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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
      (Chandler Y Heath)
   2.  Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
      (Angelo Glorioso)
   3. Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
      (Angelo Glorioso)
   4. Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get (Craig Gagner)
   5. Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem (Dave Larsen PhD)
   6. Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get (Alan)
   7. Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem (Dave Larsen PhD)
   8. Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem (i8cvs)
   9. Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem (Glen Zook)
  10. Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
      (Stefan Wagener)
  11. Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem (Greg D)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:14:41 -0500
From: Chandler Y Heath <convergx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Oscar Ortega <oscaro@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
get
Message-ID: <3ADF1752-10EF-4E06-A00D-817EACC1D92A@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Hi Oscar,

I just got in to satellites and I started with a Yaesu FT-817. It's max
power is 5W which is plenty for most satellites. I added a second 817 to
allow me to quickly "find" myself on the SSB sats. Reply to me directly and
I can share with you my setup.

Cheers!

Chandler Y. Heath


On Aug 1, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Oscar Ortega <oscaro@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I recently got interested in trying satellite communications. I bought an
Arrow antenna and I am wondering
> which transceiver to get. So far I have found the FT-847, IC-910h and
IC-9100.
>
> The FT-847 scares me since it is a bit old, however I have heard it is
very good for satellite and EME.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated!!
>
> Regards,
> Oscar
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:07:38 -0500
From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb]  Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
get
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP421D5590FA555067C4BB3D2ED510@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response



Alan,

 Thanks for the reply. I usually don't reply to many emails here, but I feel
 this was necessary. I bare to disagree with you Alan. If I would have known
 the rig had a birdie right on the downlink frequency of two of the most
popular
 fm birds,  I would not have purchased the rig years ago. Making a
 statement of a "few quirks" does not give a person a fair assessment of the
 rig. I just feel it is a very important fact.



 Angelo / N5UXT


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: "'Angelo Glorioso'" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 2:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
> get
>
>
>> Angelo,
>>
>>>>rig it does have a few quirks.
>>
>> There was no need to bury him with details.
>>
>> Alan
>> WA4SCA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:34 AM
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>
>> Hi Oscar and Alan,
>>
>> Please be aware of the birdie right on the downlink of SO50. This is an
>> internal birdie. I think it is very important to pass this on. It will
>> affect AO27 also if it comes back to life or any
>> satellite that uses 436.800 as a downlink.
>>
>>
>> 73 de Angelo
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: "'Oscar Ortega'" <oscaro@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:07 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>
>>
>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>
>>> Call?
>>>
>>> Any of those should work fine, and you should include the Kenwood
>>> TS-2000
>>> in your search list.  It is
>>> still in production, and well thought of, though like nearly every other
>>> rig it does have a few
>>> quirks.
>>>
>>> The FT-847 is still a great rig, and is usually snapped up whenever a
>>> good
>>> used one becomes available.
>>> The first batch had "write only" CAT control, with all of the following
>>> ones having bidirectional
>>> capability which is needed for modern control programs such as SatPC32.
>>> Many of the first ones where
>>> modified, but if you consider one, make certain it has the update.
>>>
>>> Note that you can use two regular rigs together to form a satellite
>>> station.  Some people find a good
>>> eBay or flea market rig as a second unit.  Again, programs like SatPC32
>>> will work with this
>>> combination and make it look like a single rig.  For instance, our
>>> Dayton
>>> Hamvention demo station uses
>>> two FT-817s.
>>>
>>> 73s,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> WA4SCA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>>> Behalf Of Oscar Ortega
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:52 PM
>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently got interested in trying satellite communications. I bought
>>> an
>>> Arrow antenna and I am
>>> wondering
>>> which transceiver to get. So far I have found the FT-847, IC-910h and
>>> IC-9100.
>>>
>>> The FT-847 scares me since it is a bit old, however I have heard it is
>>> very good for satellite and
>>> EME.
>>>
>>> Any advice would be appreciated!!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Oscar
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:40:27 -0500
From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
get
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP43977D100D10D00A62FEC91ED510@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

OPS!!!!!

