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Today's Topics:
1. FITSAT 1 is object 38853 (Nico Janssen)
2. Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853 (Mike Rupprecht)
3. Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com (situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxxx
4. Re: Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com (Andrew Glasbrenner)
5. Re: Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com (Gus 8P6SM)
6. 2012 annual AMSAT Symposium - Sunday trip to Orlando Science
Museum (n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
7. Re: Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com (Roger)
8. Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853 (Nico Janssen)
9. Info request about AO-27 status. (Raidel Abreu Espinet)
10. Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853 (Mike Rupprecht)
11. Status os AO-27 (Clint Bradford)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:33:11 +0200
From: Nico Janssen <hamsat@xxxxxx.xx>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FITSAT 1 is object 38853
Message-ID: <5075CD77.2080105@xxxxxx.xx>
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Hi,
Using very accurate dopplershift measurements, I found that
FITSAT 1 is object 38853, 1998-067CP.
73,
Nico PA0DLO
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:24:43 +0200
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: "'Nico Janssen'" <hamsat@xxxxxx.xx>, "'Amsat'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853
Message-ID: <006f01cda725$48a58cd0$d9f0a670$@xx>
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Hi Nico,
yes - and TechEdSat is #38854 and We-Wish is #38856...
73 Mike
DK3WN
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
Auftrag von Nico Janssen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2012 21:33
An: Amsat
Betreff: [amsat-bb] FITSAT 1 is object 38853
Hi,
Using very accurate dopplershift measurements, I found that FITSAT 1 is
object 38853, 1998-067CP.
73,
Nico PA0DLO
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:19:33 +0000
From: situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com
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Hi,
I'm a newbie for amateur satellite stuff, and I want to gain a deep
knowledge and experience in it.
I have a 2-meter band VHF transceiver handheld radio, and has 5 watt for the
output power. Can I use the radio to communicate with any satellites that
support VHF?
And please direct me to the resource that I need to start building my first
small station. Thank you in advance.
Cheers,
Situs Panesse
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:23:02 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxxx <situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com
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Your radio may work for listening and working the ISS, and if it has PL
tones it will work for an uplink to SO-50. Maybe a few other things too.
Take a look at the AMSAT web store for "Getting Started on the Amateur
Satellites". For a very modest donation, you'll get the best primer around.
Got a callsign yet?
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 10, 2012, at 2:19 AM, situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm a newbie for amateur satellite stuff, and I want to gain a deep
knowledge and experience in it.
>
> I have a 2-meter band VHF transceiver handheld radio, and has 5 watt for
the output power. Can I use the radio to communicate with any satellites
that support VHF?
>
> And please direct me to the resource that I need to start building my
first small station. Thank you in advance.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Situs Panesse
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:30:06 -0400
From: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com
Message-ID: <5076130E.70409@xxxx.xxx>
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On 10/10/2012 02:19 AM, situsaja@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm a newbie for amateur satellite stuff, and I want to gain a
> deep knowledge and experience in it.
It's very old and hard to find, but The Satellite Experimenters Handbook
by Martin Davidoff K2UBC will give you fundamental knowledge on
satellites, orbits, tracking, antennas, feedlines, etc. The book is
old, but the laws of celestial mechanics haven't changed.
> I have a 2-meter band VHF transceiver handheld radio, and has 5
> watt for the output power. Can I use the radio to communicate
> with any satellites that support VHF?
You will need to operate on two bands, to work satellite. I can't think
of any satellites offhand that operate on a single band. You will use
one band to transmit TO the bird (uplink) and a separate band to receive
sigs FROM the bird (downlink).
Can you get some 70cm gear? If you can transmit/receive both VHF 2M and
UHF 70cm, you can operate Mode-B (70cm UPlink and 2M DOWNlink) or Mode_J
(2M UPlink and 70cm DOWNlink). Some birds operate FM, some use a linear
transponder for use with CW/SSB. It's *possible* to run FM through a
linear transponder but it's frowned upon because it hits the satellite
batteries harder, not to mention bogarts the passband.
Failing this, if you have an HF rig and know CW, you could try AO-7 via
Mode-A (VHF 2M up, HF 10M down). Put a key across the PTT line of an FM
rig, disconnect the mic (no modulation of the carrier) and you have a
poor-man's CW rig on 2M. Listen to your sigs and hopefully a few
replies on your HF rig.
