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Today's Topics:
1. Mediocrity vs. minimalist approach
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
2. Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities? (Peter Guelzow)
3. Release spin rate query. (Fred Kennedy)
4. Re: [aprssig] RK3KKPK? (CONNECTED Igates?) (Alan P. Biddle)
5. Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities?
(George and Cheryl Abbott)
6. HI4/AJ5C report for Sunday Jan 29, 2012 (Bob Herrell)
7. Re: Palm Springs Hamfest, Exploding Eggs, and SO-50
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
8. Re: Palm Springs Hamfest, Exploding Eggs, and SO-50
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
9. Re: Palm Springs Hamfest, Exploding Eggs, and SO-50
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
10. Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities (Nitin Muttin)
11. Hats off to Russian satellite operators! (Bato, Andras)
12. CW (Kevin Deane)
13. Re: Hats off to Russian satellite operators! (Andre)
14. Re: Hats off to Russian satellite operators! (i8cvs)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:08:47 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Mediocrity vs. minimalist approach
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Hi Frank!
Let's clear the decks on this one.... you posted:
> The preamp that you don't need, unless you want to push the envelope!
> If mediocrity is your ultimate goal, use the minimalist approach, simple,
> cheap, but if you wish to truly enjoy the full limits of satellite
> communications, give yourself the tools to do the job!
Let's correct one glaring error in the statement above...
MINIMALIST <> MEDIOCRITY
(yes, I capitalized both words intentionally)
One can go with a minimalist station, and not have something that is
mediocre. You can push the envelope, without having to build or buy
a fully-equipped station, complete with a satellite-ready transceiver,
computer control, long-boom Yagis, an az/el rotator, and even
preamps. Also don't forget operator skill. Without that, the fully-
equipped station could be mediocre. Until we get an HEO satellite
in orbit, a minimalist satellite station can work just as well as the
fully-automated station.
I've said it many times on this forum. I enjoy satellite operating. I
started with portable gear, mainly due to restrictions on antennas
and no safe place to set up my gear at the apartment I lived in for
a few years. I now live in a nice house, but it comes with antenna
restrictions. I'm making use of the back yard to work with my
gear (which you could see in the videos I posted last weekend),
and may be able to set up antennas on a tripod that can be put up
only when I'm using it. Until then, I continue to work with the same
portable gear I have been using for while - the same gear that I used
to work you last night from the DM23/DM24 grid boundary, when I
took a detour on my way home from Palm Springs and pulled off a
state highway in western Arizona.
I have over 11,000 satellite QSOs in my log from the past 6+ years.
Not a record, as there are others who have many more in the same
timeframe, but all but about 10 of the 11,000 were made with portable
gear from almost 200 different locations across the USA and 3 other
countries. When I looked at those QSOs a little while back, about
10% of those QSOs were in SSB or CW. I have gear that allows me
to work FM or SSB/CW satellites down to the horizon or the local
surroundings, and I'm not afraid to work signals that are not strong.
Is this mediocre? I think not. I already have the tools to do the job
and enjoy it. Eventually, I will make a QSO with what I will consider
the smallest station I can probably assemble for a non-FM satellite
QSO - a TH-F6A HT sending CW to FO-29, listening to the downlink
on the all-mode receiver in that HT.
As for preamps, there are situations where they may be needed. For
example, I talked with Bob KO6TZ at the hamfest in Palm Sptings
yesterday morning. He explained that he has a 125-foot coax run
from his antennas into his shack. Short of buying very low-loss coax
that is cost-prohibitive (if there is a type of coax for that length), he
uses preamps at his antennas. That's one example where preamps
are called for. That's a far cry from those using HTs with antennas
like the Arrow Yagi, Elk log periodic, or similar homebrew designs -
where coax runs are only a few feet at most, not 125 feet.
As for the rest of Frank's post:
> JOB WELL DONE WYATT!
> YOU AND ERIC (ON4HF) DESERVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE!
