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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 22% votes (Daniel)
2. Re: 22% votes (Ken Ernandes)
3. Re: 22% votes (n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
4. Re: Information on Ballots (Jim Wright)
5. Re: Information on Ballots (Marc Vermeersch)
6. Re: Information on Ballots (Andrew Squires)
7. Re: Information on Ballots (John Spasojevich)
8. AMSAT Awards (Bruce)
9. CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite (Trevor .)
10. Re: CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite (Iain Young, G7III)
11. ?Thor Hammer? - Idea for Tossing Satellites (Zilvinas, LY2SS)
12. Re: CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite (GRAHAM SHIRVILLE)
13. ARRL / IARU - Satellite Spectrum (Trevor .)
14. Re: Information on Ballots (Bill Bordy, NJ1H )
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:22:43 -0700
From: "Daniel" <kf1buz@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes
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The numbers are low, was there an option to vote on line? That may be
something to look at for next year or something like it
********* Dan
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:47:01 -0400
From: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Daniel <kf1buz@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes
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I disagree with the principle of prodding apathetic people to vote. If
somebody isn't willing to do the research, fill out a card, and mail it
back, then why should we go out of our way to get a vote they themselves
apparently don't care about. I'm more interested in the opinions of those
who are motivated enough to do this relatively simple task. I don't
understand the fixation with getting a higher percentage of the membership
to vote.
73, Ken N2WWD
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:22 PM, "Daniel" <kf1buz@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> The numbers are low, was there an option to vote on line? That may be
> something to look at for next year or something like it
>
> ********* Dan
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:55:24 -0400
From: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Daniel" <kf1buz@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes
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Hey! Thats an interesting idea!
Dave, AA4KN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel" <kf1buz@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 22% votes
> The numbers are low, was there an option to vote on line? That may be
> something to look at for next year or something like it
>
> ********* Dan
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:33:10 -0400
From: Jim Wright <wrightjrjr@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on Ballots
Message-ID: <5058E896.40708@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Perhaps I am not the only one this happend too, but...... The long lag
in receipt and return deadline caused mine to get covered up and
forgotten until too late. If the deadline were shorter, I would have
voted and put it back in the return mail the next day.
Jim WA4IVM
Amsat 31517
ps: Yes! I am happy as things are going!
On 9/18/2012 12:43 PM, N0JY wrote:
> Always makes me wonder, do people really not care, or does the board
> always do such a wonderful job that everyone is so happy no matter who
> is elected to the board?
>
> Did all of the people who complain about AMSAT and the lack of this or
> that satellite or feature or they way they are built or when do we get
> another HEO or how someone failed once, did they all vote?
>
> Seems to be true of anything anymore, only 10% of our homeowners
> showed up for the annual meeting. 5% of those had complaints that
> they only voice once a year at the annual meeting. I don't know if
> that means I'm doing a great job as a board member, or nobody gives a
> hoot either way.
>
> 73
> Jerry
> N0JY
>
> On 9/18/2012 10:37 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote:
>> So with 700 ballots received, we got a return rate of 22%.
>>
>> 73s,
>>
>> Alan
>> WA4SCA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Martha
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:13 AM
>> To: AMSAT BB
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Information on Ballots
>>
>> This year, 3176 ballots were mailed.
>>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:02:30 +0200
From: "Marc Vermeersch" <sillyconmarc@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'John Spasojevich'" <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>, <n0jy@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on Ballots
Message-ID: <000a01cd95d0$28b529f0$7a1f7dd0$@xxx>
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I got a ballot... Why would I care? I became a (European) LM about 15-20
years ago... I have been ignored on at least three occasions and rejected on
2 more when trying to volunteer for technical work. I now spend my time and
money in places where it is appreciated...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of John Spasojevich
> Sent: dinsdag 18 september 2012 19:18
> To: n0jy@xxxx.xxx
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on Ballots
>
> All of the above. Most care less about the politics. Even fewer
> actually would give their time to make a difference. But there never is
> a shortage of complainers.
>
> John AG9D
> On Sep 18, 2012 11:57 AM, "N0JY" <n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > Always makes me wonder, do people really not care, or does the board
> > always do such a wonderful job that everyone is so happy no matter
> who
> > is elected to the board?