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRIVATE.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:07 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get


>
>
> Alan,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I usually don't reply to many emails here, but I
> feel
> this was necessary. I bare to disagree with you Alan. If I would have
> known
> the rig had a birdie right on the downlink frequency of two of the most
> popular
> fm birds,  I would not have purchased the rig years ago. Making a
> statement of a "few quirks" does not give a person a fair assessment of
> the
> rig. I just feel it is a very important fact.
>
>
>
> Angelo / N5UXT
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: "'Angelo Glorioso'" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 2:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
>> get
>>
>>
>>> Angelo,
>>>
>>>>>rig it does have a few quirks.
>>>
>>> There was no need to bury him with details.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> WA4SCA
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>>> Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:34 AM
>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>
>>> Hi Oscar and Alan,
>>>
>>> Please be aware of the birdie right on the downlink of SO50. This is an
>>> internal birdie. I think it is very important to pass this on. It will
>>> affect AO27 also if it comes back to life or any
>>> satellite that uses 436.800 as a downlink.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de Angelo
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> To: "'Oscar Ortega'" <oscaro@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:07 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>>
>>>> Call?
>>>>
>>>> Any of those should work fine, and you should include the Kenwood
>>>> TS-2000
>>>> in your search list.  It is
>>>> still in production, and well thought of, though like nearly every
>>>> other
>>>> rig it does have a few
>>>> quirks.
>>>>
>>>> The FT-847 is still a great rig, and is usually snapped up whenever a
>>>> good
>>>> used one becomes available.
>>>> The first batch had "write only" CAT control, with all of the following
>>>> ones having bidirectional
>>>> capability which is needed for modern control programs such as SatPC32.
>>>> Many of the first ones where
>>>> modified, but if you consider one, make certain it has the update.
>>>>
>>>> Note that you can use two regular rigs together to form a satellite
>>>> station.  Some people find a good
>>>> eBay or flea market rig as a second unit.  Again, programs like SatPC32
>>>> will work with this
>>>> combination and make it look like a single rig.  For instance, our
>>>> Dayton
>>>> Hamvention demo station uses
>>>> two FT-817s.
>>>>
>>>> 73s,
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> WA4SCA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>>>> Behalf Of Oscar Ortega
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:52 PM
>>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recently got interested in trying satellite communications. I bought
>>>> an
>>>> Arrow antenince it is a bit old, however I have heard it is
>>>> very good for satellite and
>>>> EME.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice would be appreciated!!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Oscar
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>>> author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>>> author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 17:58:26 -0400
From: "Craig Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
get
Message-ID: <000801ce8fcb$6a28e0c0$3e7aa240$@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

http://www.hsmicrowave.com/432M7.html

The link will get you a fix for the Birdie Problem on the Kenwood TS-2000.
Worked Great for me until I picked up my IC-9100. Sold it with my TS-2000.
If you want to know about set up send me an e-mail.

73, Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:08 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get



Alan,

 Thanks for the reply. I usually don't reply to many emails here, but I feel
this was necessary. I bare to disagree with you Alan. If I would have known
the rig had a birdie right on the downlink frequency of two of the most
popular  fm birds,  I would not have purchased the rig years ago. Making a
statement of a "few quirks" does not give a person a fair assessment of the
rig. I just feel it is a very important fact.



