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Today's Topics:
1. I: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL) (Francesco Grappi)
2. SO-50 Interference (Clint Bradford)
3. Re: I: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
(PE0SAT | Amateur Radio)
4. Re: SO-50 Interference (Ted)
5. Re: SO-50 Interference (Clint Bradford)
6. Re: SO-50 Interference (Ted)
7. Re: SO-50 Interference (Ben Jackson)
8. Re: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL) (Tony Langdon)
9. Re: SO-50 Interference (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: SO-50 Interference (John Spasojevich)
11. Ham Spirit (Clint Bradford)
12. Re: Ham Spirit (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
13. W1AW on AO27 1 June (Mark Spencer)
14. Re: Ham Spirit (Jeff Yanko)
15. Re: Ham Spirit (Craig Gagner)
16. Re: Ham Spirit (Clint Bradford)
17. Re: SO-50 Interference (John Spasojevich)
18. Re: Ham Spirit (John Spasojevich)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:25:32 +0200
From: "Francesco Grappi" <f.grappi@xxx.xx>
To: "'Amsat - BBs'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] I: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
Message-ID: <6D18419A39354AD3B2031DBFD8AA3405@xxxxxx>
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Well done Eric !
73"
IW4DVZ Frank
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx Per conto
di
Eric Knaps, ON4HF
Inviato: mercoled? 30 maggio 2012 18.22
A: Amsat - BBS
Oggetto: [amsat-bb] European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
Today I wanted to use my arrow and portable to make a qso on SO-50.
M6DNU (also portable) called me but it took 5 minutes to complete that
contact.
F2IL was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen
to the downlink??
Give portable stations also a change please! We only have 2 watts of rf
power.
Where is the "ham spirit" these days?
73,
Eric.
--
Amateur Radio Station ON4HF
Eric Knaps
Satellite manager UBA
http://www.on4hf.be
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:26:21 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Interference
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>> ... was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen to
the downlink?
Personally, I would have privately emailed him and explained the situation
... BEFORE publicly demeaning
him in any public message forum.
And I just sent him a private, polite email. Nothing accusatory. No calling
him an "alligator" or "intentional
interference source."
Let's see what we get as a response.
Clint K6LCS
909-241-7666
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:46:17 +0200
From: PE0SAT | Amateur Radio <pe0sat@xxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
Message-ID: <f11f0bc4099212aed5824aeecf0552a0@xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
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Yes! I also agree Well done.
PE0SAT Jan
On 30-05-2012 21:25, Francesco Grappi wrote:
> Well done Eric !
> 73"
> IW4DVZ Frank
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx
> Per conto di
> Eric Knaps, ON4HF
> Inviato: mercoled? 30 maggio 2012 18.22
> A: Amsat - BBS
> Oggetto: [amsat-bb] European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
>
> Today I wanted to use my arrow and portable to make a qso on SO-50.
> M6DNU (also portable) called me but it took 5 minutes to complete
> that
> contact.
> F2IL was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even
> listen
> to the downlink??
> Give portable stations also a change please! We only have 2 watts of
> rf
> power.
> Where is the "ham spirit" these days?
> 73,
> Eric.
>
> --
> Amateur Radio Station ON4HF
> Eric Knaps
> Satellite manager UBA
>
>
> http://www.on4hf.be
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:41:13 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID: <D3305BA2533647ED8F2AADDCD28FD3FF@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Clint, why on earth would you feel compelled to get in the middle of another
ham's business or posting ?
you are truly amazing....a true 'legend in your own mind'
jeez, just shut up one in awhile
73, Ted, K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:26 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Interference
>> ... was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen to
the downlink?
Personally, I would have privately emailed him and explained the situation
... BEFORE publicly demeaning
him in any public message forum.
And I just sent him a private, polite email. Nothing accusatory. No calling
him an "alligator" or "intentional
interference source."
Let's see what we get as a response.