Now this I will agree with 100%. Great job by Wyatt for working
ON4HF yesterday morning! Later in the day, I worked AC0RA
just after working K4FEG out in the desert on my way home,
adding a new grid to his satellite log. Wyatt was very busy
yesterday. :-)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:33:35 +0100
From: Peter Guelzow <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities?
Message-ID: <4F25C93F.4040109@xxxxxx.xx>
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On 28.01.2012 01:34, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Back to P3E. I like David's idea. I'd like even more to hear something
similar from Peter or Hartmut. I've donated to P3E in the past, and voted as
a BOD member to help fund their lab out of the -NA reserves several years
ago. I love the project, but until I hear a little more positive about
what's currently going on over there, my money will continue to go to
Kiwisat, FunCube, and first and foremost, Fox. I am the proud sponsor of a
solar cell on Fox, and hope to be able to do more this year.
>
> Have you heard we find out if we (AMSAT-NA and Fox) get one of the NASA
launches on Monday?
Hi Drew et all,
indeed all money donated to the P3-E project goes into the P3-E project
and we are grateful for all those direct contributions and support in
particular from many individual AMSAT-NA members and indeed many other
hams from around the world. Due to ITAR, unfortunatly AMSAT-NA had to
stop all it's official support (including money, which hurts) for P3-E
several years ago, as you wrote.. For example, we had to re-build and
continue the IHU hardware and software development on our own resources.
The same for the original SDX development, etc. The S/C is still
sitting in our clean room in Marburg and waiting to be finalized. Having
no firm launch date yet, activities slowed down in some areas, while
other activities and groups are highly active and well alive. The
biggest problem is indeed having no firm launch date yet.. this is
frustration for everyone involved. We all put so much volunteer work and
time into it...
When I read "Forget P3-E, build an MEO" (that's how I read it first) I
was indeed very concerned.. should we really forget all the hard work,
time and money which already went into the project and scrap it??? And
what than? No - I'm not giving up...
OK, reading the second time I understood that Dave meant we should put
P3-E on VEGA and use it's propulsion to go to MEO...
Unfortunately things are not so easy.. P3-E was designed to go from GTO
into HEO. For example, all the magnetic attitude control won't work in
MEO anymore, etc.. Thus we were looking for GTO, but would it fit on
VEGA? Indeed, we could try an elliptical orbit with a much lower
apogee, but than we have to carefully study the effects of orbit
resonances which caused AO-13 to burn-up too soon. However, I do
sympathize with the idea and we thought about it in the past, but
discarded the idea for reasons I have almost forgotten now. So,
perhaps we should look again at it.. do some orbit and fuel
calculation, study orbit perturbations and orbit stability again and see
what the impact will be on the S/C design. Any volunteers for that?
As Nitin wrote, we contacted AMSAT-India to help with contacts to
ISRO, we are in contact with SpaceX and I recently had a personal
letter exchange with the CEO of Arianespace. If a launch possibility
arises, we will be on it. It is not always a matter of money, but also
a matter of compatibility to slip in. Ariane-5 for example is a real
workhorse now with standard launch configurations. Any change on that
costs them a lot of money. If there is an "unusual" configuration were
they have to ask industry for a configuration change, than it might also
be easier for us to slip in..
That simply means we have to wait for the right moment or finding new
qualification flight.. Ariane 5ME is such opportunity we are actively
working on, but this will not be before 2018.
In the last several month our work and priority was mostly focused
regarding our funding situation and to improve it. Although most people
still did not understand it, but the P5-A project is one these
opportunity we need. It is well alive and currently heavily discussed
within the highest ranks inside of our government organizations. Apart
from this, we are currently working on another project to fly an hosted
payload on a GEO satellite... A decision is not made yet, but if we get
the opportunity it will provide some neat communication capabilities.
Our previous heritage and P5 will help here too..