 Angelo / N5UXT


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: "'Angelo Glorioso'" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 2:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
> get
>
>
>> Angelo,
>>
>>>>rig it does have a few quirks.
>>
>> There was no need to bury him with details.
>>
>> Alan
>> WA4SCA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:34 AM
>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>
>> Hi Oscar and Alan,
>>
>> Please be aware of the birdie right on the downlink of SO50. This is an
>> internal birdie. I think it is very important to pass this on. It will
>> affect AO27 also if it comes back to life or any
>> satellite that uses 436.800 as a downlink.
>>
>>
>> 73 de Angelo
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: "'Oscar Ortega'" <oscaro@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:07 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>
>>
>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>
>>> Call?
>>>
>>> Any of those should work fine, and you should include the Kenwood
>>> TS-2000
>>> in your search list.  It is
>>> still in production, and well thought of, though like nearly every other
>>> rig it does have a few
>>> quirks.
>>>
>>> The FT-847 is still a great rig, and is usually snapped up whenever a
>>> good
>>> used one becomes available.
>>> The first batch had "write only" CAT control, with all of the following
>>> ones having bidirectional
>>> capability which is needed for modern control programs such as SatPC32.
>>> Many of the first ones where
>>> modified, but if you consider one, make certain it has the update.
>>>
>>> Note that you can use two regular rigs together to form a satellite
>>> station.  Some people find a good
>>> eBay or flea market rig as a second unit.  Again, programs like SatPC32
>>> will work with this
>>> combination and make it look like a single rig.  For instance, our
>>> Dayton
>>> Hamvention demo station uses
>>> two FT-817s.
>>>
>>> 73s,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> WA4SCA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>>> Behalf Of Oscar Ortega
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:52 PM
>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently got interested in trying satellite communications. I bought
>>> an
>>> Arrow antenna and I am
>>> wondering
>>> which transceiver to get. So far I have found the FT-847, IC-910h and
>>> IC-9100.
>>>
>>> The FT-847 scares me since it is a bit old, however I have heard it is
>>> very good for satellite and
>>> EME.
>>>
>>> Any advice would be appreciated!!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Oscar
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>

_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:23:43 -0700
From
turned off main power to house and still have QRN .. so not coming from
anything in house .. This one
has me stumped .. 6 moths ago my Qrn was a S-2 .. waiting for a G6 radio to
try and track this down
but does anybody else have any idea's ?

Tnx

Dave
N6CO


------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:16:48 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Angelo Glorioso'" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
get
Message-ID: <243161D165FF4D91A01FC6E1380B7EBB@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

No problem Angelo.  The point was not the quirks and deficiencies, which the
FT-847 and IC-910 have as
well, but at what point to go into the details.  Sometimes the "data dump"
which we oldsters can
generate can be a bit much!  :)

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA


-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:40 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get

OPS!!!!!

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRIVATE.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:07 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get


>
>
> Alan,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I usually don't reply to many emails here, but I
> feel
> this was necessary. I bare to disagree with you Alan. If I would have
> known
> the rig had a birdie right on the downlink frequency of two of the most
> popular
> fm birds,  I would not have purchased the rig years ago. Making a
> statement of a "few quirks" does not give a person a fair assessment of
> the
> rig. I just feel it is a very important fact.
>
>
>
> Angelo / N5UXT
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
>> To: "'Angelo Glorioso'" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 2:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
>> get
>>
>>
>>> Angelo,
>>>
>>>>>rig it does have a few quirks.
>>>
>>> There was no need to bury him with details.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> WA4SCA
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>>> Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:34 AM
>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>
>>> Hi Oscar and Alan,
>>>
>>> Please be aware of the birdie right on the downlink of SO50. This is an
>>> internal birdie. I think it is very important to pass this on. It will
>>> affect AO27 also if it comes back to life or any
>>> satellite that uses 436.800 as a downlink.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de Angelo
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alan" <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> To: "'Oscar Ortega'" <oscaro@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>; <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 7:07 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>>
>>>> Call?
>>>>
>>>> Any of those should work fine, and you should include the Kenwood
>>>> TS-2000
>>>> in your search list.  It is
>>>> still in production, and well thought of, though like nearly every
>>>> other
>>>> rig it does have a few
>>>> quirks.
>>>>
>>>> The FT-847 is still a great rig, and is usually snapped up whenever a
>>>> good
>>>> used one becomes available.
>>>> The first batch had "write only" CAT control, with all of the following
>>>> ones having bidirectional
>>>> capability which is needed for modern control programs such as SatPC32.
>>>> Many of the first ones where
>>>> modified, but if you consider one, make certain it has the update.
>>>>
>>>> Note that you can use two regular rigs together to form a satellite
>>>> station.  Some people find a good
>>>> eBay or flea market rig as a second unit.  Again, programs like SatPC32
>>>> will work with this
>>>> combination and make it look like a single rig.  For instance, our
>>>> Dayton
>>>> Hamvention demo station uses
>>>> two FT-817s.
>>>>
>>>> 73s,
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> WA4SCA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>>>> Behalf Of Oscar Ortega
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:52 PM
>>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recently got interested in trying satellite communications. I bought
>>>> an
>>>> Arrow antenna and I am
>>>> wondering
>>>> which transceiver to get. So far I have found the FT-847, IC-910h and
>>>> IC-9100.
>>>>
>>>> The FT-847 scares me since it is a bit old, however I have heard it is
>>>> very good for satellite and
>>>> EME.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice would be appreciated!!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Oscar
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>>> author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>>> author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:28:38 -0700
From: "Dave Larsen PhD" <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem
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 I have called PG&E and the guy came out with a 430 Rx with a beam saying
it's not
there problem  - humm  - The Lev stays at a S-7 and then when sun comes up
it goes to a S-9 20 over

