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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ISS spacewalk, satellite to be released? (Nico Janssen)
2. ISS orbit boost in progress (Alan P. Biddle)
3. Re: What is the best log software for us? (Gary Mayfield)
4. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Greg Dolkas)
5. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Rick Tejera)
6. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Greg Dolkas)
7. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
8. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Andy MacAllister)
9. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Greg Dolkas)
10. Re: Full Duplex radio? (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
11. Re: Extended rubber ducks / whips on an HT for LEOs
(Gordon JC Pearce)
12. Amsat Symposium call for papers!!! (Daniel Schultz)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:26:29 +0200
From: Nico Janssen <hamsat@xxxxxx.xx>
To: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@xxxxx.xxx>, Amsat - BBs
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS spacewalk, satellite to be released?
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The sphere-shaped satellite was hand-launched at 18:29 UTC on August 20
during a Russian spacewalk. It is called Sfera and is also known as
TEKh-44 and as Vektor-T. It is a steel ball with diameter 53 cm and
mass 9.2 kg. It is to burn up in the atmospere 2 to 5 months from now.
It will be an interesting satellite for practicing decay predictions.
It is object 38751 or 1998-067CM.
73,
Nico PA0DLO
On 2012-08-20 19:43, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
> Okay--which small satellite is going to be released? I've lost track...
>
> from www.nasa.gov :
>
> "International Space Station Expedition 32 Commander Gennady Padalka
> and Flight Engineer Yuri Malenchenko of the Russian Federal Space
> Agency have begun a planned 6 1/2-hour spacewalk.
>
> The pair will move the Strela-2 hand-operated crane from the Pirs
> docking compartment to the Zarya module, preparing Pirs for its
> replacement with a new laboratory and docking module. They will also
> deploy a small satellite and install debris shields on the Zvezda
> module."
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:01:53 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "SAREX-BB" <SAREX@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS orbit boost in progress
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The ISS is having its orbit raised:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/9dv7553
The article describes it being done in two steps, so it will take some time
for the Keps to settle down.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:12:32 -0500
From: Gary Mayfield <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <ea4cyq@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: What is the best log software for us?
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I've been using n3fjp 73,Joe kk0sd
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:13:32 +0200
> From: ea4cyq@xxxxx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] What is the best log software for us?
>
> Nowadays I use a log software based in Microsoft ACCESS.
>
> Do you know a suitable log for us (sat operators) compatible with
> Microsoft Access?
>
> I would not have any objection to transform or convert the fields into
> a different format.
>
> Juan Antonio
> EA4CYQ
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:04:52 -0700
From: Greg Dolkas <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Gary Joe Mayfield'"
<gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
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I'm guessing it lost something in translation, but what exactly are the Stun
and Kill features listed under Main Features?
Greg KO6TH
Sent from my trusty HP iPAQ.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Gary "Joe" Mayfield'" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>; "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: 8/21/12 5:44 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
Joe,
I have email in to Radio Mart about that. Their HT line gets generally
good reviews based on value/$ but with the caveat that they are not on a par
with Kenwood, Yaesu, and Icom WRT features and often performance. Still,
looks interesting.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Gary "Joe" Mayfield
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:06 AM
To: 'AMSAT-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplex radio?
Has anyone played with one of these yet?
http://www.409shop.com/409shop_product.php?id=108702
Is it true full duplex?
Pair it up with any antenna that hears the FM birds and you should be good
to go?
Just Curious,
Joe kk0sd
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:58:24 -0700
From: "Rick Tejera" <saguaroastro@xxx.xxx>
To: "'Greg Dolkas'" <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>, <APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxx>,
"'Gary Joe Mayfield'" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
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Here's a link for where you can get the manual, Page 20, if you can figure
it out, let me know. All it did was add to the confusion as I now want to
know what "Vice Control" is:
http://www.radiomart.biz/-ezp-38.html
Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)
Sagauro Astronomy Club
www.saguaroastro.org
Thunderbird Amatuer Radio Club
www.w7tbc.org
30 Meter Digital Group # 5794
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Greg Dolkas
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2012 18:05
To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxxx 'Gary Joe Mayfield'; 'AMSAT-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
I'm guessing it lost something in translation, but what exactly are the Stun
and Kill features listed under Main Features?