I'm currently having some serious family matters to take care off, so
please be patient if I do not reply quickly..
73s Peter DB2OS
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:23:48 +1300
From: "Fred Kennedy" <fredk@xxxxx.xxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Release spin rate query.
Message-ID: <4F25D504.25330.1150125@xxxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Guys,
Recall a post a week or so back re a satellite released from
its launch adaptor with a spin rate
of in excess of 30rpm! (36rpm?) Can anyone point me to that again, please.
Didn't pay much attention to it at the time as was a) busy on other
aspects and b) it was not a LV that
we are looking at using for KiwiSAT anyway.
Haven't seen any follow-up on it and, on reflection, would like another
look at it for what we may
learn/consider.
Thanks
Fred Kennedy
ZL1BYP.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:44:56 -0600
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [aprssig] RK3KKPK? (CONNECTED Igates?)
Message-ID: <CDC3C9712D9940AC9B6DB3958B002682@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Got this from the IGate manager. Thanks to all who provided the pieces and
clues needed so track this down.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
==============================
Subject: Re: I-Gate
I see what happened. RK3KPK is a BBGATE user who frequently
telnets or netroms
into BBGATE. He's a curious follow who stumbled across the gateways
RF port servicing the APRS packets on 144.390. That port has not,
yet, been restricted. So, when
rk3kpk checked the heard list on the por on
that port to connect with INDIO or any other station listed on the
APRS port heard list.
Good catch guys.
73, Jack
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:57:43 -0500
From: "George and Cheryl Abbott" <ka1ajf@xxx.xxx>
To: "Peter Guelzow" <peter.guelzow@xxxxxx.xx>, "Andrew Glasbrenner"
<glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities?
Message-ID: <9E770E478C0E48E5BFED817CED38E35D@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Is the P3-E satellite actually ready and available to be matched up to a
rocket for launch into a high elliptical space orbit?
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Guelzow
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:33 PM
To: Andrew Glasbrenner
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities?
On 28.01.2012 01:34, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Back to P3E. I like David's idea. I'd like even more to hear something
> similar from Peter or Hartmut. I've donated to P3E in the past, and voted
> as a BOD member to help fund their lab out of the -NA reserves several
> years ago. I love the project, but until I hear a little more positive
> about what's currently going on over there, my money will continue to go
> to Kiwisat, FunCube, and first and foremost, Fox. I am the proud sponsor
> of a solar cell on Fox, and hope to be able to do more this year.
>
> Have you heard we find out if we (AMSAT-NA and Fox) get one of the NASA
> launches on Monday?
Hi Drew et all,
indeed all money donated to the P3-E project goes into the P3-E project
and we are grateful for all those direct contributions and support in
particular from many individual AMSAT-NA members and indeed many other
hams from around the world. Due to ITAR, unfortunatly AMSAT-NA had to
stop all it's official support (including money, which hurts) for P3-E
several years ago, as you wrote.. For example, we had to re-build and
continue the IHU hardware and software development on our own resources.
The same for the original SDX development, etc. The S/C is still
sitting in our clean room in Marburg and waiting to be finalized. Having
no firm launch date yet, activities slowed down in some areas, while
other activities and groups are highly active and well alive. The
biggest problem is indeed having no firm launch date yet.. this is
frustration for everyone involved. We all put so much volunteer work and
time into it...
When I read "Forget P3-E, build an MEO" (that's how I read it first) I
was indeed very concerned.. should we really forget all the hard work,
time and money which already went into the project and scrap it??? And
what than? No - I'm not giving up...
OK, reading the second time I understood that Dave meant we should put
e effects of orbit
resonances which caused AO-13 to burn-up too soon. However, I do
sympathize with the idea and we thought about it in the past, but
discarded the idea for reasons I have almost forgotten now. So,
perhaps we should look again at it.. do some orbit and fuel
calculation, study orbit perturbations and orbit stability again and see
what the impact will be on the S/C design. Any volunteers for that?