Clint K6LCS
909-241-7666
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:49:25 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID: <8E96CF9D-2B00-4727-868F-EC39615D0A84@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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I dislike assholes in any aspect of my life. "Amateur radio" conversations
should be positive and
entertaining and educational experiences. And not a demeaning, name-calling,
childish activity.
I suppose you also sent messages to the other two guys who wrote, "Way to go
- insulting
fellow hams is OK in my book!" - to tell them the same.
But, knowing you, I am sure you did not.
And so it goes ...
Clint K6LCS
"Leaving quite a legacy in the amateur radio world, indeed."
On May 30, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Ted wrote:
Clint, why on earth would you feel compelled to get in the middle of another
ham's business or posting ?
you are truly amazing....a true 'legend in your own mind'
jeez, just shut up one in awhile
73, Ted, K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:26 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Interference
>> ... was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen to
the downlink?
Personally, I would have privately emailed him and explained the situation
... BEFORE publicly demeaning
him in any public message forum.
And I just sent him a private, polite email. Nothing accusatory. No calling
him an "alligator" or "intentional
interference source."
Let's see what we get as a response.
Clint K6LCS
909-241-7666
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909-241-7666
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:55:32 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID: <AE3A5B60240B4E628DA52BB5DDE3117D@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The prosecution rests
-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Bradford [mailto:clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:49 PM
To: Ted
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Interference
I dislike assholes in any aspect of my life. "Amateur radio" conversations
should be positive and
entertaining and educational experiences. And not a demeaning, name-calling,
childish activity.
I suppose you also sent messages to the other two guys who wrote, "Way to go
- insulting
fellow hams is OK in my book!" - to tell them the same.
But, knowing you, I am sure you did not.
And so it goes ...
Clint K6LCS
"Leaving quite a legacy in the amateur radio world, indeed."
On May 30, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Ted wrote:
Clint, why on earth would you feel compelled to get in the middle of another
ham's business or posting ?
you are truly amazing....a true 'legend in your own mind'
jeez, just shut up one in awhile
73, Ted, K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:26 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Interference
>> ... was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even listen to
the downlink?
Personally, I would have privately emailed him and explained the situation
... BEFORE publicly demeaning
him in any public message forum.
And I just sent him a private, polite email. Nothing accusatory. No calling
him an "alligator" or "intentional
interference source."
Let's see what we get as a response.
Clint K6LCS
909-241-7666
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909-241-7666
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:08:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Ted <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: 'Clint Bradford' <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1205301705060.3095@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>
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On Wed, 30 May 2012, Ted wrote:
> Clint, why on earth would you feel compelled to get in the middle of another
> ham's business or posting ?
Another Ham's business... Talking (Complaining) about satellites... On a
public mailing list... about... satellites... And we can't comment on it?
Wait... What?
--
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:14:28 +1000
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Eric Knaps, ON4HF" <on4hf@xxxxxxx.xx>, Amsat - BBS
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European alligator on SO-50 (F2IL)
Message-ID: <4fc68dbc.21ea440a.2d51.566d@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 02:21 AM 5/31/2012, Eric Knaps, ON4HF wrote:
>Today I wanted to use my arrow and portable to make a qso on SO-50.
>M6DNU (also portable) called me but it took 5 minutes to complete that
contact.
>F2IL was constantly calling cq on top of us. Do these guys even
>listen to the downlink??
>Give portable stations also a change please! We only have 2 watts of rf
power.
>Where is the "ham spirit" these days?
I'd say he couldn't hear his own downlink. That's certainly a common
problem. The best way to deal with these people is if you're within
simplex range, call them up on the downlink frequency after the pass
and give them a few pointers. I've got a couple of people
successfully working satellites that way. Education works wonders. :)
And since you know his callsign, the other way of achieving the same
is to send him an email with some friendly tips.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:29:06 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID: <9F119250-5715-4D3F-80E7-486A31178926@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
BEN>> And we can't comment on it? Wait... What?
