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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 191 (Burns Fisher)
2. Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? (John Stephensen)
3. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 191 (Gary Mayfield)
4. Re: Interest (Angelo Glorioso)
5. Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? (B J)
6. Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? (Alan)
7. Video of Fox-1 Dayton Presentation (M5AKA)
8. Volunteering (k4feg)
9. Re: Volunteering (gordonjcp@xxxx.xxxx
10. Re: Volunteering (Alan)
11. help regarding RCI-SE (Aayush Yadav)
12. Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? (R Oler)
13. Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ??? (Alan)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:24:35 -0400
From: Burns Fisher <burns@xxxxxx.xx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 191
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Lubbers K8TL" <k8tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 15:55 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT needs volunteers ???
> Over the past half century I responded several times to AMSAT?s call for
> volunteers and never heard back from them. I was happy to hear from my
> son when he volunteered his software talents to AMSAT and told me that
> they had asked when would be a good time to contact him. His job title is
> Software Engineer with over 30 years experience, a number of published
> articles and winner of a number of design contests. He is also
> comfortable with hardware and firmware. If I mention a piece of hardware
> or software that I wish was a available in my ham shack it is usually
> available the next time he visits.
>
> Oh by the way I see AMSAT is still looking for a software guy, they never
> followed up on their request of when they could contact him. They sure
> blew an opportunity there.
>
> Tom K8TL
>
>
That is obviously very frustrating both for you and your son. Do remember
that "they" are also volunteers, and for each area (engineering, finance,
communications, etc) "they" are likely to be only a single person having a
hard time keeping up with volumes of email in his or her spare time, and
who has to prioritize what s/he can pay attention to.
And as Jaime's experience shows, every volunteer first has to be screened
due to ITAR requirements. A pain in the neck but sadly true for the time
being.
As a volunteer organization with many members who have 'real jobs', AMSAT,
as with most such groups, has to deal with the common case of volunteers
who do a lot of AMSAT work and suddenly have to drop out for a while to
spend more time with job, family, etc. So the need for new people is
always there, but the priorities of the moment vary widely. And we do
differ from some organizations by often having very hard launch dates.
Not that you can predict, but I'm sure it depends on the time within a
project cycle too and exactly what you are volunteering for. I suspect
that at the moment analog circuit designer volunteers might get a greater
mindshare than software people.
Please understand and don't give up. It should not work this way, but
personal contact is also good. Hamvention (just passed), AMSAT Space
Symposium (Houston in early November), etc.
Burns, W2BFJ
(Not a volunteer screener, but an AMSAT member and volunteer who happened
to send email at the right moment)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:36:02 -0000
From: "John Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Jaime Robles" <jaime@xxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Message-ID: <23E635B100D24FEF87C6CB2223A678E3@xxxxxxx>
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Currently, the only way that AMSAT-NA seems to be able to work with non-US
citizens is via NASA which can more easily obtain the required approvals.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Robles" <jaime@xxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 18:37 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
I answered last year to a call and I got an answer from AMSAT ... but it
was negative due to the ITAR regulations and my Spanish nationality :-)
Maybe if the US relax ITAR for hamradio satellites we (non-US hams) can
help in future projects. :-)
Just my 2 cents :-)
Jaime, EA4TV
El 07/06/2013 19:43, "John Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx> escribi?:
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:09:29 -0500
From: Gary Mayfield <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 191
Message-ID: <BAY173-W37B82041119BBB591386AC8A9A0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
It is a hard business. I have had to twice quash a local rumor AMSAT is
gone. Mainly due to the web site.
73,
Joe kk0sd
> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:24:35 -0400
> From: burns@xxxxxx.xx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 191
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Lubbers K8TL" <k8tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 15:55 UTC
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT needs volunteers ???
>
>
> > Over the past half century I responded several times to AMSAT?s call for
> > volunteers and never heard back from them. I was happy to hear from my
> > son when he volunteered his software talents to AMSAT and told me that
> > they had asked when would be a good time to contact him. His job title is
> > Software Engineer with over 30 years experience, a number of published
> > articles and winner of a number of design contests. He is also
> > comfortable with hardware and firmware. If I mention a piece of hardware
> > or software that I wish was a available in my ham shack it is usually
> > available the next time he visits.
> >
> > Oh by the way I see AMSAT is still looking for a software guy, they never
> > followed up on their request of when they could contact him. They sure
> > blew an opportunity there.
> >
> > Tom K8TL
> >
> >
>
>
> That is obviously very frustrating both for you and your son. Do remember
> that "they" are also volunteers, and for each area (engineering, finance,
> communications, etc) "they" are likely to be only a single person having a
> hard time keeping up with volumes of email in his or her spare time, and
> who has to prioritize what s/he can pay attention to.
>
> And as Jaime's experience shows, every volunteer first has to be screened
> due to ITAR requirements. A pain in the neck but sadly true for the time
> being.
