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Today's Topics:
1. P3E / P5A projects @ AMSAT-DL (Andy Kellner)
2. VEGA Maiden flight tomorrow (Graham Shirville)
3. Re: P3E / P5A projects @ AMSAT-DL (Stefan Wagener)
4. moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab (Jeff KB2M)
5. Re: moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
6. Preliminary TLE's For Mondays Vega Launch (Trevor .)
7. Re: moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:54:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Andy Kellner <hawat1@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] P3E / P5A projects @ AMSAT-DL
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>From the amsat-dl website:
"Following preliminary work the formal go-ahead was given in 2002 by
AMSAT-DL for the P5A Mars probe.
It should begin its nine-month journey during launch windows in 2009 or
2011. Before then AMSAT-DL will
launch the P3E communications satellite with many test elements for the Mars
mission."
"Many mechanical and electrical elements for the P3-E Satellite are ready to
fly, or being finalized shortly. After the proper tests under space
conditions (i.e. temperature tests in a vacuum chamber and vibration tests),
AMSAT P3-E is ready for launch in Summer 2007."? (Viele mechanische und
elektrische Elemente f?r den P3-E Satelliten sind
bereits flugfertig oder stehen kurz vor Ihrer Fertigstellung. Nach
entsprechenden H?rtetests unter Weltraumbedingungen (z.B. Temperaturtest in
einer Vakuum-Kammer und Vibrationstest) steht AMSAT P3-E dann ab
Sommer 2007 f?r einen Start bereit.) [Translated from German into English by
me]
Well here we are in 2012 and there is not even the hint of an idea
if/when/how P3-E might be launched. Somebody posted earlier that the
earliest even remote possibility for a launch with Ariane-V will be 2018 ?
The satellite itself is far from completion due to what ? Lack of funding,
interest, qualified people to work on ? And yet Amsat-DL is planning to work
on a MARS (!) mission since 2002, with a launch window in 2007, with a P3E
launch _before_ that ?
I mean, I am all for great goals and bringing research forward and all. But
maybe sometimes, somebody must admit that the goals set are a bit to
ambitious ? In 2002 things might have looked a bit more positive, but today
one could consider P5A nothing more then a pipe dream and even P3E fairly
unrealistic ? Things have changed, researching, building, testing and
launching of 150 kg HEO satellites (and interplanetary spacecraft for that
manner) have become so expensive and time consuming that it seems
unrealistic for a hobby-club to take on such a task.
You can think of Amsat-NA what you want, but at least they have acknowledged
the sign of times: Get a cheap, small, basic FM LEO in orbit now - Not
because its the best solution for the amateur radio community, but because
this is something which can _done_.
I wish all the amsat organizations around the globe would line up behind one
common goal and put all their efforts and resources behind that. Something
which can be done in a somewhat reasonable time frame. Too bad that there
are too many big ego's and politics involved to actually make that happen.
Just my 2 c
Andreas - VK4HHH
________________________________
From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ANS-041 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin
Hi Kevin!
> ? P3E is off in the future, I don't even think the sat is close to ready to
> launch,
> and then you have the launch itself to consider, I want P3E also but I also
> understand its not going to be soon.
That's been a question of mine, and a question asked of me in the
recent past.? When someone asks me "Should I build my satellite
station to work with HEO satellites now?", my answer is usually
"Don't worry about it, until we have one in orbit".
Until that day comes, I'm going to have fun working our current
satellites - in FM, SSB, and occasionally CW.? When, or if, an
HEO is launched, then I'll gladly reequip my station to work that
as well.
I remember seeing that at the AMSAT-UK Colloquium last year, the
P3E launch cost was quoted as 10 million euros. One thing I have
never been able to clearly determine is how much of that 10 million
euros has been raised.? I know I can buy pixels on that picture that
has been on the AMSAT-DL web page for a long time, but I expect
there has been more raised than just what we see on that picture.
Can anyone connected with AMSAT-DL answer?? That would help
to put the P3E fundraising effort into some context.
