go. Here is
> the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate
> of $1M would be impractical.
> In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal
> rates on test flights.
> Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for
> even the smallest spaces and
> mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige
> Rates for a first launch, but
> those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that
> AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite,
> but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
>
> That is the highly abbreviated answer.
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Peter Klein
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
>
> What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
> like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
> the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
> with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
>
> --Peter, KD7MW
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:24:27 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: Peter Klein <pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Alan Biddle <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Well Paul,
If you think about it. We might still have a few thousand folks left that
are still members of one or more AMSATs. Maybe 10% or less are active at
all. For example, the last two passes (a few minutes ago) on SO-50 (2
active). FO-29 (2 active). So, the big question for me is why would anyone
spend $10Million for a few hundred folks (or less) to chat on a HEO
satellite. The answer for me is simple: No one!
The key is to find additional incentives (PR, payloads, science etc) which
Amsat is doing by focusing on STEM, working with universities and looking
at new and innovative ways. That's the same route AMSAT-DL has been trying
for years. Unfortunately, with all their efforts their own government did
not even support them.
Also, if you look at the current funding stream from NASA, ESA and others.
For example, $1 Million will support a multitude of cubesats in LEO helping
students and universities everywhere. ESA supports HamTV on the ISS. Why,
because it is great PR, connects thousands of students and classrooms to
the astronauts and builds future human capacity in science and engineering.
Bottom line: It is all in the package and ragchewing hams is the least
attractive :-)
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide
> they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into
> a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
>
> Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and
> coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the
> website includes the following sentence:
>
> "The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
>
> http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
>
> Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been
> updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is
> "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a
> relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about
> anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is
> a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to
> send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example,
> TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no
> updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not
> transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there
> hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit
> from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't
> happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in
> January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite
> can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's
> something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt
> recovery."
>
> Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is
> dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much
> traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ
> forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind
> the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on
> doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> Washington, DC
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs
> > from the 1980s through the
> > early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
> >
> > AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but
> > essentially ready to go. Here is
> > the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate
> > of $1M would be impractical.
> > In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal
> > rates on test flights.
> > Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for
> > even the smallest spaces and
> > mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige
> > Rates for a first launch, but
> > those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that
> > AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite,
> > but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
> >
> > That is the highly abbreviated answer.
> >
> > 73s,
> >
> > Alan
> > WA4SCA
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> > Behalf Of Peter Klein
> > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM
> > To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
> >
> > What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
> > like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
> > the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
> > with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
> >
> > --Peter, KD7MW
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:31:44 +0200
From: Wouter Weggelaar <wouterweg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, CC <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Are you missing ANS issues?
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Hi Alan and BB,
I also noticed this in GMAIL. It is important that people press the "not
spam" button in GMAIL, so that the smart filters do not detect it as spam
anymore.
I believe Google aggregates these button presses and adjusts the filters.
So if enough people detect it as not being spam, it will get off the list.
Spam filtering is always a delicate task...especially in radio amateur
E-mails, where all the Q-codes and acronyms do not produce valid,
grammatically correct sentences ;)
Wouter PA3WEG
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Several people have reported that they did not receive their ANS mailings
> recently. It turns out that
> Gmail decided to flag them as spam. Unfortunately, there is no way to
> turn off (that I have been able
> to find) the Gmail filter except by specific exemption. I created a Not
> Spam filter for [ans] in the
> subject and the missing ones reappeared. Many email systems subscribe to
> services which track spam,
> so if you are missing ANS but use another email provider you may be able
> to do something similar.
>
> The issues are available on AMSAT.ORG under the Services link.
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:34:41 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
Message-ID: <521F5C01.70709@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new
guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they
get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/29/2013 8:40 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide
> they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into
> a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
>
> Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and
> coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the
> website includes the following sentence:
>
> "The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
>
> http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
>
> Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been
> updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is
> "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a
> relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about
> anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is
> a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to
> send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example,
> TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no
> updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not
> transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there
> hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit
> from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't
> happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in
> January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite
> can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's
> something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt
> recovery."
>
> Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is
> dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much
> traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ
> forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind
> the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on
> doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> Washington, DC
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs
>> from the 1980s through the
>> early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
>>
>> AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but
>> essentially ready to go. Here is
>> the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate
>> of $1M would be impractical.
>> In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal
>> rates on test flights.
>> Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for
>> even the smallest spaces and
>> mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige
>> Rates for a first launch, but
>> those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that
>> AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite,
>> but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
>>
>> That is the highly abbreviated answer.
>>
>> 73s,
>>
>> Alan
>> WA4SCA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Peter Klein
>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
>>
>> What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
>> like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since
>> the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication
>> with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
>>
>> --Peter, KD7MW
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:07:03 -0500
From: "Virgil Bierschwale" <vbiersch@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Paul Stoetzer'" <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>, <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx 'Peter Klein' <pklein@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
Message-ID: <030601cea4c1$0a39da10$1ead8e30$@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am a outsider looking in, so don't take this wrong, but I've also noticed
this problem, not just here, but at other sites that I watch.
As the editor of Keep America At Work I believe the solution is simple, but
you may not agree with me, and it is not my intent to tick you off if that
happens.
The solution I believe is to give all of the volunteers access to the
wordpress platform with a user level of contributor
---
Summary of Roles
Super Admin - somebody with access to the site network administration
features and all other features. See the Create a Network article.
Administrator - somebody who has access to all the administration features
within a single site.
Editor - somebody who can publish and manage posts including the posts of
other users.
Author - somebody who can publish and manage their own posts.
Contributor - somebody who can write and manage their own posts but cannot
publish them.
Subscriber - somebody who can only manage their profile.
---
You will then move the bottleneck from getting articles to having an editor
that will approve, and publish them which will greatly simplify the process.
Sure, this will require the editor(s) to preview the articles, and release
them, but I'm betting that is a very manageable task.
I'm not up to speed on the amsat community and my financial situation is not
good without work, so I'm probably not a good candidate for the
editor/publisher role, but I will guarantee you that I can get the site up
to date and current asap if I were.
Sometimes we focus so much on the infrastructure that we lose site of the
fact that our mission is to get the message to the people as the people
could care less about the infrastructure
My two cents only, and if I'm out of place, let me know and I will shut up.
Virgil
N5IVV
Keep America At Work
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:41 AM
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Peter Klein
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide
they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a
few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and
coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the
website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been updated
in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is "essentially ready
to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a relative newcomer,
I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about anything and websites
that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is a volunteer and busy
with other things, but would it be so difficult to send out an update about
what's going on once in a while? For example, TurkSat-3USAT was launched
back in April. There have been absolutely no updates from anyone about what
happened. Obviously the beacon is not transmitting and the transponder is
not on, but what happened? Is there hope for recovery? If it has failed, the
entire community could benefit from knowledge about what has happened so
that similar failures don't happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The
website was last updated in January saying it will be several months before
they know if the satellite can be recovered. A quick update would be
appreciated, even if it's something like: "Due to time constraints, we
haven't been able to attempt recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is
dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much
traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ
forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind
the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on
doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM
Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite
> QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook,
> and was amazed at what I worked.
>
> AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but
> essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs
> to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical.
> In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at
> nominal rates on test flights.
> Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers
> for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what
> I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those
> days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL
> will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few
> and far between.
>
> That is the highly abbreviated answer.
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
> On Behalf Of Peter Klein
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
>
> What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite
> like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction
> since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live
> communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
>
> --Peter, KD7MW
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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