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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Andrew Glasbrenner)
   2. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Trevor .)
   3. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Gus 8P6SM)
   4. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (John Becker)
   5. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (John Spasojevich)
   6. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Andrew Glasbrenner)
   7. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Mark L. Hammond)
   8. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Gus 8P6SM)
   9. ARRL - Michael Owen VK3KI (SK) (Trevor .)
  10. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (John Spasojevich)
  11. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Mike Rupprecht)
  12. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Gus 8P6SM)
  13. UT1FG QSLs (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
  14. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (Bill Ress)
  15. Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat (John Spasojevich)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:56:04 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Vu Trong Thu <thuvt@xxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <E816B1BD-28A2-4DAA-984E-29802156319D@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Their original 3u design included a transponder. Hopefully they will
overlook the boorish behavior and consider it for follow on projects.

Good luck and congratulations in advance on the deployment of F-1

73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:

> Insult them, that's a great way to get groups to consider a repeater on
> board. Believe it or not, some people enjoy the peacefulness of receiving
> telemetry versus the the fight with inconsiderate operators.
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:11:25 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID:
<1348499485.39849.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Thanks for the update Thu.

I appreciate the work that you and the students from the FPT University have
put into this project.

I hope the deployment of F-1 and the other CubeSats will be a success and I
look forward to receiving the signals.

73 Trevor M5AKA

--- On Mon, 24/9/12, Vu Trong Thu <thuvt@xxx.xxx.xx> wrote:

> From: Vu Trong Thu <thuvt@xxx.xxx.xx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Monday, 24 September, 2012, 12:29
> Dear everyone,
>
> According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5
> CubeSats to space by
> the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried
> out on Thursday,
> September? 27. Here is the plan:
>
> -? ? ? ? ? First, 15h10 to 15h20:
> WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1
>
> -? ? ? ? ? Second,16h30 to 16h40:
> TechEdSat, F-1 v? FITSAT-1 from POD#2
>
>
>
> All time in UTC. The event is planned to be broadcasted live
> on the
> following websites:
>
> http://iss.jaxa.jp/iss/jaxa_exp/hoshide/library/live/
>
> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
>
>
>
> 30 minutes after deployment from the station, F-1 will begin
> transmitting
> beacon alternatively on its main and backup channels.
> Telemetry and beacon
> data from F-1 contain critical information about the
> satellite?s health
> (battery & solar cell voltages, temperature readings)
> and they are very
> important to us, especially in the first week of operation.
> Thus, we would
> like to ask the amateur radio community to help in tracking
> and receiving
> data from F-1 CubeSat.
>
>
>
> Here?s a quick summary of F-1? frequencies:
>
> -? ? ? ? ? 145.980 MHz: main
> channel, 1.0W RF output, FM, AFSK 1200bps, one
> telemetry packet every 30 seconds, operates in the dark by
> default (but can
> be commanded later to operate in sunlight as well)
>
> -? ? ? ? ? 437.485 MHz: backup
> channel, 0.2W RF output, FM, PWM CW beacon,
> each beacon transmission lasts about 20 seconds then 60
> seconds delay, only
> operates in sunlight
>
>
>
> More information and guide to download F-1 telemetry decoder
> can be found at
> http://fspace.edu.vn/?page_id=27. Decoded data can be
> submitted to us via
> the telemetry decoder or by sending to me directly (thuvt@xxx.xxx.xxxx
> audio
> records are highly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Please feel free to send me a message if there is any
> question. We would
> really appreciate your kind support!
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Thu XV9AA
>
> F-1 CubeSat Project Manager
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx.
> Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
> satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:10:58 -0400
From: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <50608612.2070104@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 09/24/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Their original 3u design included a transponder. Hopefully they will
> overlook the boorish behavior and consider it for follow on projects.

Or maybe we will consider denying them the use of ham frequencies?

--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
The Easternmost Isle


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:33:44 -0500
From: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20120924112902.0285de40@xxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

For what its worth. . .

some of the post to this subject seem to have been posted in the
HTML mode.

This being a plain text list was just unreadable.
Only fix was to delete.