AMSAT-NA has the PayPal widgets that started out with one that
was for ARISSat-1 and Fox, and now there's a Fox-only widget on
the AMSAT web site and in other places (like my QRZ.com entries
and web page).? I know there has been more $$$ donated to
AMSAT than just what shows up on the PayPal widget, and I hope
that combined total is publicized shortly - and then publicized on
a regular basis.? The PayPal widget for the Fox project (not the one
that was for ARISSat-1 and Fox) has increased by 1/3 in the past
24 hours since the announcement of the NASA decision.
> ? ?On the other hand FOX is NOW we have a means of getting into space,which
> is the biggest hurdle, so it needs funding NOW to get completed and on that
> ride.
I agree 100%.? I've already made a couple of contributions, and I'm
hoping AMSAT is able to deliver Fox-1 to NASA for that launch. :-)
Projects like FUNcube and KiwiSAT have also done a good job of
publicizing what they have been doing and their needs - financial
or otherwise.? I've contributed to them, and - in the case of
KiwiSAT - made multiple contributions.? I'm all for not putting all of
our eggs in one basket.? More satellites would be a good thing.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:00:38 -0000
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] VEGA Maiden flight tomorrow
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Hi All,
Just a couple of updates!
PW-SAT will have 5 possible operating modes as shown below ? we should
expect the FM/DBS transponder (mode 5) to only be operational after the
science mission has been completed - however the 1k2 BPSK transmissions will
provide some good "in orbit" demonstration signals for AMSAT-UKs's upcoming
FUNcube mission later this year:
DOWN-LINK: 145.900 MHz Available Modes:
1. Receive only mode. DOWN-LINK: none
2. Beacon CW mode. DOWN-LINK: BEACON CW 12 WPM
3. Beacon BPSK mode. DOWN-LINK: BEACON BPSK 1200 bps AX25 (1 frame on 20
sec)
4. Control communication mode. UP-LINK: Commands DOWN-LINK: BPSK 1200 bps
AX25
5. Repeater mode (aka "AO16" mode). UP-LINK: 435.020 MHz FM Voice
DOWN-LINK: 145.900 MHz DSB Voice (repeated from up-link)
During LEOP, the "launch and early operations phase", tomorrow, listeners
are encouraged to gather at the IRC "cubesat" channel to exchange all the
latest available information . You do not need to download a special IRC
client to achieve this - simply point any browser at
http://webchat.freenode.net and join the #cubesat channel.
best 73
Graham
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:12:44 +0700
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Andy Kellner <hawat1@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: P3E / P5A projects @ AMSAT-DL
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Hi Andy,
In all fairness to AMSAT-DL, they are an independent group of amateur
radio operators that have the right to dream big and try hard to make
it work. They are in touch with the German Ministry of Science and
are still very actively looking at options for P3E. It is just not
that simple trying to compete for government funding to support a
launch. As for the status of P3E, the basic components are all there
and can be very quickly finished. Remember, they and we are all folks
that do that because of interest and willingness to volunteer. Yes, it
sounds good to pool all resources together and focus on one project.
At the same time, I think it is great that AMSAT NA is focusing on
Cubesats and AMSAT DL is focussing on P3E+. Diversity is good, as long
as it is not mutually exclusive. We have to have short term solutions
to be able to dream big and make it happen. That's really my key
message. We will always come up with the funds to build the satellite,
we will never come up with all the funds ourselves to launch it (even
AMSAT-NA needs NASA to launch a cubesat). At this point let us help
the folks with Kiwisat, Funcube and Fox etc.
At the moment P3E has a target for launch many of us will help
financially getting it ready. Let's not trash each others project (and
you are not doing that!) but help where it makes a difference right
now. We are sometimes our worst enemies.
BTW, just read the note that Sweden wants to cut out the amateur radio
2.4 GHz frequency for folks there (I think that what it was). They are
trying to make a case for the amateur satellite use of that portion of
the band and as far as I see it, there is no current active 2.4 GHz
satellite for us to point to. We don't even have an argument to help
them. We need any and all satellites to use the spectrum we have. The
more the better. Otherwise, the only thing left for us to do is to HF
(scary thought). Oh, by the way that's a joke (before I get blasted).
All the best, Stefan VE4NSA
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Andy Kellner <hawat1@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From the amsat-dl website:
>
>
> "Following preliminary work the formal go-ahead was given in 2002 by
AMSAT-DL for the P5A Mars probe.
