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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Ham Spirit (Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL)
2. Re: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL) (i8cvs)
3. Re: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL) (Stefan Wagener)
4. European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
(Stefan Wagener)
5. Re: Ham Spirit (Edward R. Cole)
6. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
(Bob- W7LRD)
7. Re: SO-50 Interference (wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxxx
8. Dragon On Its Way Back (B J)
9. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
(i8cvs)
10. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
(Stefan Wagener)
11. GNSS in 23cm (Trevor .)
12. Dragon Has Splashed Down (B J)
13. Re: Dragon On Its Way Back (Alan P. Biddle)
14. Re: Ham Spirit (Eric Knaps, ON4HF)
15. Re: Ham Spirit (Clint Bradford)
16. Re: Ham Spirit (Eric Knaps, ON4HF)
17. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
(i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:23:57 -0600
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120530181752.00bf0058@xxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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At 03:50 PM 5/30/2012 -0700, Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>I am back to contacting schools/museums for NASA regarding their upcoming
>ARISS projects ...
>
>Issues? What issues? (grin)
>
>Clint K6LCS
Don't Ya just love how FM LEO's bring out the best in everyone? ;-)
KB7ADL
Rooting for P3E
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 03:24:53 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>, "Amsat - BBS"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: f2il@xxxxxx.xx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
Message-ID: <000001cd3ecc$6d4b14e0$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
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Hi Eric, ON4HF
Before to call F2IL an European alligator and give bad publicity on
AMSAT-BB I suggest you to use more fair play and send to him
an email and explain to him the problem occurred to day on SO-50
As far I know my friend Jean Marie is an expert satellite operator
and I have with him many correct QSO's on all the linear birds.
Here is the email address of Jean Marie F2IL
f2il@xxxxxx.xx
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: "Amsat - BBS" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:21 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
> Today I wanted to use my arrow and portable to make a qso on SO-50.
> M6DNU (also portable) called me but it took 5 minutes to complete that
> contact.
> F2IL was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen
> to the downlink??
> Give portable stations also a change please! We only have 2 watts of rf
> power.
> Where is the "ham spirit" these days?
> 73,
> Eric.
>
> --
> Amateur Radio Station ON4HF
> Eric Knaps
> Satellite manager UBA
>
>
> http://www.on4hf.be
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:53:36 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Cc: Amsat - BBS <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, f2il@xxxxxx.xx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
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Thanks Domenico,
a quick search on the web turns out some good information about the ability
of F2IL to work satellites. He has a great record and accomplishments. A
personal email enquiring about what was going on is a good way of building
each other up and not causing unnecessary conflict. We all can jump very
quickly to the wrong conclusions and cooler heads need to prevail.
To quote Clint: "Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE
to the point where we can demean fellow hams in public message groups -
WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham privately to see if we could
help them with their system?
It is okay to share frustrations, let's work to make things better for all
of us.
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:24 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Eric, ON4HF
>
> Before to call F2IL an European alligator and give bad publicity on
> AMSAT-BB I suggest you to use more fair play and send to him
> an email and explain to him the problem occurred to day on SO-50
>
> As far I know my friend Jean Marie is an expert satellite operator
> and I have with him many correct QSO's on all the linear birds.
>
> Here is the email address of Jean Marie F2IL
>
> f2il@xxxxxx.xx
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>
> To: "Amsat - BBS" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:21 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
>
>
> > Today I wanted to use my arrow and portable to make a qso on SO-50.
> > M6DNU (also portable) called me but it took 5 minutes to complete that
> > contact.
> > F2IL was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen
> > to the downlink??
> > Give portable stations also a change please! We only have 2 watts of rf
> > power.
> > Where is the "ham spirit" these days?
> > 73,
> > Eric.
> >
> > --
> > Amateur Radio Station ON4HF
> > Eric Knaps
> > Satellite manager UBA
> >
> >
> > http://www.on4hf.be
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:06:36 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
Interest
Message-ID:
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ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool
educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's
encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't
you think?
Stefan VE4NSA
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:22:19 -0800
From: "Edward R. Cole" <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <201205310422.q4V4MJow067679@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Enough. I unsubscribe - there I am finally finished with anything to
do with amsat.
Ed - KL7UW
ex-member 3212 (worked on AO-6)
and now ex bb subscriber!
At 02:58 PM 5/30/2012, you wrote:
>The interesting thing is that this issue was brought up and caused by three
>EU hams. Why and how this type of thing always seems to degenerate into a
>commentary on the general ham condition and a personal war wages between
>people who were not even in the original event is an interesting statement
>in itself. I wonder if I can get a refund on my membership. We surely do
>need more satellites if nothing else than to spread you guys out.