Ted has an "anti-Clint" war waging in his own mind. Not sure what started
it. But he is surely
one who sees the demonstrable successful promotion of this aspect of the
amateur radio hobby
by me as something he cannot deal with.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:37:19 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID:
<CA+qbou77YL_iMOeNFUsbyK7S+sXw1gZq=Q7bZ27g2N6CKhW95g@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Maybe the other ham the original guy was complaining about was working SO50
with a dual band/single receive HT himself and was not able to monitor the
downlink while he was calling.
John -AG9D
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2012, Ted wrote:
>
> Clint, why on earth would you feel compelled to get in the middle of
>> another
>> ham's business or posting ?
>>
>
> Another Ham's business... Talking (Complaining) about satellites... On a
> public mailing list... about... satellites... And we can't comment on it?
>
> Wait... What?
>
> --
> Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
> bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:44:21 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <4E3FF103-99C3-44B9-BCFB-33E3753F8A0D@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Back to Eric's original question: "Where is the "ham spirit" these days?"
Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE to the point where
we can demean fellow hams
in public message groups - WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham
privately to see if we could help
them with their system?
A simple email message to the "offending" station asking if he was able to
hear the bird ... If he has had any
problems with the FM birds in the past ... and find out if he knew he was
accidentally stepping on another ham ...
THAT'S what any responsible amateur radio licensee should have done FIRST.
And THEN write up the experience
here. Something like ...
"Hey, guys and gals. Was working SO-50 earlier this week, and booming in
with a strong signal was K6LCS. That's
the good news. The bad news is that he was stepping on everyone else - as if
he could not hear the downlinks from
the bird. I called him up (his phone number is all over his Web sites) and
we both identified the problem: a shorted
earpiece cable forced him to work without his normal receive audio setup. He
profusely apologized ... and he is not
really a "repeat offender." LESSON LEARNED: Purchase quality audio
accessories!"
Instead, the original message criticizes a fellow ham ... and two more
fellow hams publicly chime in with, "Way to go, Eric!" -
before finding out the facts of the matter.
Call me "old school," I guess. But I am not changing.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:24:23 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
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Maybe we should bring back the guillotine?
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE to the point
> where we can demean fellow hams
> in public message groups - WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham
> privately to see if we could help
> them with their system?
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:26:17 -0400
From: "Mark Spencer" <wa8sme@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] W1AW on AO27 1 June
Message-ID: <001601cd3eb3$3c4c16a0$b4e443e0$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I will attempt to put W1AW on AO27 for the Friday, June 1, 1700Z and 1843Z
passes (I'll be portable in the parking lot with an 817 and ARROW). If you
would like a QSL, let me know via e-mail and I'll take care of it.
For those working stiffs---I hear you; I will try to make some Saturday
trips to the League in the future to accommodate those that can't work the
birds on week days. I know for sure I will be doing a pre Teachers
Institute test on AO27 on Sunday July 22nd. I will confirm that via this
venue before the operation.
73,
Mark
Mark Spencer, WA8SME
Education and Technology Program Director
ARRL, the national association for Amateur RadioTM
43 Pinelock Dr.
Gales Ferry, CT 06335
860-381-5335
860-460-1139 (cell)
mspencer@xxxx.xxx
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:35:08 -0700
From: "Jeff Yanko" <wb3jfs@xxx.xxx>
To: "Clayton Coleman W5PFG" <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>, "Clint Bradford"
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <2569A2174D834427BFFA5899061574F4@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I say we all mellow out and listen to some songs from Lynyrd Skynyrd,
especially one song in particular. "Don't Ask Me No Questions." It'll
probably solve some of the ongoing issues and show a perspective as to why
this is getting out of hand.
73,
Jeff WB3JFS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clayton Coleman W5PFG" <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Clint Bradford" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:24 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
> Maybe we should bring back the guillotine?
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Clint Bradford
> <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
>
>> Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE to the point
>> where we can demean fellow hams
>> in public message groups - WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham
>> privately to see if we could help
>> them with their system?