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:39:58 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID:
<CA+qbou7mBBaDbRgHBJt4KKoLynk6VHurfLnN-iTdfu0+bctRTQ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Or maybe they will be reallocated to them. They use them more than we do.
Maybe hams in your world own frequencies but in tge USA their use is a
privilege not a right.

John, AG9D
On Sep 24, 2012 11:26 AM, "Gus 8P6SM" <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> On 09/24/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>
>> Their original 3u design included a transponder. Hopefully they will
>> overlook the boorish behavior and consider it for follow on projects.
>>
>
> Or maybe we will consider denying them the use of ham frequencies?
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
> ______________________________**_________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings:
http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo
/amsat-bb>
>


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:49:47 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <21F4754D-82B3-4407-901B-08DBEADAF0BC@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii



On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@
>
> Or maybe we will consider denying them the use of ham frequencies?
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
> _______________________________________________

Under what authority? They are licensed amateur radio operators, and self
training and education has always been a tenet of amateur radio, whether you
approve or not.

The level of discourse around here lately has been pretty dismal. If we are
judged by our behavior on this list (and we are), I'm not surprised so few
educational satellite programs want to work with us. The arrogance and
entitlement mentality is embarrassing.

73, Drew KO4MA


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:07:17 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Vu Trong Thu" <thuvt@xxx.xxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <50609347.2f83ec0a.230c.765a@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello Vu,

Congratulations to you and your students.  I can only imagine the thrill of
anticipating the release from the ISS of the physical evidence of your hard
work.  We shared the same excitement when ARISSat-1 was released.

The F-1 telemetry program installed just fine.  It will be my privilege to
receive and forward to you and your team F-1 telemetry.  Hopefully you and
your students will learn a great deal about satellite engineering, assembly,
and operations.  This telemetry information should prove useful to you in
the development of future missions.

Best wishes for remaining on the schedule for release, and for a successful
mission.

73,

Mark N8MH
AMSAT VP for Educational Relations



At 06:29 PM 9/24/2012 +0700, Vu Trong Thu wrote:
>Dear everyone,
>
>According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5 CubeSats to space by
>the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried out on Thursday,
>September  27. Here is the plan:
>
>-          First, 15h10 to 15h20: WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1
>
>-          Second,16h30 to 16h40: TechEdSat, F-1 v? FITSAT-1 from POD#2
>
>
>
>All time in UTC. The event is planned to be broadcasted live on the
>following websites:
>
>http://iss.jaxa.jp/iss/jaxa_exp/hoshide/library/live/
>
>http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
>
>
>
>30 minutes after deployment from the station, F-1 will begin transmitting
>beacon alternatively on its main and backup channels. Telemetry and beacon
>data from F-1 contain critical information about the satellite?s health
>(battery & solar cell voltages, temperature readings) and they are very
>important to us, especially in the first week of operation. Thus, we would
>like to ask the amateur radio community to help in tracking and receiving
>data from F-1 CubeSat.
>
>
>
>Here?s a quick summary of F-1? frequencies:
>
>-          145.980 MHz: main channel, 1.0W RF output, FM, AFSK 1200bps, one
>telemetry packet every 30 seconds, operates in the dark by default (but can
>be commanded later to operate in sunlight as well)
>
>-          437.485 MHz: backup channel, 0.2W RF output, FM, PWM CW beacon,
>each beacon transmission lasts about 20 seconds then 60 seconds delay, only
>operates in sunlight
>
>
>
>More information and guide to download F-1 telemetry decoder can be found at
>http://fspace.edu.vn/?page_id=27. Decoded data can be submitted to us via
>the telemetry decoder or by sending to me directly (thuvt@xxx.xxx.xxxx audio
>records are highly appreciated.
>
>
>
>Please feel free to send me a message if there is any question. We would
>really appreciate your kind support!
>
>
>
>73,
>
>Thu XV9AA
>
>F-1 CubeSat Project Manager
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:10:27 -0400
From: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <50609403.4050004@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 09/24/2012 12:39 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
> Or maybe they will be reallocated to them.

The chances of which increases, with every satellite launched that uses
the amateur bands but carries no amateur payload.

> They use them more than we do.

Whose fault is that?