> And please direct me to the resource that I need to start building my
> first small station. Thank you in advance.
Well, once you have gear for two bands, you will need antennas. A
rubber duckie is workable, but far from ideal. Popular these days are
small, hand-held yagis, of various designs. But you could experiment
with other designs, such as the quadrifilar helix, the turnstile, the
lindenblad, and so forth.
How do you wish to operate? Portable, from all over the place? From
your own back yard? Out of your shack?
--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
The Easternmost Isle
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:50:59 -0400
From: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2012 annual AMSAT Symposium - Sunday trip to
Orlando Science Museum
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IMPORTANT message for all those planning to attend the special tour to the
Orlando Science Museum during the AMSAT Space Symposium in Orlando, FL on
Sunday, Oct. 28, 2012.
For those planning to attend the special Star Wars Exhibit, you must contact
Martha at AMSAT, to pay for your ticket in advance. Martha can be reached at
888-322-6728 or 301-589-6062).This must be done no later than Thursday,
October 17 to reserve your spot for the tour.
Please note that the following trip schedule has been updated from the
current schedule posted at www.amsat.org.
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Symposium Trip to the Orlando Science Center - Sunday, Oct. 28, 2012
Trip schedule:
Leave the hotel at 9:00am (transportation is provided)
Arrive at OSC at 9:45am (non-members parking: $5/vehicle)
Special backstage tour at 10:00am (should last 45 min. - our AMSAT liaison
will meet us in lobby)
>From 10:45am until 11:30am - visit the various Center exhibits
Those who pre-paid for the Star Wars Exhibit enter the exhibit as a group at
11:30am (tkts cost $27/person - PRE-PAYMENT IS REQUIRED - SEE NOTE BELOW
View Exhibit from 11:30am until 1:00pm
Lunch at local restaurant from 1:15pm to 2:15pm
Leave restaurant at 2:15pm
Arrive back by 3:00pm
NOTE:
? Star Wars Exhibit:
http://www.osc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=1
17&Itemid=181
The Star Wars Exhibit is a limited engagement feature and is expected
to draw
large crowds. In order to guarantee our visit stays on schedule, the
Center has
arranged for AMSAT to enter the exhibit as a single group at 11:30am.
If you
choose to visit this exhibit, you MUST contact Martha at AMSAT, and
pay for
your ticket in advance. Martha can be reached at 888-322-6728 or 301-589-
6062). This must be done no later than Thursday, October 17 to
reserve your spot for the tour. Otherwise, you will not be guaranteed
a spot in
the 11:30 tour with the rest of the members. Total cost per person
will be
$27.00. Please note that this fee also covers general admission to
OSC and
all exhibits, including the IMAX theater. When you arrive the tickets
will be with
your tour guide.
? Those that choose not to attend the Star Wars Exhibit may have the
opportunity of attending a feature in the IMAX Theater, providing the show
times coincide with our time schedule during the visit. Admission to the
IMAX Theater is covered under your initial admission fee. Admission fee to
OSC will be $17.00 for those not attending the Star Wars Exhibit and will be
paid at the door.
? For those managing afternoon plane departures, transportation back
to the hotel will be provided by AMSAT volunteers at 11:30am, but only if
needed.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:16:33 -0400
From: Roger <Rogerkola@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie in Satellite for Amateur Com
Message-ID: <5076C6B1.1080500@xxx.xxx>
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All good information from Gus however I note as an exception that you
can work ISS Unproto Packet on 145.825 with a Single band FM radio and
single antenna...There are directions somewhere for an EZ homemade beam
that another might be able to pull out the link for.
Roger
WA1KAT
On 10/10/2012 8:30 PM, Gus 8P6SM wrote:
>
>> I have a 2-meter band VHF transceiver handheld radio, and has 5
>> watt for the output power. Can I use the radio to communicate
>> with any satellites that support VHF?
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:30:52 +0200
From: Nico Janssen <hamsat@xxxxxx.xx>
To: Mike Rupprecht <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
Cc: 'Amsat' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853
Message-ID: <5076D81C.5070903@xxxxxx.xx>
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Mike,
You are probably right. I'll also try my measurement method on
those satellites. But their AFSK signals are not so suitable for
this type of measurement. In this case your method works better.