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:47:01 -0400
From: "Craig Gagner" <crgagner@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <CA5A0CA8699847BF96EF12D58DFB35EF@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
After doing a little research I think Eric is more than qualified to know
what Amateur Radio is all about and how the Ham Spirit has changed. After
working HF for over 20 years he is well aware. He has a very impressive
looking Satellite set up and I am sure he could hear his own signal quite
well. Of course some of the self proclaimed expert instructors don't think
you need any of that fancy gear and continue to encourage the bare minimum
in equipment resulting in these Alligators!
A day doesn't pass where someone is out there calling CQ and obviously can't
hear thier own signal, or anyone else for that matter. I have sent numerous
friendly e-mails with no responses, but again, a majority don't have an
e-mail listed on QRZ.
Full duplex should be the only way satellite operations are taught, and not
doing it should be considered malicious interference!
73
Craig
W1MSG
Back to the SSB Birds for me !
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:50:20 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Jeff Yanko" <wb3jfs@xxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
Message-ID: <40D11137-D720-4D29-B6CB-CC982D01EB30@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I am back to contacting schools/museums for NASA regarding their upcoming
ARISS projects ...
Issues? What issues? (grin)
Clint K6LCS
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:53:29 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SO-50 Interference
Message-ID:
<CA+qbou7MU2HZM9OmCdG_9YsU=--W3gW6AbcihEOPp7qCozZu1g@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
the original guy I was speaking of was the station the original poster
mentioned as not listening on the downlink
John - AG9D
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I was the "original guy" and your not even close or warm.
>
> John
>
> At 04:37 PM 5/30/2012, you wrote:
> >Maybe the other ham the original guy was complaining about was working
> SO50
> >with a dual band/single receive HT himself and was not able to monitor the
> >downlink while he was calling.
> >
> >John -AG9D
> >
> >On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 30 May 2012, Ted wrote:
> >>
> >> Clint, why on earth would you feel compelled to get in the middle of
> >>> another
> >>> ham's business or posting ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Another Ham's business... Talking (Complaining) about satellites... On a
> >> public mailing list... about... satellites... And we can't comment on
> it?
> >>
> >> Wait... What?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
> >> bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________**_________________
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:58:19 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ham Spirit
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The interesting thing is that this issue was brought up and caused by three
EU hams. Why and how this type of thing always seems to degenerate into a
commentary on the general ham condition and a personal war wages between
people who were not even in the original event is an interesting statement
in itself. I wonder if I can get a refund on my membership. We surely do
need more satellites if nothing else than to spread you guys out.
John - AG9D
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Clint Bradford
<clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>wrote:
> Back to Eric's original question: "Where is the "ham spirit" these days?"
>
> Well, I ask, WHEN did the true spirit of ham radio CHANGE to the point
> where we can demean fellow hams
> in public message groups - WITHOUT simply contacting an "offending" ham
> privately to see if we could help
> them with their system?
>
> A simple email message to the "offending" station asking if he was able to
> hear the bird ... If he has had any
> problems with the FM birds in the past ... and find out if he knew he was
> accidentally stepping on another ham ...
> THAT'S what any responsible amateur radio licensee should have done FIRST.
> And THEN write up the experience
> here. Something like ...
>
> "Hey, guys and gals. Was working SO-50 earlier this week, and booming in
> with a strong signal was K6LCS. That's
> the good news. The bad news is that he was stepping on everyone else - as
> if he could not hear the downlinks from
> the bird. I called him up (his phone number is all over his Web sites) and
> we both identified the problem: a shorted
> earpiece cable forced him to work without his normal receive audio setup.
> He profusely apologized ... and he is not
> really a "repeat offender." LESSON LEARNED: Purchase quality audio
> accessories!"
>
> Instead, the original message criticizes a fellow ham ... and two more
> fellow hams publicly chime in with, "Way to go, Eric!" -
> before finding out the facts of the matter.
>
> Call me "old school," I guess. But I am not changing.
>
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS
> http://www.work-sat.com
>
>
>
>
>
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