>
>John - AG9D
>
>On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Clint Bradford
><clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
>
> > Back to Eric's original question: "Where is the "ham spirit" these days?"
> >
> > Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE to the point
> > where we can demean fellow hams
> > in public message groups - WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham
> > privately to see if we could help
> > them with their system?
> >
> > A simple email message to the "offending" station asking if he was able to
> > hear the bird ... If he has had any
> > problems with the FM birds in the past ... and find out if he knew he was
> > accidentally stepping on another ham ...
> > THAT'S what any responsible amateur radio licensee should have done FIRST.
> > And THEN write up the experience
> > here. Something like ...
> >
> > "Hey, guys and gals. Was working SO-50 earlier this week, and booming in
> > with a strong signal was K6LCS. That's
> > the good news. The bad news is that he was stepping on everyone else - as
> > if he could not hear the downlinks from
> > the bird. I called him up (his phone number is all over his Web sites) and
> > we both identified the problem: a shorted
> > earpiece cable forced him to work without his normal receive audio setup.
> > He profusely apologized ... and he is not
> > really a "repeat offender." LESSON LEARNED: Purchase quality audio
> > accessories!"
> >
> > Instead, the original message criticizes a fellow ham ... and two more
> > fellow hams publicly chime in with, "Way to go, Eric!" -
> > before finding out the facts of the matter.
> >
> > Call me "old school," I guess. But I am not changing.
> >
> >
> > Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> > http://www.work-sat.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
>_______________________________________________
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>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:48:43 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob- W7LRD <w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
of Interest
Message-ID:
<325748499.507405.1338446923025.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxxx
xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
for the sake of conversation what would a link budget look like for a
transponder on the moon?? Say for L & S band, get out the old AO-40 gear!
(sobsob).? Still rebuilding all antenna systems, includes digging holes,
mixing concrete, welding, gin poles,?trying to convince ?xyl etc.
73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wagener" <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:06:36 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool
educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's
encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't
you think?
Stefan VE4NSA
_______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:14:14 +0000 (UTC)
From: wa4hfn@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID:
<656625719.284251.1338470054618.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xxxx.xxxx
xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I use the DELETE button when I dont like the crap posted and life goes on
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Ben Jackson" <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:29:06 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
BEN>> And we can't comment on it? Wait... What?
Ted has an "anti-Clint" war waging in his own mind. Not sure what started
it. But he is surely
one who sees the demonstrable successful promotion of this aspect of the
amateur radio hobby
by me as something he cannot deal with.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:21:56 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dragon On Its Way Back
Message-ID:
<CAP7QzkNU1xCdZhstOcutdTf3iVsQ-WsUABQ9S7T4pmLSMj6a5A@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Splashdown is scheduled for later this morning.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:31:56 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Stefan Wagener" <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
of Interest
Message-ID: <000101cd3f3a$69ab4ee0$0401a8c0@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple
reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wagener" <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
Interest
> ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
>
> http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
>
> Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
> to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool
> educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's
> encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't
> you think?
>
> Stefan VE4NSA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:48:46 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
of Interest
Message-ID:
<CAKu8kHCVVrhSh+=WzS5Dk5Rx94-gxtxAV=rJkEAkjNs6WArEkQ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting
it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon.
Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
>
> It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple
> reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Wagener" <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
> To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
> Interest
>
>
> > ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
> >
> > http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
> >
> > Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
> together
> > to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool
> > educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's
> > encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't
> > you think?
> >
> > Stefan VE4NSA
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:15:32 +0100 (BST)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] GNSS in 23cm
Message-ID:
<1338477332.67608.YahooMailClassic@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
The May issue of the Microwave Journal has a handy chart showing the scope
of GNSS in 23cm, see
http://www.uk.amsat.org/7921
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:50:07 +0000
From: B J <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dragon Has Splashed Down
Message-ID:
<CAP7QzkNgfLt1PHtUOQWdT1XM4Ew1p65PG2UcCE=1FTH02K7r5w@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
SpaceX just reported the landing and will be confirming its exact location.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:55:09 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'B J'" <va6bmj@xxxxx.xxx>, "'amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Dragon On Its Way Back
Message-ID: <AF5A0D22D1584D6590908218B1E5084F@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Currently reporting splash down at 1542 UTC. Recovery ship saw the chutes.
Alan
WA4SCA
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of B J
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:22 AM
To: amsat-bb
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dragon On Its Way Back
Splashdown is scheduled for later this morning.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:51:25 +0200
From: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <4FC7A18D.2080202@xxxxxxx.xx>
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I'm sorry Clint, but this is the way I see it:
If you can't hear the downlink, stop calling cq because you won't hear
anyone to talk to.