>
> As a volunteer organization with many members who have 'real jobs', AMSAT,
> as with most such groups, has to deal with the common case of volunteers
> who do a lot of AMSAT work and suddenly have to drop out for a while to
> spend more time with job, family, etc. So the need for new people is
> always there, but the priorities of the moment vary widely. And we do
> differ from some organizations by often having very hard launch dates.
>
> Not that you can predict, but I'm sure it depends on the time within a
> project cycle too and exactly what you are volunteering for. I suspect
> that at the moment analog circuit designer volunteers might get a greater
> mindshare than software people.
>
> Please understand and don't give up. It should not work this way, but
> personal contact is also good. Hamvention (just passed), AMSAT Space
> Symposium (Houston in early November), etc.
>
> Burns, W2BFJ
> (Not a volunteer screener, but an AMSAT member and volunteer who happened
> to send email at the right moment)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:06:22 -0500
From: Angelo Glorioso <n5uxt@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Interest
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP563196FE086A8AB5EB60FCED9A0@xxx.xxx>
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reply-type=response
Due to lack of interest, no Sat ops from EL59.
>
> A fellow ham and myself will be activating a farely rare grid of EL59 this
> weekend for the VHF Contact on 6 meters. I was wondering if there is any
> interest in activating this grid for satellite? I would not mind bringing
> the gear out if there is an interest for the grid. If I get enough
> replies, I will bring the
> sat stuff with me.
>
>
> Angelo
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 02:14:47 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jaime Robles <jaime@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
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On 6/7/13, Jaime Robles <jaime@xxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> I answered last year to a call and I got an answer from AMSAT ... but it
> was negative due to the ITAR regulations and my Spanish nationality :-)
>
> Maybe if the US relax ITAR for hamradio satellites we (non-US hams) can
> help in future projects. :-)
>
> Just my 2 cents :-)
>
> Jaime, EA4TV
That situation might change, according to this:
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2013/06/researchers-upbeat-about-us-
plan.html
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
<snip>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:47:45 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Tom Lubbers K8TL'" <k8tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Message-ID: <BF6789E4DB2347648C0A95539EEB876A@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Tom,
It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers. And we have an
amazing number working on
projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations. However messily,
the recruiting process
works. However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill,
contacting a specific
individual, about a specific project. In other cases, the person needing
help contacts someone who
they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation. This in
many ways mirrors
corporate and educational hiring.
What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what
can I do?" volunteers. As
has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass
them on to other volunteers
who may or may not respond. There have been times when the press of other
projects, or personal
health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks.
Also, as Gould has remarked,
the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually working
for AMSAT. This is no
reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the use
of people with proven
skills and record over "walk ins."
As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US
citizens for most areas. As a
result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing. We
have volunteers plowing
through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a
foreign language. However, we
have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable
future, or at least made more
reasonable. The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in
other national AMSATs, but it
will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers.
All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic
recruitment running a bit more
effectively. This will include a more targeted approach for those
expressing interest, and at least
some sort of reply. Of course, I am also just a volunteer. :)
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:03:11 +0100 (BST)
From: M5AKA <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Video of Fox-1 Dayton Presentation
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Video of the great Dayton presentation by Tony AA2TX about Fox-1.
http://amsat-uk.org/2013/06/08/fox-1-status-update-video/
----
73 Trevor M5AKA
AMSAT-UK website http://amsat-uk.org/
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/AMSAT-UK/208113275898396
Twitter https://twitter.com/AMSAT_UK
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 09:05:03 -0500
From: k4feg <k4feg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx starcom-bb@xxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Volunteering
Message-ID: <51B33A0F.7030901@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
AMSAT VOLUNTEERS?
my understanding of a volunteer is someone who "willingly" gives their
spare time to promote a subject or issue that they are passionate about.
It is obvious that there are issues with how does one "get's involved"
in the hobby we all care about.
I understand that people have their lives to live and they cannot always
give 100% to their volunteer work, but guess what, there are people out
here that are retired for what ever reason who have tried to reach out
and get involved, but alas;
*there is not one clear place to go to find out what
projects/jobs/issues are out there and **how to get involved in any of
them, that I am aware of!*
I propose that AMSAT_NA create a position of a: /*Volunteer
Coordinator*///*Director*/, who's sole job would be to identify needs
for any and all projects or issues that AMSAT_NA deems of importance to
our hobby and they would need to communicate these needs in a timely
manner to the AMSAT_NA membership. This position would not be for a
person who has limited time but someone who could give the position the
time such an important position requires.
For all I know such a position may already exist but the task has been
given to someone who already has "more than they can do".
People wishing to volunteer are out there, but at some point there has
to be a leader to help coordinate and direct people into areas where
they can best help.
