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Today's Topics:
1. The cubesat Debate (John Heath)
2. Re: moderated list (jeff kb2m)
3. Next SpaceX Flight February 7, 2012 (Clint Bradford)
4. Re: moderated list (Kevin Deane)
5. Re: moderated list (Bob Bruninga)
6. Unofficial forum - amsat.forumer.com (AL4S - Rich)
7. SpaceX WF9XGI Part 5 application (Tarsala, Jan A (337C))
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:20:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: John Heath <g7hia@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] The cubesat Debate
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Hi Gents,
?
A couple of years ago I was privilaged to work with university students on a
cubesat project. They were mostly space science and engineering students of
very high calibre indeed. It was a pure delight to be in the company of such
focussed and inteligent youngsters. They had no interest in grid squares and
DX type ham radio, but they did want to know how to get their command
signals up to the space craft and how to get their data down.
Whatever your views about cubesats, if you get an opportunity to work with a
cubesat group go for it. Its a blast.
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73 John G7HIA
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:34:28 -0500
From: "jeff kb2m" <kb2m@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Bruce'" <kk5do@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
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I like the list the way it is. When someone starts a negative thread they
usually end up making an ass out of themselves, and then go away. In these
lean times this un moderated list is a good test of sat op character :-)
73 Jeff kb2m
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From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Bruce
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:41 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
Having been a member of the list since the early 90's, I have seen my share
of
the same name calling, finger pointing etc. When AO-40 ceased operations,
there
was finger pointing as to who was responsible for what and who did what.
This
went on for weeks and weeks. There have been many more instances of this.
We have always had problems with let's say one person being negative and
starting a flame thread going. What makes this list unique is that it is not
moderated and everyone can voice their opinion.
How would you feel if you posted a message to the list and you used a word
in it
that the moderator felt was not appropriate for the list and your message
was
bounced? It puts a tremendous amount of work and responsibility on the
moderator. He cannot do it alone so you will have multiple moderators. Now,
you
have several people all of which will be interpreting the rules a different
way.
We see this in the court room on a daily basis. One guy robs a bank and gets
5
years another does it and gets 2. One is caught DWI and gets probation
another
gets 2 years. This is how our messages will be interpreted and this is
probably
worse than us being able to filter what we want when we want.
When a thread does not meet my standards, I filter the thread to the junk
bin
and if there is someone that is continuously wreaking havoc, I filter them
out.
I have total control of what I read and see. And, as some have done over the
years including board members, unsubscribe. These are all choices that are
available to you and none of them needs or requires a list moderator.
73...bruce
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From: "normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxxx <normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Fri, December 9, 2011 3:33:44 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] moderated list
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:51:04 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Next SpaceX Flight February 7, 2012
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NASA ANNOUNCES LAUNCH DATE AND MILESTONES FOR SPACEX FLIGHT
WASHINGTON -- NASA has announced the launch target for Space
Exploration Technologies' (SpaceX) second Commercial Orbital
Transportation Services (COTS) demonstration flight will be Feb. 7,
2012. Pending completion of final safety reviews, testing and
verification, NASA also has agreed to allow SpaceX to send its Dragon
spacecraft to rendezvous with the International Space Station (ISS)
in a single flight.
"SpaceX has made incredible progress over the last several months
preparing Dragon for its mission to the space station," said William
Gerstenmaier, NASA's associate administrator for the Human
Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate. "We look forward to a
successful mission, which will open up a new era in commercial cargo
delivery for this international orbiting laboratory."
Gerstenmaier said, "There is still a significant amount of critical
work to be completed before launch, but the teams have a sound plan
to complete it and are prepared for unexpected challenges. As with
all launches, we will adjust the launch date as needed to gain
sufficient understanding of test and analysis results to ensure
safety and mission success."
During the flight, Dragon will conduct a series of check-out
procedures that will test and prove its systems in advance of the
rendezvous with the station. The primary objectives for the flight
include a fly-by of the space station at a distance of approximately
two miles to validate the operation of sensors and flight systems
necessary for a safe rendezvous and approach. The spacecraft also
will demonstrate the capability to abort the rendezvous, if required.