I know that station for a long time and this wasn't the first time.
When I call cq on a lineair transponder, Jean-Marie is also there to
call also cq on the same frequency, why?
I then just move to another qrg, problem solved :-)
But on a fm sat that isn't the case. You get frustrated after a while.
73,
Eric.
Amateur Radio Station ON4HF
Eric Knaps
Satellite manager UBA
http://www.on4hf.be
Op 30/05/2012 23:44, Clint Bradford schreef:
> Back to Eric's original question: "Where is the "ham spirit" these days?"
>
> Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE to the point
where we can demean fellow hams
> in public message groups - WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham
privately to see if we could help
> them with their system?
>
> A simple email message to the "offending" station asking if he was able to
hear the bird ... If he has had any
> problems with the FM birds in the past ... and find out if he knew he was
accidentally stepping on another ham ...
> THAT'S what any responsible amateur radio licensee should have done FIRST.
And THEN write up the experience
> here. Something like ...
>
> "Hey, guys and gals. Was working SO-50 earlier this week, and booming in
with a strong signal was K6LCS. That's
> the good news. The bad news is that he was stepping on everyone else - as
if he could not hear the downlinks from
> the bird. I called him up (his phone number is all over his Web sites) and
we both identified the problem: a shorted
> earpiece cable forced him to work without his normal receive audio setup.
He profusely apologized ... and he is not
> really a "repeat offender." LESSON LEARNED: Purchase quality audio
accessories!"
>
> Instead, the original message criticizes a fellow ham ... and two more
fellow hams publicly chime in with, "Way to go, Eric!" -
> before finding out the facts of the matter.
>
> Call me "old school," I guess. But I am not changing.
>
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.work-sat.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:02:00 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <90A31A99-6660-435B-8826-1FBFE92A5B8F@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> ... If you can't hear the downlink, stop calling ...
Absolutely! If you cannot hear the bird, do not transmit.
>> ... calling CQ ...
Calling "CQ" is not an appropriate method on the FM voice sats.
Clint K6LCS
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:36:38 +0200
From: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: Craig Gagner <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: 'AMSAT BB' <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
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Hi Craig, and others,
I use full duplex from the first day that I use the ham satellites.
I also prefer the ssb birds but if I am working handheld with an arrow
antenna I can only work the fm sats for now :-( with 2 portables, full
duplex as it should be.
If Jean-Marie had wait for about 20 seconds, then there was no problem,
but constantly calling cq on top of anybody else makes it more difficult
to get the qso done.
I got an email from M6DNU that evening, also complaining about the
constant cq calling and thanking me for my patience.
Let this be a lesson for everybody, if two stations are exchanging a
report en grid locator, please let them do that and when the qso is
over, THEN call cq.
I seem to have stepped on some people's toes and I apoligize for that. I
was frustrated when I wrote to this reflector because constant calling
cq on the fm sats is a common problem here in Europe.
I don't understand why people are doing that. What is the point of
calling cq when two other persons are in qso? (for only a few seconds!)
It's just a waste of time. And everybody gets frustrated because 1
person is keeping the sat occupied and nobody can make a contact.
Once again, my apoligies to Jean-Marie. I hope he will forgive me.
73,
Eric.
Amateur Radio Station ON4HF
Eric Knaps
Satellite manager UBA
http://www.on4hf.be
Op 31/05/2012 00:47, Craig Gagner schreef:
> After doing a little research I think Eric is more than qualified to know
> what Amateur Radio is all about and how the Ham Spirit has changed. After
> working HF for over 20 years he is well aware. He has a very impressive
> looking Satellite set up and I am sure he could hear his own signal quite
> well. Of course some of the self proclaimed expert instructors don't think
> you need any of that fancy gear and continue to encourage the bare minimum
> in equipment resulting in these Alligators!
>
> A day doesn't pass where someone is out there calling CQ and obviously can't
> hear thier own signal, or anyone else for that matter. I have sent numerous
> friendly e-mails with no responses, but again, a majority don't have an
> e-mail listed on QRZ.
>
> Full duplex should be the only way satellite operations are taught, and not
> doing it should be considered malicious interference!
>
> 73
> Craig
> W1MSG
> Back to the SSB Birds for me !
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:46:28 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Stefan Wagener" <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
of Interest
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Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only
to make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage
to put something into earth orbit.
The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or
for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can
be experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on
satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to
place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Wagener
To: i8cvs
Cc: Amsat - BBs
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
Interest
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about
putting it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the
moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx> wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the
simple
reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wagener" <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Amsat - BBs" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
Interest
> ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
>
> http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
>
> Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
> to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool
> educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it.
Let's
> encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it,
don't
> you think?
>
> Stefan VE4NSA
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