both Ants were fine for 2 years .. then the QRN .. it did go away for about
1 week now
back for 1 month

Tnx for all responce .

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "K4FEG" <K4FEG@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Dave Larsen PhD" <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem


> On 8/2/2013 05:23 PM, Dave Larsen PhD wrote:
>> I have 2 dipoles up at 60+ ft - one set running East-West other North
>> South .. From 2.6 to 5 Megs I
>> have a S-7 Qrn lev at 4 Am .. buy noon I have a 10-20 over QRN Lev .. I
>> live on 10  acres and have
>> turned off main power to house and still have QRN .. so not coming from
>> anything in house .. This one
>> has me stumped .. 6 moths ago my Qrn was a S-2 .. waiting for a G6 radio
>> to try and track this down
>> but does anybody else have any idea's ?
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>> Dave
>> N6CO
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> there is a possibility that you have a nearby electrical transformer that
> has a corroded connection on it, these connections can be a major source
> of noise and they will come and go with changes in humidity or
> precipitation. will it suddenly stop at times are is it a fairly constant
> level?
>
> your local utility company can find and repair these connections but they
> need a better idea of the direction it is from your QTH.
>
> Those are my thoughts on your problem
> Good Luck
> Frank;
> K4FEG



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 02:28:59 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Dave Larsen PhD" <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem
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Hi Dave, N6CO

If you don't live very close to a big city probably there are sparks
into one or more high voltage defective insulators carrying AC
power to your town and very close to your antennas.

73" de

i8CVS Domenico

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Larsen PhD" <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:23 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem


> I have 2 dipoles up at 60+ ft - one set running East-West other North
South .. From 2.6 to 5 Megs I
> have a S-7 Qrn lev at 4 Am .. buy noon I have a 10-20 over QRN Lev .. I
live on 10  acres and have
> turned off main power to house and still have QRN .. so not coming from
anything in house .. This one
> has me stumped .. 6 moths ago my Qrn was a S-2 .. waiting for a G6 radio
to try and track this down
> but does anybody else have any idea's ?
>
> Tnx
>
> Dave
> N6CO
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Dave Larsen PhD <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>,	"amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem
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Not that uncommon this time of the year! ?Especially on 160-meters and
80/75-meters, slightly less on 40-meters, the QRN level can be pretty
horrid! ?Much of the noise is caused by lightning that can be hundreds of
miles away.
?
Glen, K9STH


Website:  http://k9sth.com


________________________________
 From: Dave Larsen PhD <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem


I have 2 dipoles up at 60+ ft - one set running East-West other North South
.. From 2.6 to 5 Megs I
have a S-7 Qrn lev at 4 Am .. buy noon I have a 10-20 over QRN Lev .. I live
on 10? acres and have
turned off main power to house and still have QRN .. so not coming from
anything in house .. This one
has me stumped .. 6 moths ago my Qrn was a S-2 .. waiting for a G6 radio to
try and track this down
but does anybody else have any idea's ?