Dragon will perform the final approach to the ISS while the station
crew grapples the vehicle with the station's robotic arm. The capsule
will be berthed to the Earth-facing side of the Harmony node. At the
end of the mission, the crew will reverse the process, detaching
Dragon from the station for its return to Earth and splashdown in the
Pacific off the coast of California. If the rendezvous and attachment
to the station are not successful, SpaceX will complete a third
demonstration flight in order to achieve these objectives as
originally planned.
"SpaceX is on the forefront of demonstrating how a partnership between
the government and private industry can lead to new capabilities and
provide a large return on investment," said Alan Lindenmoyer, program
manager for COTS at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston.
"SpaceX is excited to be the first commercial company in history to
berth with the International Space Station. This mission will mark a
historic milestone in the future of spaceflight," said SpaceX
President Gwynne Shotwell. "We appreciate NASA's continued support
and their partnership in this process."
Begun in 2006, NASA's COTS program is investing financial and
technical resources to stimulate efforts within the private sector to
develop and demonstrate safe, reliable and cost-effective space
transportation capabilities. In a multiphase strategy, the program is
spurring the innovation and development of new spacecraft and launch
vehicles from commercial industry, creating a new system of
delivering cargo to low-Earth orbit and the International Space
Station.
Through Space Act Agreements, SpaceX will receive up to $396 million
and Orbital Sciences Corporation, NASA's other COTS partner, will
receive up to $288 million for the successful completion of all
milestones in the agreements. To date, SpaceX has received $376
million for completing 36 out of 40 milestones and Orbital has
received $261.5 million for completing 23 out of 29 milestones.
For more information on COTS, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/cots
For more information on the International Space Station, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/station
For more information on SpaceX or the Dragon spacecraft, visit:
http://www.spacex.com
-end-
Clint Bradford
clintbradford@xxx.xxx
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:22:37 -0800
From: Kevin Deane <summit496@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
Message-ID: <COL107-W294F03DD95357A1D66A0B383B90@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:33:44 -0500
> From: normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxx
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] moderated list
>
> Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Self moderation should be good, like not posting other peoples "personal"
emails, politics, religion, things of that nature that we also try to keep
off the air should be also kept off here.
Anyone wants to talk about it please feel free to send me a "personal" email
and I am sure we can exchange our opinions.
Kevin
KF7MYK
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:36:04 -0500
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
Message-ID: <0a8501ccb6a1$683a8fc0$38afaf40$@xxx>
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> Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Not really... it only hides the truth. Unfortunately it reveals what and
who we have to work around.
In any voluntary endeavor such as ham radio, those that can contribute
something positive do (not just snide comments) or are quiet and get out of
the way so that others with the time, energy, or skills, or position can
actually make progress in some positive direction can move forward despite
all of these monkeys hanging on their backs and bitting at their ankles.
Nothing beneficial EVER comes from BS, Opinions, snide remarks, or
complaining against what OTHERS are doing. They are the ones doing
something, these BS arm-chair complainers just get in the way.
Email is a necessary evil so that those that are moving forward can
communicate and spread the word.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:36:27 -0900
From: AL4S - Rich <riotqontrol@xxxxx.xxx>
To: normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Unofficial forum - amsat.forumer.com
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I started this last month seeing if it got any traction via Google+. Since
it has not I will advertise it here.
I personally prefer forums to email lists but to each his own. Please join
in if you are interested.
Sign up at amsat.forumer.com. Play nice in the sandbox.
/Quote
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From: <normn3ykf@xxxx.xx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 4:33:44 -0500
Subject: [amsat-bb] moderated list
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
/Unquote
Rich Gillin - *AL4S
*907.884.1404
skype/ooVoo: rich.gillin
msn: richgillin@xxxxxxx.xxx
G+: +AL4S
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:49:58 -0800
From: "Tarsala, Jan A (337C)" <jan.a.tarsala@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX WF9XGI Part 5 application
Message-ID: <CB07A666.A9EC%jan.a.tarsala@xxx.xxxx.xxx>
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https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_
seq=49678&RequestTimeout=1000
Jan
WB6VRN
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