As Nitin wrote, we contacted AMSAT-India to help with contacts to
ISRO, we are in contact with SpaceX and I recently had a personal
letter exchange with the CEO of Arianespace. If a launch possibility
arises, we will be on it. It is not always a matter of money, but also
a matter of compatibility to slip in. Ariane-5 for example is a real
workhorse now with standard launch configurations. Any change on that
costs them a lot of money. If there is an "unusual" configuration were
they have to ask industry for a configuration change, than it might also
be easier for us to slip in..
That simply means we have to wait for the right moment or finding new
qualification flight.. Ariane 5ME is such opportunity we are actively
working on, but this will not be before 2018.
In the last several month our work and priority was mostly focused
regarding our funding situation and to improve it. Although most people
still did not understand it, but the P5-A project is one these
opportunity we need. It is well alive and currently heavily discussed
within the highest ranks inside of our government organizations. Apart
from this, we are currently working on another project to fly an hosted
payload on a GEO satellite... A decision is not made yet, but if we get
the opportunity it will provide some neat communication capabilities.
Our previous heritage and P5 will help here too..
I'm currently having some serious family matters to take care off, so
please be patient if I do not reply quickly..
73s Peter DB2OS
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:22:38 -0400
From: Bob Herrell <bob72601@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HI4/AJ5C report for Sunday Jan 29, 2012
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Good contacts on AO-27 at 1756z pass with XE3ISS, WA8SME, N1AIA, N2BX,
KE3LB, AA5PK and N1RCN. I appreciate the contacts guys as difficult as it
was today.
73 de Bob HI4/AJ5C for a few more days.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:39:04 -0700
From: "Pate attendees
> were inquisitive and we shared a bunch of information.
The later pass wasn't in range of K8YSE to record, but AA5PK
posted on the KD5QGR status page that it was on.
After the second AO-27 pass, I tried working FO-29 from the
parking lot. This was around 2211 UTC, and the satellite was up
to a maximum elevation of 39 degrees to the east. Even with
the mountains in that direction and around the southern end of
the hamfest site, I should have heard this satellite. I never heard
a thing during that pass.
I saw a couple of guys doing an ATV demonstration walking
around the hamfest - someone with a camera, and another
person with a portable LCD TV watching the video. Since there
was no converter being used with that TV, I figured it was using
one of the 70cm ATV channels that can be picked up with a
cable-ready analog cable tuner. If that ATV transmitter was on
434 MHz and close to the demonstration, could that have wiped
out the 435-438 MHz satellite subband? ("Close" as in no more
than 10 to 20 yards away) I'm not saying this was intentional, but
seeing what happened has had me thinking about it for the past
day or so.
> SO-50 "bailed me out" for the day with two wonderful passes
> to close the show. The last one was actually about a half-hour
> after the 'fest officially ended - but there were plenty of stragglers
> and vendors left to come over and watch working SO-50. We
> worked Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Ontario (CA), and even worked
> Patrick - who had left earlier, but stopped alongside the road to
> work us.
I've heard from a couple of people that there has been a KD5WEK
working SO-50 passes this weekend from Texas. His name is not
Patrick.
It pays to listen carefully when you hear certain calls.... did you
work WD9EWK or KD5WEK? These two calls should be a little
easier to separate than some other pairs of calls. For example,
KO4MA or K4MOA? N8MS or N8MH? NX9B or NX9G? All of
these calls are of satellite operators, who have been on at least
occasionally in recent times. (Thanks to Clayton W5PFG for
pointing this out to me)
After I left Palm Springs, I didn't stop until I made it to a spot
25 miles north of Quartzsite AZ on the DM23/DM24 grid boundary
in time for a VO-52 pass at 0225 UTC. I was hurrying to make that
2 1/2-hour drive without trying to set new land speed records in my
truck. :-) After that pass, I still had almost 3 more hours before I
made it back home, including another fuel/food stop back in
Quartzsite.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:01:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Palm Springs Hamfest, Exploding Eggs, and
SO-50
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>cable-ready analog cable tuner. If that ATV transmitter was on
>434 MHz and close to the demonstration, could that have wiped
>out the 435-438 MHz satellite subband?