Greg KO6TH
Sent from my trusty HP iPAQ.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Gary "Joe" Mayfield'" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>; "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: 8/21/12 5:44 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
Joe,
I have email in to Radio Mart about that. Their HT line gets generally
good reviews based on value/$ but with the caveat that they are not on a par
with Kenwood, Yaesu, and Icom WRT features and often performance. Still,
looks interesting.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Gary "Joe" Mayfield
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:06 AM
To: 'AMSAT-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplex radio?
Has anyone played with one of these yet?
http://www.409shop.com/409shop_product.php?id=108702
Is it true full duplex?
Pair it up with any antenna that hears the FM birds and you should be good
to go?
Just Curious,
Joe kk0sd
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:57:56 -0700
From: Greg Dolkas <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Rick Tejera <saguaroastro@xxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Gary Joe Mayfield
<gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
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Interesting rig. I'm going to guess that "Inspection" is part of some sort
of Scanning function, as it's an obvious feature not listed elsewhere.
Stun and Kill are probably Pause and Stop or Cancel. Revive would be
Resume. Not sure about Monitor. Maybe it opens the squelch? Ah, perhaps
remotely turns on the transmitter so one can monitor what's going on at the
remote side? It's full duplex, so technically you could do this. Not sure
how it would ID, however.
The Vice Control, by context next to the Master Control, would be a
secondary role, like vice president. The way they are depicted, Master is
more of an Admin / Manager role, and Vice a User / Operator mode, with the
ID codes used as remote access keys.
I'm a bit concerned about their knowledge of Ham Radio, and their intended
market. They seem to be going out of their way to make it like a miniature
phone system (the rig can "ring" when "called"), with 15 number codes (like
speed dials?) and individual Rig IDs. The out of band examples with the
repeater diagram suggest a casual regard for the law, at least by the
manual's author.
Maybe the Vice Control could use the Stun and Kill functions to maintain
order?
Wouff-Hong, good buddy..
Greg KO6TH
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Rick Tejera <saguaroastro@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Here's a link for where you can get the manual, Page 20, if you can figure
> it out, let me know. All it did was add to the confusion as I now want to
> know what "Vice Control" is:
>
> http://www.radiomart.biz/-ezp-38.html
>
> Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)
> Sagauro Astronomy Club
> www.saguaroastro.org
> Thunderbird Amatuer Radio Club
> www.w7tbc.org
> 30 Meter Digital Group # 5794
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Greg Dolkas
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2012 18:05
> To: APBIDDLE@xxxxxxx.xxxx 'Gary Joe Mayfield'; 'AMSAT-BB'
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
>
> I'm guessing it lost something in translation, but what exactly are the
> Stun
> and Kill features listed under Main Features?
>
> Greg KO6TH
>
> Sent from my trusty HP iPAQ.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
> To: "'Gary "Joe" Mayfield'" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>; "'AMSAT-BB'"
> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: 8/21/12 5:44 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
>
> Joe,
>
> I have email in to Radio Mart about that. Their HT line gets generally
> good reviews based on value/$ but with the caveat that they are not on a
> par
> with Kenwood, Yaesu, and Icom WRT features and often performance. Still,
> looks interesting.
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
> Behalf Of Gary "Joe" Mayfield
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:06 AM
> To: 'AMSAT-BB'
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Full Duplex radio?
>
> Has anyone played with one of these yet?
>
>
>
> http://www.409shop.com/409shop_product.php?id=108702
>
>
>
> Is it true full duplex?
>
>
>
> Pair it up with any antenna that hears the FM birds and you should be good
> to go?
>
>
>
> Just Curious,
>
> Joe kk0sd
>
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>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:24:00 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
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Hi Greg!
I'm guessing it lost something in translation, but what exactly are the
> Stun and Kill features
>
Stun and Kill are functions normally used in commercial
two-way radios. These functions allow a radio to be remotely
disabled. Other radios have a "revive" function, which
allows a disabled radio to be remotely reactivated.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:39:31 -0500
From: "Andy MacAllister" <w5acm@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
Message-ID: <D2D7A197B586446CBD80A2EE1F864451@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>From what I have found, it ( BAOJIE BJ-UV55 Dual Band 136-174/400-470MHZ
Transceiver) is not full duplex.