> Maybe hams in your world own frequencies but in tge USA their use is
> a privilege not a right.

In my world, hams have a RIGHT to properly use the frequencies that are
ALLOCATED for their use.  And a RIGHT to complain when they are misused.

--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
The Easternmost Isle


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:15:20 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL - Michael Owen VK3KI (SK)
Message-ID:
<1348506920.49010.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

ARRL note the contribution of Michael Owen VK3KI (SK) to the
Amateur-satellite Service:

?Among the assignments that Michael drew at WARC-79 was to draft a
resolution to exempt the Amateur-Satellite Service from coordination
procedures that otherwise would have bogged us down in endless paperwork and
great expense. As an attorney it was just the sort of thing he was good at.
His work has stood the test of time, and it remains in effect to this day.
No good deed goes unpunished, so in 2003, he was brought back to Geneva as a
member of the IARU team to handle the rewrite of Article 25, the rules that
apply specifically to the Amateur and Amateur-Satellite Services."

See
http://www.arrl.org/news/iaru-region-3-chairman-michael-owen-vk3ki-sk

73 Trevor M5AKA




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:32:24 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID:
<CA+qbou6BRg8TM_ZCFG1hT+UJQXBxjS0Vk6iCPPZsrBTz7Tif4Q@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

In the states ham bands ate under constant pressure from commercial
intetests on the FCC for reallocation. Having those birds up there proves
the need and helps stave off reallocation. If we leabe them unused they
will go away. If I could launch a cube sat for my experimental interests it
would use ham bands and may only send back tlm. So am I prohibited from
that?

John, AG9D
On Sep 24, 2012 12:10 PM, "Gus 8P6SM" <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> On 09/24/2012 12:39 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
>
>> Or maybe they will be reallocated to them.
>>
>
> The chances of which increases, with every satellite launched that uses
> the amateur bands but carries no amateur payload.
>
>  They use them more than we do.
>>
>
> Whose fault is that?
>
>  Maybe hams in your world own frequencies but in tge USA their use is
>> a privilege not a right.
>>
>
> In my world, hams have a RIGHT to properly use the frequencies that are
> ALLOCATED for their use.  And a RIGHT to complain when they are misused.
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
>


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:42:10 +0200
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: "'Vu Trong Thu'" <thuvt@xxx.xxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <000901cd9a7b$ed1b59e0$c7520da0$@xx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="Windows-1252"

Dear Thu,
... good luck for an successful mission! As you already know - my station is
up and running to support you and your student group. Looking forward to
receiving F-1 telemetry.

Best wishes, 73
Mike
DK3WN

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Im
Auftrag von Vu Trong Thu
Gesendet: Montag, 24. September 2012 13:29
An: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Betreff: [amsat-bb] Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat

Dear everyone,

According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5 CubeSats to space by
the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried out on Thursday,
September  27. Here is the plan:

-          First, 15h10 to 15h20: WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1

-          Second,16h30 to 16h40: TechEdSat, F-1 v? FITSAT-1 from POD#2



All time in UTC. The event is planned to be broadcasted live on the
following websites:

http://iss.jaxa.jp/iss/jaxa_exp/hoshide/library/live/

http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv



30 minutes after deployment from the station, F-1 will begin transmitting
beacon alternatively on its main and backup channels. Telemetry and beacon
data from F-1 contain critical information about the satellite?s health
(battery & solar cell voltages, temperature readings) and they are very
important to us, especially in the first week of operation. Thus, we would
like to ask the amateur radio community to help in tracking and receiving
data from F-1 CubeSat.



Here?s a quick summary of F-1? frequencies:

-          145.980 MHz: main channel, 1.0W RF output, FM, AFSK 1200bps, one
telemetry packet every 30 seconds, operates in the dark by default (but can
be commanded later to operate in sunlight as well)

-          437.485 MHz: backup channel, 0.2W RF output, FM, PWM CW beacon,
each beacon transmission lasts about 20 seconds then 60 seconds delay, only
operates in sunlight



More information and guide to download F-1 telemetry decoder can be found at
http://fspace.edu.vn/?page_id=27. Decoded data can be submitted to us via
the telemetry decoder or by sending to me directly (thuvt@xxx.xxx.xxxx audio
records are highly appreciated.