It is a shame that someone with Tom's, K8TL, years of experience, is
left on the "side-lines" because no one knew where to direct him so he
could help.
I talk to Tom on the satellites on a regular basis and I know he is
passionate about our hobby.
I say we need to /"Use them, not lose them!"/, these volunteers with
years of experience and a love for our hobby.
Just from Tom's post about volunteering, I have learned of projects that
I did not even know existed, communications of what is happening within
our segment of our hobby is imperative if we hope to grow and maintain
our part of this extraordinary hobby.
Tom, hang in there, maybe we can put you and your son's talents to use yet!
/Any one have any suggestions please feel free to contact me directly on
or off the BB, on my BB, on my Skype account (k4feg_em55) or if you want
to talk I will forward you my cell # in a private email//. /
*I WANT TO SEE OUR HOBBY GROW AND PROSPER!*
*/"we will work the satellites until the antennas burn off during
re-entry!"/**/
/*
73 FRM
Frank E. Griffin
K4FEG
EM55aj84ta
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:59:28 +0100
From: gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
Message-ID: <20130608155928.GA31765@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 09:05:03AM -0500, k4feg wrote:
> I propose that AMSAT_NA create a position of a: /*Volunteer
> Coordinator*///*Director*/, who's sole job would be to identify
> needs for any and all projects or issues that AMSAT_NA deems of
> importance to our hobby and they would need to communicate these
> needs in a timely manner to the AMSAT_NA membership. This position
> would not be for a person who has limited time but someone who could
> give the position the time such an important position requires.
Take a look at Jono Bacon's book "The Art of Community". It sounds like you
need a Community Manager.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:33:11 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
Message-ID: <C9CE24F8C2D646A3AC5DAACFEA41919C@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Gordon,
Creating the position is easy, even trivial. Filling it, not so much. :)
I suspect someone with the
ability to do this would be busy working on one or more projects rather than
recruiting.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 10:59 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 09:05:03AM -0500, k4feg wrote:
> I propose that AMSAT_NA create a position of a: /*Volunteer
> Coordinator*///*Director*/, who's sole job would be to identify
> needs for any and all projects or issues that AMSAT_NA deems of
> importance to our hobby and they would need to communicate these
> needs in a timely manner to the AMSAT_NA membership. This position
> would not be for a person who has limited time but someone who could
> give the position the time such an important position requires.
Take a look at Jono Bacon's book "The Art of Community". It sounds like you
need a Community Manager.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 13:05:20 +0530
From: Aayush Yadav <aayushyadav825@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] help regarding RCI-SE
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hey all,
We were using RCISE board from EA4TX as rotor controller interface for our
rotor but recently the interface has stopped to respond to any input. It
would be grateful if any of you could provide me with the electrical
schematic of the borad or any other information.
Regards,
Aayush Yadav ,
Pratham - Student Satellite Project,
Indian Institute of Technology Bombay.
-----king on getting the AMSAT generic
recruitment running a bit more
> effectively. This will include a more targeted approach for those
expressing interest, and at least
> some sort of reply. Of course, I am also just a volunteer. :)
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:27:08 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: CC <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
Message-ID: <77FB0CA56D2E4D48BFC026729F05058E@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Robert,
>>Volunteering for AMSAT ...
No, but placing volunteers successfully is very similar when we are talking
about technical rather
than non-specialized social service, which is the point I was addressing.
An important distinction,
not a "non inquisitor" sentence. :)
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: R Oler [mailto:orbitjet@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:51 AM
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxxx 'Tom Lubbers K8TL'; Amsat BB
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
This in many ways mirrors
corporate and educational hiring."
A non inquisitor sentence
Volunteering for AMSAT (or the Boy Scouts or insert volunteer group here)
is not "hiring" and it certainly is not corporate or educational
hiring.
Robert WB5MZO
> From: wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx
> To: k8tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:47:45 -0500
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
>
> Tom,
>
> It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers. And we have an
amazing number working on
> projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations. However messily,
the recruiting process
> works. However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill,
contacting a specific
> individual, about a specific project. In other cases, the person needing
help contacts someone who
> they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation. This in
many ways mirrors
> corporate and educational hiring.
>
> What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what
can I do?" volunteers. As
> has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass
them on to other
volunteers
> who may or may not respond. There have been times when the press of other
projects, or personal
> health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks.
Also, as Gould has
remarked,
> the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually
working for AMSAT. This is no
> reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the
use of people with proven
> skills and record over "walk ins."
>
> As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US
citizens for most areas. As
a
> result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing. We
have volunteers plowing
> through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a
foreign language. However, we
> have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable
future, or at least made
more
> reasonable. The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in
other national AMSATs, but it
> will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers.
>
> All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic
recruitment running a bit more
> effectively. This will include a more targeted approach for those
expressing interest, and at least
> some sort of reply. Of course, I am also just a volunteer. :)
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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