Yes! Almost every year at the Orlando Hamfest, one of the Red Cross vans is
running ATV all day, and it destroys the satellite band. They will usually
turn it off if I ask, since it isn't ever being actually used for something.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:43:57 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Palm Springs Hamfest, Exploding Eggs, and
SO-50
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Hi Drew!
>>cable-ready analog cable tuner. ?If that ATV transmitter was on
>>434 MHz and close to the demonstration, could that have wiped
>>out the 435-438 MHz satellite subband?
>
> Yes! Almost every year at the Orlando Hamfest, one of the Red
> Cross vans is running ATV all day, and it destroys the satellite
> band. They will usually turn it off if I ask, since it isn't ever being
> actually used for something.
Thanks for that. I saw some posts in the -BB archives about the
issues with 434 MH
that I can afford the time and $$$ to visit many out-of-state
hamfests)
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:59:54 +0530 (IST)
From: Nitin Muttin <vu3tyg@xxxxx.xx.xx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Phase 3 Express Launch Opportunities
Message-ID:
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Hello Peter,
?
I understand the current situation and and do not think that there should be
any change in the direction of the P3E project keeping into mind the time
and money spent by AMSAT DL on this project, we have sent you the list of
contacts in ISRO some months back and?AMSAT India can?initiate?talks with
ISRO on the same, we can?discuss this?offline, feel free to ping me when free.
?
73
Nitin [VU3TYG]
Secretary,AMSAT INDIA
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:31:14 -0000
From: "Bato, Andras" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hats off to Russian satellite operators!
Message-ID: <20120130163020.5122993ED7@xxxx.xxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Gentlemen,
All CW tests were eliminated in the US in 2007. There is no Morse Code (CW)
requirement any more.
Of course there's a possibility to learn Morse code which can be learned
during a single week but reality says most choose not to do CW any more.
What a pity!
Please do everyone everything to bring back telegraphers who would use less
bandwidth on satellites then SSB!
To eliminate CW int he exams was a big mistake and the outcome can be heard
on VO-52 when SSB operators simply can not recognise Morse code.
May I ask all those who has never heard morse signals to tunu a bit down or
higher in case he/she hears unidendified signals int he satellite bands?!
VO-52 is overcrowded which shows the interest in satellite operations.
I do hope AMSAT-DL will pass along P3E -which is said to be ready to start
for many years- to start from India!
Anyway, there are fortunately satellite ops in Russia who use CW and do not
keep shouting on the back of CW stations!
gl de ha6nn
Andras
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:27:54 -0800
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] CW
Message-ID: <COL107-W421CC7FEF57809E779A5FF838D0@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have interest in CW and hope that others will also, I tried using Mix-W
and basicly got shunned so now I am learning. What a nice mode, that goes so
far with minimal power!!!
Kevin
KF7MYK
> From: bato@xxxxxxx.xx
> To: amrequirement any more.
>
>
>
> Of course there's a possibility to learn Morse code which can be learned
> during a single week but reality says most choose not to do CW any more.
> What a pity!
>
>
>
> Please do everyone everything to bring back telegraphers who would use less
> bandwidth on satellites then SSB!
>
>
>
> To eliminate CW int he exams was a big mistake and the outcome can be heard
> on VO-52 when SSB operators simply can not recognise Morse code.
>
>
>
> May I ask all those who has never heard morse signals to tunu a bit down or
> higher in case he/she hears unidendified signals int he satellite bands?!
>
>
>
> VO-52 is overcrowded which shows the interest in satellite operations.
>
>
>
> I do hope AMSAT-DL will pass along P3E -which is said to be ready to start
> for many years- to start from India!