If you look at the mean anomaly and argument of perigee in the
group of 2-line element sets for these Cubesats, you can see that
there are actually two groups: 38852 and 38856 (let's say group A)
and 38853, 38854 and 38855 (group B). We know that the Cubesats
were launched in two groups at different times and at different
points in the orbit of the ISS. This means that WeWish and Raiko
must be in group A and the other three satellites must be in
group B.
So if TechEdSat is 38854, WeWish is 38856 and FITSAT 1 is 38853,
then we can conclude that Raiko is 38852 and F 1 is 38855.
So to summarise the identifications for these Cubesats:
38852 = Raiko
38853 = FITSAT 1
38854 = TechEdSat
38855 = F 1
38856 = WeWish
Obviously this is only valid if the 2-line element sets are not
re-assigned again to different object numbers. This has happened
in the first days after the launch from the ISS and it may happen
again...
73,
Nico PA0DLO
On 2012-10-10 22:24, Mike Rupprecht wrote:
> Hi Nico,
>
> yes - and TechEdSat is #38854 and We-Wish is #38856...
>
> 73 Mike
> DK3WN
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
> Auftrag von Nico Janssen
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2012 21:33
> An: Amsat
> Betreff: [amsat-bb] FITSAT 1 is object 38853
>
> Hi,
>
> Using very accurate dopplershift measurements, I found that FITSAT 1 is
> object 38853, 1998-067CP.
>
> 73,
> Nico PA0DLO
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:59:09 +0200 (CEST)
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet <cl2esp@xxxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Info request about AO-27 status.
Message-ID: <9753485.1572.1349945949764.JavaMail.root@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hello,
Visiting the AO-27 website i see the following "Current AO-27 Status:
Primary Bootloader", also i read about N3UC asking to don't transmit if the
analogue mode is not heard.
Can someone help me with a little bit info? Has been it working in analogue
mode recently? I wan't to give it a try today, and also durind the next
weekend, but i guess asking first will be better to avoid interference.
So, any info about scheduled operations for the next two-three days will be
very appreciated.
73,
Raydel, CM2ESP
EL83sc
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:23:21 +0200
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: "'Nico Janssen'" <hamsat@xxxxxx.xx>
Cc: 'Amsat' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853
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Hi Nico,
yes, you're absolutely right. Swapping of objects (ever with small cubesats)
is not new and it happens again and again. We saw this also with the NROL-36
objects. So we have to wait some more days and make the analysis again.
Best 73
Mike
DK3WN
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Nico Janssen [mailto:hamsat@xxxxxx.xxx
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Oktober 2012 16:31
An: Mike Rupprecht
Cc: 'Amsat'
Betreff: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: FITSAT 1 is object 38853
Mike,
You are probably right. I'll also try my measurement method on those
satellites. But their AFSK signals are not so suitable for this type of
measurement. In this case your method works better.
If you look at the mean anomaly and argument of perigee in the group of
2-line element sets for these Cubesats, you can see that there are actually
two groups: 38852 and 38856 (let's say group A) and 38853, 38854 and 38855
(group B). We know that the Cubesats were launched in two groups at
different times and at different points in the orbit of the ISS. This means
that WeWish and Raiko must be in group A and the other three satellites must
be in group B.
So if TechEdSat is 38854, WeWish is 38856 and FITSAT 1 is 38853, then we can
conclude that Raiko is 38852 and F 1 is 38855.
So to summarise the identifications for these Cubesats:
38852 = Raiko
38853 = FITSAT 1
38854 = TechEdSat
38855 = F 1
38856 = WeWish
Obviously this is only valid if the 2-line element sets are not re-assigned
again to different object numbers. This has happened in the first days after
the launch from the ISS and it may happen again...
73,
Nico PA0DLO
On 2012-10-10 22:24, Mike Rupprecht wrote:
> Hi Nico,
>
> yes - and TechEdSat is #38854 and We-Wish is #38856...
>
> 73 Mike
> DK3WN
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
> Auftrag von Nico Janssen
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2012 21:33
> An: Amsat
> Betreff: [amsat-bb] FITSAT 1 is object 38853
>
> Hi,
>
> Using very accurate dopplershift measurements, I found that FITSAT 1
> is object 38853, 1998-067CP.
>
> 73,
> Nico PA0DLO
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:23:49 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Status os AO-27
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>> ... I wan't to give it a try today, and also durind the next
weekend, but i guess asking first will be better to avoid interference ...
I would not attempt any comms through AO-27 until we are given the OK to do
so from the control team.
Clint K6LCS
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