> >
> > Did all of the people who complain about AMSAT and the lack of this
> or
> > that satellite or feature or they way they are built or when do we
> get
> > another HEO or how someone failed once, did they all vote?
> >
> > Seems to be true of anything anymore, only 10% of our homeowners
> > showed up for the annual meeting. 5% of those had complaints that
> > they only voice once a year at the annual meeting. I don't know if
> > that means I'm doing a great job as a board member, or nobody gives a
> hoot either way.
> >
> > 73
> > Jerry
> > N0JY
> >
> > On 9/18/2012 10:37 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote:
> >
> >> So with 700 ballots received, we got a return rate of 22%.
> >>
> >> 73s,
> >>
> >> Alan
> >> WA4SCA
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx
> >> [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxxxx.xxx<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Martha
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:13 AM
> >> To: AMSAT BB
> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Information on Ballots
> >>
> >> This year, 3176 ballots were mailed.
> >>
> >>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:57:37 +1000
From: Andrew Squires <asquires@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on Ballots
Message-ID: <AE51211D-89E4-405F-A8D3-0BE48FBF3C91@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
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My ballot paper was not received here in Australia ? I always vote , maybe
because voting is compulsory in Australia. Perhaps their was problem with
the overseas post ?
73 Andy
VK3AS LM-1837
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:39:56 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: n0jy@xxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on Ballots
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We streamed the entire symposium in Chicago, granted it was audio only, but
a lot of it depends on the hotels internet, this year BATC even warned that
they might not be able to live stream if the hotel connection wasn't good.
Last year they tried streaming the General Meeting, I caught the first
bits, it was done with an iPad which may not be the best choice, streaming
to the AMSAT Echolink reflector requires a couple of "backdoor" things to
avoid timeouts and interference form other stations as we do with the ARISS
contacts and I don't believe that bit of software is available for iPad.
Also the hotel in San Jose may not have had good internet. I like the idea
of live stream but I'm probably in the minority.
John - AG9D
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM, N0JY <n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hopefully many will be able to come to the Symposium in October, and if
> they can't make it hopefully there will be some live streaming video so
> that we can all participate in AMSAT's program and future!
>
>
> On 9/18/2012 12:18 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
>
> All of the above. Most care less about the politics. Even fewer actually
> would give their time to make a difference. But there never is a shortage
> of complainers.
>
> John AG9D
> On Sep 18, 2012 11:57 AM, "N0JY" <n0jy@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Always makes me wonder, do people really not care, or does the board
>> always do such a wonderful job that everyone is so happy no matter who is
>> elected to the board?
>>
>> Did all of the people who complain about AMSAT and the lack of this or
>> that satellite or feature or they way they are built or when do we get
>> another HEO or how someone failed once, did they all vote?
>>
>> Seems to be true of anything anymore, only 10% of our homeowners showed
>> up for the annual meeting. 5% of those had complaints that they only voice
>> once a year at the annual meeting. I don't know if that means I'm doing a
>> great job as a board member, or nobody gives a hoot either way.
>>
>> 73
>> Jerry
>> N0JY
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:36:42 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Awards
Message-ID: <5059139A.7020809@xxxxx.xxx>
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Here are our latest AMSAT Awards recipients.
The following have entered into the Satellite Communicators Club for
making their first satellite QSO.
Steven Holland, KC9TTQ
Ron Reiter, KD8SEV
Dan Kowell, AL7RS
Michael Mustachia, KF5PHA
Randy Morden, VE6RGU
Glyn Dodwell, GM4CFS
The following have earned the AMSAT Communications Achievement Award.
Kenneth Holland, KC9TTR, #550
The following have earned the South Africa Satellite Communications
Achievement Award.
Kenneth Holland, KC9TTR, #US179
The following have earned their Robert W. Barbee, Jr. W4AMI Award
Theo Doty, AA5CK, #79
To see all the awards visit http://www.amsat.org or
http://www.amsatnet.com
Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT*
Also streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com
Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:52:11 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
Message-ID:
<1348015931.89042.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
http://www.uk.amsat.org/?p=10387
also on the AMSAT-UK site:
Space is the Place: Student Built Cube Satellites
http://www.uk.amsat.org/?p=10374
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:42:47 +0100
From: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
Message-ID: <50596967.5010508@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Trevor,
On 19/09/12 01:52, Trevor . wrote:
> CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
> http://www.uk.amsat.org/?p=10387
Is this the same CAMsat as Graham mentioned in his presentation, or an
entirely different spacecraft ?