> It should begin its nine-month journey during launch windows in 2009 or
2011. Before then AMSAT-DL will
>
> launch the P3E communications satellite with many test elements for the
Mars mission."
>
> "Many mechanical and electrical elements for the P3-E Satellite are ready
to fly, or being finalized shortly. After the proper tests under space
conditions (i.e. temperature tests in a vacuum chamber and vibration tests),
AMSAT P3-E is ready for launch in Summer 2007."? (Viele mechanische und
elektrische Elemente f?r den P3-E Satelliten sind
> bereits flugfertig oder stehen kurz vor Ihrer Fertigstellung. Nach
> entsprechenden H?rtetests unter Weltraumbedingungen (z.B. Temperaturtest
in einer Vakuum-Kammer und Vibrationstest) steht AMSAT P3-E dann ab
> Sommer 2007 f?r einen Start bereit.) [Translated from German into English
by me]
>
> Well here we are in 2012 and there is not even the hint of an idea
if/when/how P3-E might be launched. Somebody posted earlier that the
earliest even remote possibility for a launch with Ariane-V will be 2018 ?
The satellite itself is far from completion due to what ? Lack of funding,
interest, qualified people to work on ? And yet Amsat-DL is planning to work
on a MARS (!) mission since 2002, with a launch window in 2007, with a P3E
launch _before_ that ?
>
> I mean, I am all for great goals and bringing research forward and all.
But maybe sometimes, somebody must admit that the goals set are a bit to
ambitious ? In 2002 things might have looked a bit more positive, but today
one could consider P5A nothing more then a pipe dream and even P3E fairly
unrealistic ? Things have changed, researching, building, testing and
launching of 150 kg HEO satellites (and interplanetary spacecraft for that
manner) have become so expensive and time consuming that it seems
unrealistic for a hobby-club to take on such a task.
>
> You can think of Amsat-NA what you want, but at least they have
acknowledged the sign of times: Get a cheap, small, basic FM LEO in orbit
now - Not because its the best solution for the amateur radio community, but
because this is something which can _done_.
>
>
> I wish all the amsat organizations around the globe would line up behind
one common goal and put all their efforts and resources behind that.
Something which can be done in a somewhat reasonable time frame. Too bad
that there are too many big ego's and politics involved to actually make
that happen.
>
> Just my 2 c
>
> Andreas - VK4HHH
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> ?From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:00 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ANS-041 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin
>
> Hi Kevin!
>
>> ? P3E is off in the future, I don't even think the sat is close to ready to
>> launch,
>> and then you have the launch itself to consider, I want P3E also but I also
>> understand its not going to be soon.
>
> That's been a question of mine, and a question asked of me in the
> recent past.? When someone asks me "Should I build my satellite
> station to work with HEO satellites now?", my answer is usually
> "Don't worry about it, until we have one in orbit".
>
> Until that day comes, I'm going to have fun working our current
> satellites - in FM, SSB, and occasionally CW.? When, or if, an
> HEO is launched, then I'll gladly reequip my station to work that
> as well.
>
> I remember seeing that at the AMSAT-UK Colloquium last year, the
> P3E launch cost was quoted as 10 million euros. One thing I have
> never been able to clearly determine is how much of that 10 million
> euros has been raised.? I know I can buy pixels on that picture that
> has been on the AMSAT-DL web page for a long time, but I expect
> there has been more raised than just what we see on that picture.
> Can anyone connected with AMSAT-DL answer?? That would help
> to put the P3E fundraising effort into some context.
>
> AMSAT-NA has the PayPal widgets that started out with one that
> was for ARISSat-1 and Fox, and now there's a Fox-only widget on
> the AMSAT web site and in other places (like my QRZ.com entries
> and web page).? I know there has been more $$$ donated to
> AMSAT than just what shows up on the PayPal widget, and I hope
> that combined total is publicized shortly - and then publicized on
> a regular basis.? The PayPal widget for the Fox project (not the one
> that was for ARISSat-1 and Fox) has increased by 1/3 in the past
> 24 hours since the announcement of the NASA decision.