I really like my TH-D72A, but it is a LOT more $$.
I hope to make some Q's via the Hamsats in early September off the coast of
AK with it.
Andy W5ACM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
> Hi Greg!
>
>
> I'm guessing it lost something in translation, but what exactly are the
>> Stun and Kill features
>>
>
> Stun and Kill are functions normally used in commercial
> two-way radios. These functions allow a radio to be remotely
> disabled. Other radios have a "revive" function, which
> allows a disabled radio to be remotely reactivated.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:10:38 -0700
From: Greg Dolkas <ko6th.greg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
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Well, I guess that would make sense too. Thanks Patrick, I'd never heard
of that before.
So, what exactly is their target market for these things? I may not be
confused anymore, but I think they still might be.
Greg KO6TH
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <
amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hi Greg!
>
>
> I'm guessing it lost something in translation, but what exactly are the
> > Stun and Kill features
> >
>
> Stun and Kill are functions normally used in commercial
> two-way radios. These functions allow a radio to be remotely
> disabled. Other radios have a "revive" function, which
> allows a disabled radio to be remotely reactivated.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:09:33 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Full Duplex radio?
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Greg,
> Well, I guess that would make sense too. Thanks Patrick, I'd never heard of
> that before.
>
> So, what exactly is their target market for these things? I may not be
> confused anymore, but I think they still might be.
Since these newer Chinese-made radios come to the US market with FCC
Part 90 certification, they could be used for commercial two-way radio
applications. When these radios were being sold by shops outside the US,
they would not come with any sort of FCC certification. The Wouxon HTs
started this "trend" of having the radios meet FCC Part 90 and marketed
for both amateur and non-amateur use, and sold through US-based
importers and dealers.
It is interesting that they can be certified under Part 90, yet are field-
programmable (for hams, our ability to program the radio memories or
even have access to VFOs) - something that is usually a no-no in the
eyes of the FCC for commercial radios. If that mode is disabled with
the programming software, that may be how the radios are gaining
certification for commercial use. Some commercial radios have a field-
programming mode that requires a passcode or physical key to access,
and is usually only in the realm of the shops that sell and maintain these
radios.
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:00:03 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Extended rubber ducks / whips on an HT for
LEOs
Message-ID: <50351013.1080108@xxxx.xxx>
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On 21/08/12 19:31, B J wrote:
> I made my first satellite QSOs with my FT-817ND and the stock antenna
> that came with it. That combination was adequate provided the
> satellite was at a higher elevation and the downlink was strong and
> clear.
Yeah, but look how far south you are - you get far more chances at
high-elevation passes. Even just a couple of degrees of latitude makes
a hell of a difference.
>
> Those limitations alone persuaded me to get my Arrow Yagi.
I had heard the birds with a K5OE "Handi-Tenna" design pretty well, but
when I actually tried to work them I found a WA5VJB "Cheap Yagi" design
with three elements for 2m and five elements for 70cm was excellent.
Do bear in mind that not everyone *wants* to go for a huge
computer-controlled setup with everything done for you. If you want
something incredibly portable a simple crossed Yagi and a dual-band HT
is the weapon of choice.
--
Gordon JC Pearce MM0YEQ
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:01:01 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: ariss-press@xxxxx.xxxx sarex@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-edu@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Amsat Symposium call for papers!!!
Message-ID: <633qHVsaB6480S03.1345658461@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
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This is the second call for papers for the 2012 AMSAT Annual Meeting and Space
Symposium to be held in Orlando, Florida on the weekend of October 26-28,
2012. Proposals for papers, symposium presentations and poster presentations
are invited on any topic of interest to the amateur satellite community. We
request a tentative title of your presentation as soon as possible, with final
copy to be submitted by October 1 for inclusion in the printed proceedings.
Abstracts and papers should be sent to Dan Schultz, N8FGV, at n8fgv@xxxxx.xxx
We still have prime slots available on the speaker's schedule. The Amsat
symposium depends on YOU to make it happen, without speakers there is no
symposium. Please consider doing a presentation, even if you have never done
so in the past. We are especially interested in papers and presentations
involving our educational partnerships with K-12 and university level
classrooms. Education is quickly becoming critical for our future rides to
space.
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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