73s
Iain
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:06:48 +0300
From: "Zilvinas, LY2SS" <zilvinas@xxxxx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ?Thor Hammer? - Idea for Tossing Satellites
Message-ID: <50598B28.4040404@xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
http://mashable.com/2012/09/17/nasa-thor-hammer/
73, Zilvis LY2SS
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:13:16 +0100 (BST)
From: GRAHAM SHIRVILLE <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii@xxxxx.xxx>, "Trevor ."
<m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
Message-ID:
<1348049596.28802.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Iain,
no - they are totally different projects!
CAMSAT ?is the Chinese AMSAT organisation I believe
CAMcube is the working name for a joint venture project between Cranfield
University and AMSAT-UK. This will/may be a 1 or 2U cubesat and is in
response to ESA's recent Notification of
Interest?http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Education/SEMRLXSX55H_0.html
73
Graham
G3VZV
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From: "Iain Young, G7III" <g7iii@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Trevor . <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012, 7:42
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
Hi Trevor,
On 19/09/12 01:52, Trevor . wrote:
> CAMSAT BUAA-SAT Amateur Radio Satellite
> http://www.uk.amsat.org/?p=10387
Is this the same CAMsat as Graham mentioned in his presentation, or an
entirely different spacecraft ?
73s
Iain
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:01:07 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL / IARU - Satellite Spectrum
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The IARU E Newsletter September 2012 covered WRC-15 issues relating to the
Amateur-satellite Service and the ARRL website has the story at:
http://www.arrl.org/news/looking-ahead-to-wrc-15
It covers issues such as the proposed use of the Amateur-satellite Service
Primary allocation 77.5-78.0 GHz for automotive applications.
Agenda Item 1.18 proposes considering a Primary allocation to the
radiolocation service for automotive applications at 77.5-78.0 GHz in
accordance with Resolution 654 (WRC-12).
Additionally the shortage of Amateur-satellite Service spectrum at VHF/UHF
is covered.
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:15:11 -0400
From: "Bill Bordy, NJ1H " <nj1h@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Information on Ballots
Message-ID: <505A0BAF.4050503@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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I won't give out my exact life member number, but rounded to hundreds is
2200. It was issued in 1997.
Wow, not sure how many are officially declared deceased. 2200/3176 is a
pretty high percentage.
73,
Bill
NJ1H
On 9/18/2012 2:51 PM, Thomas Doyle wrote:
> There was an interesting article in QST a few months ago about the
> number of Hams in the US. They mentioned some of the difficulties in
> determining that number. It is easy to count licenses but of those
> licensed how many are actually active. One thing that could throw off
> the AMSAT numbers is life members. I am guessing that ballots are sent
> to everyone. My life member number is 875 which was issued in 1978. I
> imagine that there are many more life members today but even if mine
> was the last one issued 27% of the 3176 could be life members. Just
> because you are a life member that does not mean you are active or
> even remotely interested.
>
> I found it very difficult to determine who to vote for. My first step
> was to send an email to all the candidates. Only two of them even
> bothered to reply - that pretty much eliminated the rest. Next step
> was to vote for people I actually heard on the satellites. I kept a
> little list in the shack and checked off names as I heard them. When
> it came time to vote there was only one person on that list or in my
> log but they had previously replied to my initial email so were
> already in. I then decided to vote for people who said something
> meaningful in their bio. There was only one but they were already on
> my list. I then decided to vote for the youngest person but ages were
> not listed. My fall back criteria when all else fails is to vote for
> the cutest woman but for obvious reasons that was not possible. All in
> all I think a 22% return rate is pretty good and certainly not worth
> worrying about.
>
> 73 W9KE Tom Doyle
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Alan P. Biddle <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
>> So with 700 ballots received, we got a return rate of 22%.
>>
>> 73s,
>>
>> Alan
>> WA4SCA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
>> Behalf Of Martha
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:13 AM
>> To: AMSAT BB
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Information on Ballots
>>
>> This year, 3176 ballots were mailed.
>>
>> --
>> 73- Martha
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>>
>>
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