>
>> ? ?On the other hand FOX is NOW we have a means of getting into space,which
>> is the biggest hurdle, so it needs funding NOW to get completed and on that
>> ride.
>
> I agree 100%.? I've already made a couple of contributions, and I'm
> hoping AMSAT is able to deliver Fox-1 to NASA for that launch. :-)
>
> Projects like FUNcube and KiwiSAT have also done a good job of
> publicizing what they have been doing and their needs - financial
> or otherwise.? I've contributed to them, and - in the case of
> KiwiSAT - made multiple contributions.? I'm all for not putting all of
> our eggs in one basket.? More satellites would be a good thing.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:23:28 -0500
From: "Jeff KB2M" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab
Message-ID: <012601cce9a2$a7722070$f6566150$@xxx>
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I'm in the process of moving my main logging program from LOGIC to DXLab.
I've been using DXLab for years as a backup and also to track my LOTW
progress. I never really tried to include my 16,687 satellite contacts into
this until now. I vaguely remember this subject, subject being sat contacts
in LOTW and DXLab. I'm looking for help in doing both. If anyone wrote
anything up, like a procedure to follow it would be greatly appreciated. I
tried searching the DXLab documentation this morning and I was overwhelmed,
there is a lot of it :-) Thanks in advance for any help...
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:53:12 -0600
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <gary_mayfield@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Jeff KB2M'" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab
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I'm in a similar project , but moving from paper to N3FJP. I still do not
have a count yet.
THE paper on satellite and LOTW is:
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/LoTW%20Instructions/N5JB.pdf
Everything in there has worked fine for me.
I am going all the way to back to the oldest log books I have.
Unfortunately, I do not have them back to the beginning of my ham career :-(
73,
Joe kk0sd
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From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Jeff KB2M
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:23 AM
To: 'AMSAT-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab
I'm in the process of moving my main logging program from LOGIC to DXLab.
I've been using DXLab for years as a backup and also to track my LOTW
progress. I never really tried to include my 16,687 satellite contacts into
this until now. I vaguely remember this subject, subject being sat contacts
in LOTW and DXLab. I'm looking for help in doing both. If anyone wrote
anything up, like a procedure to follow it would be greatly appreciated. I
tried searching the DXLab documentation this morning and I was overwhelmed,
there is a lot of it :-) Thanks in advance for any help...
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:23:27 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Trevor ." <m5aka@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Preliminary TLE's For Mondays Vega Launch
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Preliminary sets of TLE's for a launch at 1000, 1100 or 1200 UT are
available via
http://www.uk.amsat.org/4460
73 Trevor M5AKA
AMSAT-UK: http://www.uk.amsat.org/
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:33:07 -0600
From: Clayton Coleman W5PFG <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jeff KB2M <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moving Sat contacts to LOTW and DXLab
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I will be very interested to see what "QSL rate" you get after uploading
16K contacts. I highly encourage others to utilize LotW for satellite
confirmations. I personally love paper and always QSL via mail but enjoy
the "instant gratification" of a Logbook of the World QSL.
Out of roughly 1200 satellite contacts I've uploaded, I am seeing a 4% QSL
rate via Logbook of the World. Most of those are repeat contacts who
regularly upload to LotW like me.
Just for other statistics... I have only confirmed 63 grids of the 200+ I
have confirmed on paper. And the majority of those 63 LotW confirmations
are from stations like WD9EWK or K8YSE who have gone rover.
My advice is to ensure your satellite names and grids (yours and theirs)
correctly match up for all contacts. It is critical for LotW satellite
confirmation. If you did any portable or rover satellite work outside your
home grid, this becomes very critical.
73
Clayton
W5PFG
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Jeff KB2M <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of moving my main logging program from LOGIC to DXLab.
> I've been using DXLab for years as a backup and also to track my LOTW
> progress. I never really tried to include my 16,687 satellite contacts into
> this until now. I vaguely remember this subject, subject being sat contacts
> in LOTW and DXLab. I'm looking for help in doing both. If anyone wrote
> anything up, like a procedure to follow it would be greatly appreciated. I
> tried searching the DXLab documentation this morning and I was overwhelmed,
> there is a lot of it :-) Thanks in advance for any help...
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
>
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