>
>
>
> Anyway, there are fortunately satellite ops in Russia who use CW and do not
> keep shouting on the back of CW stations!
>
>
>
> gl de ha6nn
>
> Andras
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:34:18 +0100
From: Andre <sats@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hats off to Russian satellite operators!
Message-ID: <4F26D49A.8020702@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Op 30-1-2012 17:31, Bato, Andras schreef:
> Gentlemen,
>
>
>
> All CW tests were eliminated in the US in 2007. There is no Morse Code (CW)
> requirement any more.
>
>
>
> Of course there's a possibility to learn Morse code which can be learned
> during a single week but reality says most choose not to do CW any more.
> What a pity!
>
>
We went no code a long time ago in the Netherlands and there are still
plenty of people learning it and even more who use it even if they can
not decode it by ear, unless it is a real sloppy fist soundcard CW
decoders can handle it just fine.
>
> Please do everyone everything to bring back telegraphers who would use less
> bandwidth on satellites then SSB!
>
>
>
> To eliminate CW int he exams was a big mistake and the outcome can be heard
> on VO-52 when SSB operators simply can not recognise Morse code.
>
>
I think it has more to do with VO-52 being an easy liniar bird atracting
newcommers to liniar satelites then with nocode opperators, a lot of
them struggle to keep themselfs inside the passband and not lose their
own downlink, also steering clear of week CW signals just adds to their
workload.
>
> May I ask all those who has never heard morse signals to tunu a bit down or
> higher in case he/she hears unidendified signals int he satellite bands?!
>
>
I doubt there are hams who never heard morse signals, all repeaters use
them to identify
>
> VO-52 is overcrowded which shows the interest in satellite operations.
>
>
crowd behavior I'm afriad, the simpler the satellite is to work the more
hams discover it, tell their friends who add to the growing crowd, this
in turn atracks other hams who hardly use satellites because they are
underused and the bandpass fills, still a lot better then satellites
that nobody uses.
>
> I do hope AMSAT-DL will pass along P3E -which is said to be ready to start
> for many years- to start from India!
>
>
>
> Anyway, there are fortunately satellite ops in Russia who use CW and do not
> keep shouting on the back of CW stations!
>
>
probably because it is less crowded in Russia, it is not the mode that
makes the ham, it's the hamspirit, something plenty CW only opperators
lack by refusing the work station using machine generated morse code.
>
> gl de ha6nn
>
> Andras
>
>
73 Andre PE1RDW
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:39:10 +0100
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs@xxx.xx>
To: "Bato, Andras" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>, "Amsat - BBs"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Hats off to Russian satellite operators!
Message-ID: <000701ccdf7e$75bdd430$0401a8c0@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Bato,Andras HA6NN
I agree completely with you.
Please look at here !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=RYhrSEERvbI
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bato, Andras" <bato@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hats off to Russian satellite operators!
> Gentlemen,
>
> All CW tests were eliminated in the US in 2007. There is no Morse Code
> (CW) requirement any more.
>
> Of course there's a possibility to learn Morse code which can be learned
> during a single week but reality says most choose not to do CW any more.
> What a pity!
>
> Please do everyone everything to bring back telegraphers who would use
> less bandwidth on satellites then SSB!
>
> To eliminate CW int he exams was a big mistake and the outcome can be
> heard on VO-52 when SSB operators simply can not recognise Morse code.
>
> May I ask all those who has never heard morse signals to tunu a bit down
> or higher in case he/she hears unidendified signals int he satellite
> bands?!
>
> VO-52 is overcrowded which shows the interest in satellite operations.
>
> I do hope AMSAT-DL will pass along P3E -which is said to be ready to start
> for many years- to start from India!
>
> Anyway, there are fortunately satellite ops in Russia who use CW and do
> not keep shouting on the back of CW stations!
>
> gl de ha6nn
>
> Andras
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