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:57:31 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Alan Biddle <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to
get
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Now, keep in mind folks, Oscar bought an arrow antenna, not a cross yagi or
dish or whatever else including rotor. He has small portable antenna for
the great outdoors!

Hooking up an IC910, IC9100, FT847, TS2000 or whatever else which is
primary a stationary rig is overkill. He needs a good cross-band HT or one
of the mobile rigs. Also SatPC32 is not working on the balcony or in the
front yard unless he drags out the computer and the power cables and the
table and so on and on and on. He needs a handheld solution, software for a
mobile phone or tablet for his arrow not a stationary equipment list.

2 cents worth,

Stefan, VE4NSA


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:

> No problem Angelo.  The point was not the quirks and deficiencies, which
> the FT-847 and IC-910 have as
> well, but at what point to go into the details.  Sometimes the "data dump"
> which we oldsters can
> generate can be a bit much!  :)
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Angelo Glorioso
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:40 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>
> OPS!!!!!
>
> THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRIVATE.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angelo Glorioso" <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:07 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
>
>
> >
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I usually don't reply to many emails here, but I
> > feel
> > this was necessary. I bare to disagree with you Alan. If I would have
> > known
> > the rig had a birdie right on the downlink frequency of two of the most
> > popular
> > fm birds,  I would not have purchased the rig years ago. Making a
> > statement of a "few quirks" does not give a person a fair assessment of
> > the
> > rig. I just feel it is a very important fact.
> >
> >
> >
> > Angelo / N5UXT
> >
> >
> >> ----- Origf Of Oscar Ortega
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:52 PM
> >>>> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> >>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie needs advice on which transceiver to get
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I recently got interested in trying satellite communications. I bought
> >>>> an
> >>>> Arrow antenna and I am
> >>>> wondering
> >>>> which transceiver to get. So far I have found the FT-847, IC-910h and
> >>>> IC-9100.
> >>>>
> >>>> The FT-847 scares me since it is a bit old, however I have heard it is
> >>>> very good for satellite and
> >>>> EME.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any advice would be appreciated!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Oscar
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:40:07 -0700
From: Greg D <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Dave Larsen PhD <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem
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Hi Dave,

If the noise came and went sharply (like someone turned something off
for a week), and "man made" sounding, perhaps one of your neighbors put
up a solar power array?  Lots of diodes and the power inverter running
during the day...

Just a thought,

Greg  KO6TH


Dave Larsen PhD wrote:
> I have called PG&E and the guy came out with a 430 Rx with a beam
> saying it's not
> there problem  - humm  - The Lev stays at a S-7 and then when sun
> comes up it goes to a S-9 20 over
>
> both Ants were fine for 2 years .. then the QRN .. it did go away for
> about 1 week now
> back for 1 month
>
> Tnx for all responce .
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "K4FEG" <K4FEG@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: "Dave Larsen PhD" <doc@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Help with 75 mtr Qrn problem
>
>
>> On 8/2/2013 05:23 PM, Dave Larsen PhD wrote:
>>> I have 2 dipoles up at 60+ ft - one set running East-West other
>>> North South .. From 2.6 to 5 Megs I
>>> have a S-7 Qrn lev at 4 Am .. buy noon I have a 10-20 over QRN Lev
>>> .. I live on 10  acres and have
>>> turned off main power to house and still have QRN .. so not coming
>>> from anything in house .. This one
>>> has me stumped .. 6 moths ago my Qrn was a S-2 .. waiting for a G6
>>> radio to try and track this down
>>> but does anybody else have any idea's ?
>>>
>>> Tnx
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> N6CO
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> author.
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>>>
>>>
>> there is a possibility that you have a nearby electrical transformer
>> that has a corroded connection on it, these connections can be a
>> major source of noise and they will come and go with changes in
>> humidity or precipitation. will it suddenly stop at times are is it a
>> fairly constant level?
>>
>> your local utility company can find and repair these connections but
>> they need a better idea of the direction it is from your QTH.
>>
>> Those are my thoughts on your problem
>> Good Luck
>> Frank;
>> K4FEG
>
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