Please feel free to send me a message if there is any question. We would
really appreciate your kind support!



73,

Thu XV9AA

F-1 CubeSat Project Manager

_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:03:13 -0400
From: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
To: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <5060A061.4040606@xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

On 09/24/2012 01:32 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
> If I could launch a cube sat for my experimental interests it would use
> ham bands and may only send back tlm. So am I prohibited from that?

I, for one, would oppose the launch of, and object to your Cube Sat's
use of amateur frequencies, if it used those frequencies for non-ham
purposes.

Perhaps you should read ITU Radio Regulations ? Article 1, specifically
parts 55 thru 57:

   1.55 Space research service
   A radiocommunication service in which spacecraft or other objects
   in space are used for scientific or technological research purposes.

   1.56 Amateur service
   A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training,
   intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by
   amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio
   technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.

   1.57 Amateur-satellite service
   A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth satellites
   for the same purposes as those of the amateur service.

We need to be VERY careful to maintain a DISTINCTION between 1.55 and
1.57.  Otherwise, all those who currently operate under 1.55 can simply
start freely using our frequencies and claim to be operating under 1.57
without let or hindrance.  To say that whatever you do, if you simply
claim it is "self-training" or "technical investigation" you get free
use of the ham bands is to open a particularly nasty can of worms.

--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
The Easternmost Isle


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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:26:19 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG QSLs
Message-ID:
<CAEMY9FfpNi9nfToLs4_y2HJO=VDH38dYT4-daeL0Fk2n-5a01w@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

For those interested,

My grid confirmations just arrived in the mail today from Yuri's QSL
manager, so I'm sure those of you who are waiting may see them soon also.

Dave-KB1PVH

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR


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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:48:39 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID: <5060AB07.3060503@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Drew responded very appropriately. I would suggest that no further
reply's are needed to Gus on the subject and that this discourse end
lest we get into another waste of time and bandwidth.

Good luck to all upcoming ISS CubeSat launches.

Regards...Bill - N6GHz



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:56:29 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Need your support to track F-1 CubeSat
Message-ID:
<CA+qbou58sBrw9rnregFTzSv1wP3jbCyVWfk40uC_J39ehu6qMg@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

I fail to see where your references prohibit such activity as long as hams
are involved. Would a school ham radio club be prohibited ? I think the
main issue is that these birds don't satisfy YOUR personal interest. Just
as ragchewing and dx-ing don't satisfy the schools exerimental goals. So
maybe helping them build a transponder would satisfy both. But then its not
HEO so maybe just let the freqs die until funding is there for the
appropriate use. By then thiae freqs will have long since been reallocated

Its beating a dead horse. That want HEO dx-ing and ragchewing are free to
build one. You don't need AMSAT anywhere do do that. Channel your energy
into such a constructive project. I seriously doubt the complaining will
get anything done.

John, AG9D
On Sep 24, 2012 1:03 PM, "Gus 8P6SM" <8p6sm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:

> On 09/24/2012 01:32 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
>
>> If I could launch a cube sat for my experimental interests it would use
>> ham bands and may only send back tlm. So am I prohibited from that?
>>
>
> I, for one, would oppose the launch of, and object to your Cube Sat's use
> of amateur frequencies, if it used those frequencies for non-ham purposes.
>
> Perhaps you should read ITU Radio Regulations ? Article 1, specifically
> parts 55 thru 57:
>
>   1.55 Space research service
>   A radiocommunication service in which spacecraft or other objects
>   in space are used for scientific or technological research purposes.
>
>   1.56 Amateur service
>   A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training,
>   intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by
>   amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio
>   technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.
>
>   1.57 Amateur-satellite service
>   A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth satellites
>   for the same purposes as those of the amateur service.
>
> We need to be VERY careful to maintain a DISTINCTION between 1.55 and
> 1.57.  Otherwise, all those who currently operate under 1.55 can simply
> start freely using our frequencies and claim to be operating under 1.57
> without let or hindrance.  To say that whatever you do, if you simply claim
> it is "self-training" or "technical investigation" you get free use of the
> ham bands is to open a particularly nasty can of worms.
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
>


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